I want an AK!


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cnorman18
November 6, 2007, 12:19 PM
I don't have one yet, but I plan to happily jump into the AK addiction with both feet.

I'm sure my question is common, but I'll ask it anyway: What's the best quality AK for the money?

I'm not in a situation where building my own is possible, so that option is off the table. I also definitely want a 7.62x39.

I know that WASRs are super-cheap, but poor quality; I'd like something better than that and that won't need a lot of work.

Atlantic has a Russian-made classic AK for $800+, and if it's really that much better I'll save up for a couple more months; but I'm really looking for something in the $500-$600 range.

Get me in an AK, guys. What are my best options?

(Here's your chance: rants, flames, rumors and prejudices are all welcome.)

Thanks!

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Ghostrider_23
November 6, 2007, 12:29 PM
I have a WASR-10 and it has performed nicely. I have not had 1 problem with it and is a super shooter. Take it for what it is worth.

Hokkmike
November 6, 2007, 12:33 PM
I could NOT recommend a WASR-10. Sorry.

REOIV
November 6, 2007, 12:42 PM
Depends on what you want to do with it.

If you just want an AK to blast things with a GP WASR 10 will do just fine. Plus its not like they don't clean up well. I refinished the furniture on mine, swapped grips and repainted it and polished the charging handle. It works great.

If you want one that is a good price and built in the same factory as the real Russian AKs get a Saiga in what ever flavor you like (The conversions are a snap and will still get you done for under 500 bucks though it won't look exactly like an AK) My saiga 308 cost 360 bucks 100 bucks for parts etc. Another 200 on mags and you get a 308 rifle that has 20 round mags, takes any AK accessories out there and is under 800 bucks....

If you want one that looks like an AK, isn't as rough around the edges as a WASR then pick up one by Lancaster from Atlantic for 500 to 600.

But if money is a concern look into WASRs and Saigas.

ClickClickD'oh
November 6, 2007, 01:14 PM
Saiga. Convert it yourself. They are higher quality than a GP WASR-10. Currently 7.62x39mm Saigas are running just under $300.

KHAN
November 6, 2007, 01:22 PM
I agree with going with a Saiga. Will at RedJacket Firearms of FBMG does some very nice conversions, or if you're feeling self-sufficient enough you can do the conversions yourself. MAK 90's are also very nice for the price.

strat81
November 6, 2007, 01:35 PM
Quite happy with my WASR. Took a few hundred rounds to break in and run smoothly, it's fine now. It came with a Tapco G2 trigger direct from CAI.

jwxspoon
November 6, 2007, 01:38 PM
I picked up a WASR-UF from J&G. Nothing but good things to say about it. Looked unfired when I got it, has been a reliable shooter from day one.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/romanian-ak-47-wasr-uf-with-underfolding-stock%2C-7-62x39-caliber-/products_id/449?osCsid=db73e7dbdf61e91549bf1a4f19cd348b

RevolvingCylinder
November 6, 2007, 02:06 PM
Isn't there an accuracy difference between different makes? I'm sure cosmetics alone don't warrant double the price.

SSN Vet
November 6, 2007, 02:14 PM
NIB....and about as low a price as you'll find ... URL="http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=422"]http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=422[/URL]

nalioth
November 6, 2007, 02:26 PM
I'm not in a situation where building my own is possible, so that option is off the table. I also definitely want a 7.62x39. I very much doubt that, sir. DFW sees at least 3 build parties each year (probably some smaller ones we never hear about). You can buy a parts kit, compliance parts and receiver, attend a build party and come away with a functional AK that is the same quality (if not better) than a Lancaster.

Isn't there an accuracy difference between different makes? I'm sure cosmetics alone don't warrant double the price. If you put your part into it, they're all accurate. The high price is due to Americans spending time putting cut up european parts kits back together or taking a saiga down to the pins and building it back up again.

dstorm1911
November 6, 2007, 02:29 PM
evolving cyl...... there is a QUALITY of components difference between different makes and amount of workmanship put into assembly and finishing of the higher quality components.....

Go with a Century built Yugo, (they don't actually build them anymore they are farmed out to a AK specialty builder) make sure the sights are installed correctly and for under $500 ya will have the best ya can get for the $$ invested, I actually prefer the Yugo UF over the fixed stock they are in a straight line with bore axis as opposed to dropping away 15 degrees like EVERY other countries UF stock and provide a good cheek weld and better accuracy.........

cnorman18
November 6, 2007, 03:52 PM
Thanks for all the assistance, guys. Still gathering info, but the Yugo is looking good.

