They are staging a "lie down" protest supposedly in honor of the 32 VT victims, as if somehow closing the gun show loophole and renewing the AWB would have stopped Cho and is a good way to honor those who died. (nevermind that he bought his guns from a gun store and passed the background check). I sent a friendly email asking for the time and they said it would be posted on the website as soon as it was finalized.
Their protest is at Fairfax Corner which is a large outdoor shopping/movie/restaurant center off Monument Drive just to the south of Fair Oaks Mall on the other side of 66. (very near the NRA HQ, ironically)
I am planning to attend with a large "guns save lives" sign. I believe they are public streets and therefore I could not be asked to leave so long as I am acting peacefully.
If anybody would like to join me that would be great. Please either post here or email me at benminer AT yahoo DOT com and I would be happy to coordinate.
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November 6, 2007, 08:18 AM
I'll try to attend.
But I need to know if Fairfax County has any ordinances against looming http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/5356.html :evil:
Local newsrag accuses me of "looming" :what:
last few pages have video of the alleged "loomimg" please be kind to me :neener:
I'd hate to get busted for what I thought was exercising my 1A rights only to find out my method was contrary to local law.
November 6, 2007, 08:46 AM
Looming? Appearing larger than you really are? I've been doing a lot of that lately; ate way too much leftover halloween candy...
November 6, 2007, 09:07 AM
zxcvbob - see this re: "looming"
Video collage has been uploaded to Youtube and available here:
Of note: All the press flocked to PVC to interview him, and completely ignored the protest speakers until they started lying on the ground! Hahahahaha! It's hard to conduct interviews while on your back playing dead.
The only confrontation I saw during the lay-down was one of the MMM's told me I could not stand at the end of their line, and said I was trespassing. I assured her that I would move to make room for any of their group who wanted to lay down where I was, and that seemed to cut her off before she could take it any further.
That is on the above video at the 6:10 mark.
November 6, 2007, 10:20 AM
Hehehe... Just E-mailed Philip Van Cleave with this information. :D
I will definitely be there!
November 6, 2007, 12:22 PM
Crud! I'm flying into DCA on the day of the protest but I don't arrive until 4pm or so. :( Looks like I won't be able to make it. But if you guys are doing an after-party.... :D
Sometimes these company trips work out, sometimes they don't.
November 6, 2007, 01:15 PM
I'll be there if I can...if nothing else just to see what will happen and maybe get on one of these fancy youtube videos :D
Is this the kind of event we shouldn't OC at? Just curious, as I've never been to one of these "counter protests" before so I don't know the "rules" for us :)
November 6, 2007, 01:27 PM
If I can get there my sign will say
"My gun IS under control, now let's discuss the CRIMINALS"
November 6, 2007, 01:32 PM
I'm thinking of sending this to the people of that site:
I was wondering how you came to the conclusion that Cho Sung Hui was able to kill more people so quickly because he used 15 round magazines instead of 10 round magazines in his 9mm? 32 people died that day, which is more than what a 15 round magazine would have allowed. Though he used a second .22 handgun that had a 10 round magazine, how would it been any different if he had been limited to 10 rounds in the 9mm? I don't believe it would have ended any differently. I'm not saying that having an armed student or faculty member would have prevented this tragedy, but it MAY have ended the shooter's rampage earlier than it did. We will never know if it would have made a difference, but we all sure do know how well the complete ban on firearms at Virginia Tech worked that day.
My brother who is a VT student knew one of the victims that day.
The second issue I'd like to point out is the so-called "gun show loophole" that everyone talks about. It does not exist. Licensed dealers who attend and sell guns at a gun show must still complete the NICS and any local background checks when selling to an individual. I think the confusion over this matter is the private transactions which take place. I'm talking about if one private person sells to another private person. No background check is required for this, not only at a gun show but anywhere else in the state at any time, unless the state has further restrictions. There is no such thing as an "unlicensed dealer" because in order for someone to be considered a 'dealer' they must have a Federal Firearms License (FFL). Private persons selling guns at a gun show is no different than a person selling a gun to someone at their kitchen table or a friend at work.
I strongly disagree with your tactic of using the Virginia Tech tragedy to further your cause for gun control.
xxxxxx xxxxxxxx, George Mason University undergrad
November 6, 2007, 01:43 PM
Personally, I won't be Open Carrying at this event. I encourage others to not Open Carry as well. That's going to draw too much negative publicity. When counter-protesting, it's necessary to be polite, and refute their idiocy with logic. You will win fans this way, and encourage fence-sitters to actually think about the topic.
