Saiga 7.62x39 Accuracy?


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Gun lover
November 6, 2007, 02:57 AM
What is the typical accuracy with one of these?If you are using the typical Russian and American ammo..I was thinking of getting one of these rifles for an extra deer driving rifle(most likely at ranges of 30 yards)..Just wondering..

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rangerruck
November 6, 2007, 10:57 AM
more accurate than you would believe... more so than 90% of the ak's made out there right now, other than say valmet, or galil or czech vz's, or some high end made ak's, I would put up a saiga in a accuracy test against any other ak made out there, by any other country.

Detachment Charlie
November 6, 2007, 11:08 AM
From a former Saiga 7.62 x 39mm owner & shooter --
30 yds. = Dead Bambi.

Saiga39
November 6, 2007, 02:42 PM
I'm still working on getting mine sighted in properly but most will say that a good red dot will improve accuracy and I've seen that first hand with mine. With out it I seem to be all over the place which I know is mostly my fault but I'm not sure how much of it is the gun or the round.

I just found a town that has a municipal rifle range with 25 yrd and 100 yrd targets so I'll be out there in next week trying to get it sighted. I have a AR Lower and I'm planning a AR build which may replace my Saiga but I want to get it sighted and give it a chance before I decide to sell it.

I've read that replacing the rear sight with a Mojo improves the accuracy. Tech Sights is supposedly coming out with a new AK sight which looks promising.

wisocki
November 6, 2007, 08:57 PM
2 moa good enough?

chris in va
November 6, 2007, 11:11 PM
I'm still waiting for a true rear peep sight for my Saiga. I'd rather have that than all those fancy dots and scopes.

I can personally verify hitting a bowling pin at 80 yards is no problem.

Saiga39
November 7, 2007, 12:01 AM
Well your wish for a peep sight for a Saiga is what Tech Sights is working on.

I'm very interested in that.

Don't Tread On Me
November 7, 2007, 12:30 AM
The certificate that came with mine shot a 4" group from the factory. That's probably your typical Russian ammo. Most of the people who responded to this topic on another forum had similar results. The best ones were 3"...some at 4.5".


4" from an AK is fantastic, as most shoot pie-plate at 100yards. I wonder what handloaded or high quality ammo would do?


Don't get caught up in the the whole 1moa nonsense. I'd also find 2moa consistent to be hard to believe. 3-4" for a military rifle is fantastic.

Even the M16 must shoot 4" or less at 100 yards in order to pass inspection at the factory.

Omnivore
November 8, 2007, 09:05 PM
Just to nitpick a little here: Though it may effect your personal results, the sight you're using does not determine the inherent accuracy of the rifle.

Iron sights are a bit more difficult to use than an optic. Focus on the front sight, so the target and rear sight are a bit blurry. That's where you get your best results.

Passing inspection with a 4 MOA group is one thing, but many of those rifles will do much better. It would seem hard to believe for some today, but a rack-grade M-14 was required to put five rounds into just over 6" at 100. I have a few acquaintances who swear they’re getting MOA accuracy from an AK. My best so far with an AK is a Russian Vepr .223 caliber AK: two consecutive, three-shot group of under 1.5" at 100 yards with Wolf 62 gr ball. That was with standard iron sights.

I have other AKs that are pie-plate accurate at best.

If you have broadband, you might like this video I did last summer. That's a cheap Romanian AK (SAR-1) with an AImpoint sight on it:
http://www.ultimak.com/AKClays.htm

The camera was on a stand, so we didn't know until afterwards that a lot of the good action was out-of-frame to the right. That gravel pit is now closed to shooting. I also didn't know that the only reason you can see these hits was because the cliff in the background was in shadow and the targets were in sunlight (good contrast). We did the same thing with an M1A, but the targets are all invisible, the cliff being in sunlight.

Deer Hunter
November 8, 2007, 11:46 PM
4 MOA is pretty standard amung AKS variants. Many of the huge grouping that people see is shooter error.

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