As for the build party option; I care for a 98-year-old man, 24-7, an old friend. He can't be left alone at all. I get maybe an hour off in the evening when his daughter comes to visit, and that's about it. The rest of the time I'm here in his apartment. Once a month or so I pay another guy to stay with him so I can go to the range, but even then I can't be gone more than a couple of hours or he gets agitated and fearful.

If you know of a build party where I can get 'er done in less than an hour, I'm there, but I don't think that's possible...

tnieto2004
November 6, 2007, 03:58 PM
I love my WASR 10

Gene_WI
November 6, 2007, 04:02 PM
For midpriced AKs it is hard to beat the Vector underfolder

Geronimo45
November 6, 2007, 04:06 PM
I've heard very good things about Tromix Saiga conversions, which are sold (by a mod here, Correia) for around $600.

http://www.fbmginc.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=101&Itemid=1

Clipper
November 6, 2007, 04:08 PM
AK snobs to the contrary, I really like my WASR.

DoubleTapDrew
November 6, 2007, 04:19 PM
For that price range I'd look into Vector or Lancaster. The cool thing about AKs is they are buit so loose even the crappy ones usually work :neener:

Halo is for Kids
November 6, 2007, 05:01 PM
Try the Lancaster. http://www.lancasterarms.com/

$539
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=446
$499
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=275

I've personally owned four (2 Romanian Gs and 2 Polish UFs) and test fired 5 UFs for the factory when in AZ. They back up their product and their personal service is consistently excellent.

To compare the Lancaster and Vector:
-The Lancaster’s have a lifetime warranty, Tapco G2 trigger, are parkerized and then finished in black Gun-Kote. Also the wood on the guns is top notch.

-The vectors have a 5 year warranty and are a parkerized.

Both Lancaster and Vector have good products that will suit you fine. I just have to offer up some of the Lancaster Kool-aid.:)

If you get a chance compare, the Romanian WASR and Romanian Lancaster side by side. You will see a measurable difference. The WASRs are built as single stacks to be sent to the US commercial market. The Lancaster G's are built from military parts.

:evil:Hell, the Lancaster probably even smells better than the WASR :D.

Clipper
November 6, 2007, 06:36 PM
My WASR is made for the standard 30-round magazine, and came with two of them, and had the Tapco trigger already installed.

jonboynumba1
November 6, 2007, 07:46 PM
I'd hit gunbroker and find a new or almost new SAR1 or a clean mak90 cheap. The mak90 still got the knod on qullity IMHO but the SAR-1 (other than bayo lug and FH) seemed pretty decent and looked "right" Several buds have them and I've owned a few myself. (and a WASR10 which I quickly sold...junk)

Dunno what else is out there right now...I saw a new model in SGN with sme nteresting looking hardware and century or SOG or somebody had some SKODA built stuff that was interesting the other day. If you can find a clean to new SAR1 for under $400 I'd just get that to start with.

Not as cheap to shoot anymore but they are certainly very fun guns to own. Every home needs one ...just because ;)

"Wolverines!"............LOL

1lostinspace
November 6, 2007, 07:54 PM
even if you got a wasr10 your getting a great rifle.
I believe that an AK is superior to the M4 series.

nalioth
November 6, 2007, 08:18 PM
and looked "right" Let us keep in mind that "looks" don't feed the bulldog.

You want something that "works".

Somebody said (I paraphrase) they'd have the homeliest, funniest looking gun, so long as it worked every time.

Halo is for Kids
November 6, 2007, 08:30 PM
My WASR is made for the standard 30-round magazine,

Your WASR was imported without the ability to accept 30 rounders. It was reconfigured by the armorers at Century to accept the standard mags.

grimjaw
November 6, 2007, 08:46 PM
If they were still importing the SAR series, I'd say go with that for a starter, but since most of those are getting a little long in the tooth (no longer imported and probably are getting shot to heck), a WASR might be just as good an option for a starter.

jm

jpwilly
November 6, 2007, 09:39 PM
I went with the Lancaster Arms Tactical AK...built on with new Romanian G parts, Tapco Trigger, 1.6mm reciever, nice finish...stock photo:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/akmtactical.jpg

pmbiker
November 7, 2007, 03:30 AM
+1 for the saiga. Pony up the big bucks for one converted or buy a sporter and do the work yourself. I've done 3 with only a Dremmel and a couple'a files

If you've got the moolah and don't mind an extra pound or so search for a milled Bulgarian. SLR-95, SAM-7 or SLR-101. Asking prices will start around $500 or so and only go up from there.