November 6, 2007, 01:48 PM
I'd love to be there with a simple sign showing fish in a barrel - with the fish labled 'students' and the barrel labled 'VT'. Under this just one word
November 6, 2007, 01:51 PM
When counter-protesting, it's necessary to be polite, and refute their idiocy with logic. You will win fans this way, and encourage fence-sitters to actually think about the topic.
And the other side of the coin is that open carrying in a peaceable manner is a more blatent demonstration that inanimate guns are not bad.
Or is it that it takes strong-willed folks to control those inherently rowdy guns?:neener:
It's really not about open vs. concealed carry at events like this. It's about presenting a clear message that MMM/Brady ideas will not protect anybody from a determined killer.
November 6, 2007, 01:54 PM
Thanks for the advice guys. I don't know if I'll OC or not...depends on if I can get a decent leather holster before the day comes :D
(not likely ;) )
November 6, 2007, 01:57 PM
Crud! I'm flying into DCA on the day of the protest but I don't arrive until 4pm or so. Looks like I won't be able to make it. But if you guys are doing an after-party....
Sometimes these company trips work out, sometimes they don't.
Hmm ... wonder what the folks getting off the planes would think of seeing some guy with an open-carried gun standing out in the pick-up area holding a sign for "Mr. Kaceridas"?
Might be a reason to have an after-party all by itself.
November 6, 2007, 02:21 PM
VAGUNINFO.COM has a new high definition camera which will be employed at the event. Stay tuned, I will post a link (on this thread) after the MMM lie-in where you can view the footage online in "near HD" quality or download the original HD source file (720p Windows Media Player file) to your computer. For an example of the quality head to the link below for a sample video I uploaded this weekend, or you can download the HD source file to your PC for a better viewing experience.
Skidmark, are you ready for people to see you in HD? :)
Also, we need to be thinking about breaking out our "arts and crafts" tools for some better, more effective signage.
November 6, 2007, 02:54 PM
Ummmm... maybe we need to call on Oleg
November 6, 2007, 03:13 PM
Marylanders - Don't forget that VCDL members have come up here to help us out too. I've met vcdl members at legislative hearings and at the protest outside of Realco Guns a few weeks ago.
VCDL has their S___t together and we might learn a thing or two from them.
November 6, 2007, 03:56 PM
just in case anyone cares, I post on OCDO under the name "nova" :)
November 6, 2007, 04:01 PM
If I wanted to join the VCDL, would it be better to do it online via paypal (I don't have an account there) or do it through the mail?
November 6, 2007, 05:33 PM
Open Carrying or not at this event is up to you. I simply choose not to.
November 6, 2007, 05:34 PM
Here you are.
We'd love to have you. If you like, stop by our table at the Chantilly Gun Show. I will be setting it up on Friday and can help answer any questions.
November 6, 2007, 06:13 PM
so I can join at the show? I'll do that if I can make it there then :)
Too bad you guys couldn't make it to the past few Dale city shows...the first time I've gone to those ones....but I love the bigness of the chantilly show...it's such a nice experiece even if I don't walk out with a gun (though every time I've gone to the chantilly show I've walked out with at least one gun and a few thousand rounds of ammo :D )
We haven't had the volunteers necessary to man the show at Dale City. Stop on by the booth and we can sign you up right there!
Just ask for TJ (that's me).
November 6, 2007, 08:50 PM
I'm glad to see there is some interest in this. According to their website it's at 3 PM. I know I'll be there. I've personally always been a fan of "GUN CONTROL IS PEOPLE CONTROL" as a protest sign.
November 6, 2007, 09:38 PM
We haven't had the volunteers necessary to man the show at Dale City. Stop on by the booth and we can sign you up right there!
Just ask for TJ (that's me).Cool. If I can make it to the show I'll stop by! :)
November 7, 2007, 09:59 AM
I'll plan on being there - and for once, I wish this wasn't on a weekend, since I work right next door!
Anyone know if there's VCDL support yet? I assume things have been really busy with the elections, and we might get an e-mail soon?
benminer, if you're running the show, what's your take on OC?