Watch out for the wasr, many like theirs but it's the bottom of the barrel. If I wanted a Romanian variant, I'd find a SAR-1.

Current Yugos will either have an original rusted out sewer pipe of a barrel or a new non-chorme lined US made barrel. If you can live with that they are a decent option.

Don't pass up a nice Norinco or Poly-Tech. Very nice and overbuilt, can be had for @$400-well over a grand for a true pre-ban Poly.

I've owned Chinese, Hungarian, Russian saiga and Arsenal Bulgaria. I kept the Bulgarian and had a little work done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/pmbiker/slrblk4.jpg

.45&TKD
November 7, 2007, 03:58 AM
Yugo.

jrfoxx
November 7, 2007, 06:52 AM
Another very happy wasr-10 gp owner here.Not 1 single issue in the 3 years I've owned it, with any ammo I toss in it.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/jrfoxx/akwithmag2.jpg

MEH
November 7, 2007, 09:03 AM
Well if you want to spend a little extra money Arsenal Inc has the best AKs on the market... I love mine! It will cost you about $850 to $900 new, but if you can find a used one it will only be $600 or $700.

That being said, Vector has very good quality stamped rifles (make sure to request a chrome-lined barrel, I think it costs $20 extra). I think they are built on Polish parts but I'm not sure.

yosarian
November 7, 2007, 11:08 AM
Yet another happy wasr owner here.The first thing i added to my rifle was a red dot and some bularian waffle mags.After shooting it the first time out it was clear a heat gaurd was in order and the stock was to short,so i added a set of Kvar furniture.I could not be happier with this rifle and it was more accurate than i had hoped. http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/yosarian_2007/10-19-07018.jpg

ndh87
November 7, 2007, 11:15 AM
It was reconfigured by the armorers at Century to accept the standard mags.

HAHA...armorers at century...haha, oh man, thats funny.

Seriously though, i have a WASR-10, aside from a bit of mag wobble (due to century's butchering) its a great rifle, never had the first problem with it. Goes bang every time and its decently accurate.

ernunnos
November 7, 2007, 11:36 AM
Yugos are the best deal right now, particularly the underfolders. 1.6mm receiver, G2 trigger. All it needs is an Ultimak rail and a red dot.

Cannonball888
November 7, 2007, 11:52 AM
I have a Lancaster Polish UF with a 1.6mm receiver. Very happy with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/Cannonball888/YuliyaAK.jpg

Slimjim
November 7, 2007, 12:10 PM
The new century AK's are built on DCI recievers.

Halo is for Kids
November 7, 2007, 03:22 PM
HAHA...armorers at century...haha, oh man, thats funny.

I was hoping someone would appreciate that!:D

Seriously, I've been considering getting a WASR just to have an AK that I can abuse. I was going to have it NP3'd just to be an arse, but now classic arms has me covered:

Hard Chromed Yugo Underfolder, $519 at http://www.classicarms.us/ :
http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20057.jpg
http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20059.jpg

kyccw
November 7, 2007, 04:37 PM
I am in the same boat... wanting to get an AK. Seems there are lots of ways to go. I don't think I want to go the Saiga sportster conversion route. I don't have the time on the platform to feel comfortable there. I definitely want to buy and be ready to play.

Seemed initially the WASR-10 were not thought of well, but some owners have certainly piped up to say otherwise.

Keep the info and intel coming. You guys are definitely going to influence more than one purchase. :-)

nalioth
November 7, 2007, 08:07 PM
Current Yugos will either have an original rusted out sewer pipe of a barrel or a new non-chorme lined US made barrel. If you can live with that they are a decent option.Contrary to popular opinion, not all the Yugo kits that made it to the builders have "rusted out sewer pipe" barrels. I just sold two kits that looked as if they were not carried at all with absolutely beautiful bores.

Further, "sewer pipe barrels" usually clean up nicely and shoot fine.

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