November 7, 2007, 10:11 AM
I sent it on to Philip, and got a reply from one of the Executive Members. It looks like something is being planned, but the focus was on the elections.
novaDAK, Looking forward to it. I am working the show on Friday afternoon, I won't be around on Saturday, and I might be there on Sunday to help close up.
November 7, 2007, 10:13 AM
I sent an email to Mr. Van Cleave and his response was that he would get back to me. While it's likely that a lot of us are VCDL members I want to be clear that I am not trying to make this out to be a VCDL event unless authorized as such. I am merely representing myself as a law-abiding gun owner concered about the passage of useless knee jerk gun laws.
As far as OC goes, I will likely not because I just bought a snappy 5.11 vest but I have no issue with others if they want to. (not that my opinion really should matter one way or the others as far as what others decide to do)
November 7, 2007, 10:25 AM
Works for me too, I figure it doesn't have to be "VCDL" centric. Hell, we are activists in our own right.
I am going to price out getting this graphic printed up as a sign:
(With Oleg's permission of course. I will PM him).
November 7, 2007, 10:32 AM
The "OC question": It is a personal decision to OC or CC. If you want to OC, do it, nobody will think anything about it. If you want to CC, same deal. At the last MMM lie-in in Richmond several of us OC'd... C'mon folks, it's not that big of a deal. It's a personal choice and VCDL is not going to tell you one way or the other how you should conduct your affairs concerning carry style.
The "VCDL question": I'm sure VCDL will put out a notice of this event; standing up for gun rights is what VCDL does.. just give it some time to get planned out by the leadership. The elections were the primary focus these last few days so I'm sure we will be hearing more about the MMM lie-in shortly. But, to be fair... we Virginians do not need to be led by the hand if we want to be activists or protest. That's what makes VCDL and especially the NoVA contingent so great. Our networking system is strong, and based on the content of this thread and the one on opencarry.org it's safe to assume there will be more than enough gun activists present w/o VCDL even lifting a finger or putting out an alert.
November 7, 2007, 10:54 AM
Funny thing about MMM and other anti's.
If they are SO CERTAIN that guns (and gun owners) are evil and out of control then why do they stick around when the open-carry people show up?
You'd think they'd flee the area in a panic, desperately searching for a cop to protect them, but they don't. In fact they often get indignant and sometimes quite aggressive.
Wow, aggressive towards someone doing open carry, someone who is OBVIOUSLY armed. I thought they believed that such a person would just "open fire" at the slightest provocation and yet the MMM types will stand there and try to "push buttons".
Can it be that they don't really believe that armed people are actually enough of a danger that they should leave? Hrmmmm, a definite glitch in logic there.
November 7, 2007, 06:16 PM
I didn't really mean anything by anything -
-In my experience OC is a sore subject with some CC proponents. Not looking to open that debate, just testing the waters to see who's who here. I've never picketed anything before, but I'm pretty sure the object is not to offend your fellow picketers' sensibilities.
-I also don't think we should be spoonfed by the VCDL. There are two reasons I asked - one, the e-mail updates are great resource which should be used, and two, it seems like every time something like this goes on, they send notice about 30 hours before the event and I can't plan around it. This one I can plan for, I know they know about it, and if we don't get an e-mail soon I'm going to mention to them that better advance warning = better attendance.
-ZeSpectre: that's actually a fantastic point. I hope I get to use it.
November 7, 2007, 11:43 PM
It would be great if this could go in the VCDL email alert but but if not then it's not the end of the world. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Van Cleave and all he has done, which is why I said that I do not mean to represent this counter-protest as an VCDL event unless the VCDL leadership endorses it as such. We all have the power to make our voices heard which is what I hope is accomplished by everybody who shows up on the 24th.
chris in va
November 8, 2007, 12:43 PM
Go for it guys. Stand up to them. I'd come out but a) I'm in Winchester and b) my nature is non-confrontational.
November 8, 2007, 12:56 PM
I'm going to try to make it out but only to see what's going on. And for backup if the SHTF :eek::evil::D:scrutiny:;)
chris in va
November 8, 2007, 02:34 PM
BTW guys, I just had an epiphany. Maybe you could capitalize on the fact they're lying down.
Example: 'Go ahead and lie down, that's what Cho wanted'
You all could probably come up with a better sign slogan, but that's what comes to mind.
November 8, 2007, 02:36 PM
"defenseless victims lie down and wait to be executed"
November 8, 2007, 06:05 PM
Large sign - 2 sheets of posterboard
This is what you get
when you deny students
the only EFFECTIVE means
of self-defense against
with large diagonal arrow pointing down towards liars-in. Mounted on an 8-ft long pole with 2 cross-braces.
November 8, 2007, 06:57 PM
that'll get attention :)
November 9, 2007, 10:35 AM
I will DEF be there. I saw their website and got flaming pissed off within seconds. I like skidmark's idea for the poster board!
November 9, 2007, 10:43 AM
I've been trying to figure out how to work the whole "you're turning us all into victims" angle, and that's just about right.
I would probably drop the "against a killer" at the end. Our argument works equally well against rapists.
November 9, 2007, 10:58 AM
has anybody noticed that this org is mainly women?
how dare they wear those VT color ribbons. I doubt not one of them knew one of the victims...I did.
It is in bad taste to exploit a tragedy like what happened at VT to push their unamerican and unconstitutional agenda.
November 9, 2007, 02:29 PM
skidmark's poster idea is genius, using their own people. I think it would be extremely effective, and have greater impact than their own 'lie-in' by itself would. Amplified effect, turning an anti to a pro-carry message, and the antis foot the bill for the costumes and setup.
People need to get the message that it's the very gun control laws the anti-gunners are advocating that made the VT massacre possible
November 9, 2007, 02:52 PM
I agree. If we can somehow get mixed in among their ranks, we can turn this event in our favor. Everyone is dressed in black which can easily be done. Our message would also be equally effective if we can give out flyers with our message. (Their version: http://www.protesteasyguns.com/Docs/fact%20Sheet.doc)
Date and Time from their website:
Fairfax-32 (Fairfax, Virginia, November 24, 3pm, Fairfax Corner)
I also think wearing the Virginia Tech colors will also show that we aren't all heartless "gun nuts". I certainly know I will be wearing my school colors. From their Protest letter #2 (http://www.protesteasyguns.com/Docs/ProtestLetter02.doc
"Please WEAR BLACK. Pants work better than skirts! We have remembrance ribbons that are maroon/gold (VA tech colors) for each of us to wear."
Get it right ****** bags, Virginia Tech is Orange and Maroon.
0 Armed citizens
November 9, 2007, 04:29 PM
0 Armed victims
0 Armed resistors? citizens?
I wouldn't go with "armed victims". Part of our argument is that citizens should get a choice: be a victim, or refuse to be a victim.
We argue against the disarmament policy at VT because it strips that choice away. You will be a victim so that fellow students may have the illusion of safety.
November 9, 2007, 05:28 PM
if I make it there I'll be wearing a VT cap, VT t-shirt, and have a VT magnet on the tailgate of my pickup. (I kinda jumped the gun when applying to colleges last year by buying all this VT stuff...ended up at GMU but my brother's at VT so I still feel like a part of the school for how many times I've been down there with his friends...I've lost count... :D )
November 9, 2007, 06:04 PM
0 Armed citizens
I love this except perhaps I would change the last line to "No Armed Resistance" followed by GUNS CAN SAVE LIVES.
November 9, 2007, 06:08 PM
I like that. I agree "Armed citizens" doesn't sound good. Because it sounds like what they want...unarmed citizens.
November 9, 2007, 06:13 PM
I am scheduled to be out-of-town but if I am not, I'll be there. :cool:
November 9, 2007, 06:25 PM
I like "I respect your right to be a victim."
"Please respect my right not to be one."
November 12, 2007, 12:36 PM
This is coming together well I think. I just got an email from Mr. Van Cleave with the attached flyer. My one question on it however is whether or not this is connected to the MMM or the Brady Campaign. (it may be, I just haven't seen it). If it's not should the flier be changed since in all fairness it's not their event?
November 12, 2007, 12:49 PM
good flier :)
November 13, 2007, 03:51 PM
The Brady Bunch and the MMM's are closely involved in these lie-ins as well as Virginians For Public Safety (Jim Sollo). One of the more amusing aspects of the anti-rights organizations is they create multiple groups with different names, but the membership is the same persons in the groups. Also of note, they had to bring in folks from out of state for the last lie-in in Richmond in order to have enough participants.
If you really want to have some fun with this, dress in black that day and go join thier side. When the time comes to lie on the ground, do so when it's your turn. They will then lie silently for 3 minutes. At the halfway mark (1:30 minutes) you jump up and shout something appropriate like "Guns save lives, and could have saved thiers!".
November 13, 2007, 07:16 PM
I got at least a half dozen responses (so far) from the VCDL newsletter of people who would like to participate. One sign suggestion I really liked was "Lay down for lies, stand up for rights".
November 14, 2007, 04:53 AM
Here is an idea for a counter protest; have up to 33 people lay on the ground for a one minute, and then 30 of them stand up and announce that they represent the victims that were NOT killed at the Appalachian Law School shooting because ARMED students stopped the rampaging killer. Perhaps the 3 "dead" victims could be dressed in black, and have the 30 "survivors" be dressed in white. Maybe, two of the "survivors" could immediately get up and run toward the parking lot, then back again to represent Tracey Bridges and Todd Ross going to get their handguns, and then the "survivors" could then stand up to represent being "saved". Or, use your own imagination for ideas to help put the point across. Probably should keep it as simple and direct as practical, though.
November 14, 2007, 08:37 AM
In person, I'm going to be down at Jamestown Settlement (http://www.historyisfun.org), burning large quantities of their gunpowder.
As of 3 weekends ago, I'm now checked out on the breechloading swivel gun. Means I can burn MORE of their powder :D
November 14, 2007, 10:06 AM
This is the place with Coastal Flats, right? That's a "town center" (which, for you out-of-state'ers, is basically a small town, minus the housing). Is this place private property?
If this is indeed private property, how does that affect everything? Do we have to clear it with the owners, or are we just showing up?
Also, this property, in true modern Northern Virginia fashion, is AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE TO GET IN AND OUT OF. Whoever is going, the following is not an overstatement: Plan on having to walk up to 1/4 mile in order to get to the town center.
Their ingenious method of getting customers to the stores consists mainly of satellite lots. I go over there for lunch sometimes and it's not bad during the day - but I've never been there on the weekend. I can tell you that in the evenings it gets out of control. There are also few sidewalks.
Bear all this in mind if you're planning on carrying signs around.
November 14, 2007, 10:15 AM
Fairfax Corner is owned by The Person Companies (http://www.petersoncos.com/). Their website has nothing conclusive about performing a demonstration. I suspect that their demonstration will face very little opposition but probably won't last very long either as they just lie on the ground and hold a banner for their website.
I think what we need to do is stand amongst their crowd with signs and mix their message with ours. Most onlookers will probably confuse them as part of our group.
November 14, 2007, 01:16 PM
I got about a half dozen bites from the VCDL newsletter (more to come I'm sure) and just sent out this email.
(I agree that parking does suck at Fairfax Corner, but the alternative is a dank dark 10 story parking garage with tiny little spaces)
Thank you for your interest in participating in the peaceful counter-protest to ProtestEasyGuns.com’s “lie in” at Fairfax Corner on November 24.
According to their website (www.protesteasyguns.com), it is scheduled for 3 PM. For anybody who has not been there, Fairfax Corner is a mixed used development with shopping, dining, office, and residential. It is located on the other side of I-66 just south of the Fair Oakes Mall, and you can get to it from Monument Drive, Government Center Parkway, or Random Hills Road. I don’t know this for sure, but based upon how their other events have been set up, the most likely area for them to use would be the courtyard/fountain in front of the Cinema De Lux movie theater.
A few sign ideas that have been suggested:
“174 Shots. 9 Minutes. 30 Dead. No Armed Resistance”
“Lay down for lies and fear. Stand up for truth and rights”
“I respect your right to choose to be a victim. Please respect my right to not be one”
“Gun Control is people control”
“Gun control laws do not stop the insane”
I plan to show up around 2, but I probably won’t be getting my sign out until after they have assembled and are close to the start time of their show. I will be making lots of copies of a flier Mr. Van Cleave sent me. If you have access to a color copier and wouldn’t mind making a few color copies for the media, please let me know.
I have also posted a thread on www.thehighroad.org about the counter-protest so hopefully some friends from that forum will join us.
A few things to please keep in mind:
#1. This is going to be a peaceful counter-protest. There may very well be some “spirited” exchanges, but it is not in our best interests to come across as confrontational or, even worse, threatening. (I am not suggesting that open-carry is threatening. That’s their problem if they don’t like free peoples exercising their rights.)
#2. This is not an official VCDL event. While of course we all have the right to express our views and assemble peacefully, we are not speaking on behalf of the VCDL or representing its official position.
#3. And finally, on a personal note, I will be out of town from about Noon Thursday to Sunday afternoon, and will not be able to respond to any emails until I got back.
Thank you again for your interest. I'm confident that this will be a productive and fun event. Invite your friends! I’ll send out another email towards the end of the next week with a reminder and any new information I have.
November 14, 2007, 02:19 PM
All the best, guys - wish I could be there.
November 16, 2007, 12:29 PM
“Lay down for lies and fear. Stand up for truth and rights”
is the best one
November 20, 2007, 01:19 PM
There has been a development. skidmark from the opencarry.org forum emailed Fairfax Corner management and told them about the protesteasyguns.com event and requested permission to hold a "companion event" and that request was denied. Apparently it's all private property.
I'm not sure this was really all that great of an idea but what's done is done.
I'm thinking now that it might be a good idea to show up and act like normal shoppers and only bring the signs out when they start their 3 minutes of laying down. We should either think of a way to discreetly carry them (large shopping bag?) or designate a fast person as a runner to retrieve the signs from the car of whomever managed to park the closest to where they will be laying down once it looks like they are getting underway.
I'm bringing 4 sturdy signs that are about 30 x 20 inches and read "LAY DOWN FOR FEAR AND LIES" on one side and "STAND UP FOR TRUTH AND RIGHTS" on the other.
November 21, 2007, 11:21 AM
Here is an update. I just sent out this email to those people who have responded to me that they are interested in attending.
There has been a development with the protesteasyguns counter-protest that I wanted to make you all aware of, but it’s still on as scheduled.
A user from the opencarry.org forums emailed the management of Fairfax Corner (FC) and asked for permission to hold a “companion activity” along with the protesteasyguns people, and his request was denied. It is apparently all private property. (except for the public roads and sidewalks surrounding it). It also appears from the emails he got that FC management doesn’t want the lie-down people there either. You can read more here:
What this means in my view is that we should be flexible and somewhat cautious, and be prepared that Fairfax County police may be there. One possibility is that FC management won’t let them protest, or tell them they have to take it into a public area. Another possibility is that they will let them do their show but will ask anybody counting-protesting to leave. It’s private property and we have to respect that, but they would have to ask somebody to leave and only if they refused could they be in any trouble. (Note: I am not a lawyer). If they move their show to public property then we should follow them.
It also appears as though some people from opencarry.org are planning to protest as well, so there might be a bigger pro-gun turnout than I initially expected.
There was a proposal that we all meet in the parking area behind the potbelly sandwich store, which I think is a good idea. It’s somewhat out of the way and not visible to where I believe the lie-down will occur. If you’re looking at the front of the movie theater, the potbelly store is to your right.
I’m going to bring 4 heavy duty signs with me, with “LAY DOWN FOR LIES & FEAR” on one side and “STAND UP FOR TRUTH & RIGHTS” on the other. Of course feel free to make up your own sign as well.
I will be there by 2:30 to scope it out but I do not plan on bring out any signs until they start with their show. You shouldn’t have any problem finding me, I’m 6’1 and I’ll be wearing jeans and a tan 5.11 vest. My cell phone is 703-798-5161. I will try my best to check my email frequently and answer my phone if anybody gets lost. Please bring a friend!
See you on Saturday!
November 21, 2007, 11:52 AM
Bah, of course they would do this while I'm out of town for Thanksgiving.
They're conspiring against me!... <tinfoil hat>
November 22, 2007, 11:14 AM
Wish my bride and I could be there, but we're hitting the road tomorrow.
November 24, 2007, 11:16 AM
The protest scheduled for today is no longer on their website.
Why stand near them? Lay down with them holding a sign like "Gun control made me defenseless." Infiltrate and destroy their message
November 24, 2007, 06:49 PM
Well, it didn't really work out as planned...
Nobody from MMM/EasyGuns showed up up until 3:40 or so.
There were 5 of us there (I was late), and three security guards watching us talk to each other, who were periodically talking to one woman (who probably counted as 100,000 or so of the million moms).
All in all it was a dud, but only because they bailed.
Now I'm going to be thinking about how to be proactive instead of reactive.