Kel Tec 2000


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Blain
July 16, 2003, 07:46 PM
Just saw one in a gunshop today for the first time and I was very impressed. They had 9mm and .40 models. I was interested in the .40 cal model because of the extra power. I was wondering if any of you have one of these guns and could give me an evaluation of it? It was selling at the gunshop for $335. At 29.5" long (when not folded) and 4 lbs unloaded it seems like a delightful trunk/car gun. I was wondering the following...

1. Some models come that accept glock mags, and some accept Beretta, which mag type would be better? Which brand of mags are cheaper/easier to get in .40S&W?

2. How much extra velocity will a 16" barrel give a .40S&W round?

3. Can you carry a gun such as this? This article seems to suggest you can,
http://www.gunblast.com/Kel-Tec_Sub2000.htm

4. Where is a god place to get fair priced glock .40 S&W mags? Are the mags in this auction fairly priced? Will they work? http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10329357

Any personal experience with the gun would be greatly appreciated.



For those who don't know, a Kal Tec 2000 is a self-loading carbine for pistol cartridges. Different versions of the SUB-2000 will accept most modern handgun magazines. There is a GLOCK version. Further, the SUB-2000 has a greatly extended range compared to a handgun. The superior precision is also very useful against small or partially covered targets at shorter range. The amount of training to master the SUB-2000 is only a fraction of that required for a handgun.

http://www.kel-tec.com/sub_203.jpg
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Kel-Tec_Sub2000/Mvc-010f-sm.jpg

Technical Specifications
Calibers: 9 mm Luger, .40 S&W
Weight unloaded 4.0lbs. 1.8 kg
Length open 29.5" 749 mm
Length closed 16" 406 mm
Barrel length 16.1" 408 mm
Aperture rear, circular hood
adjustable front
Practical range/over 150yds 150 m
Rifle features an internal keyed
deployment lock.
Rifle can be reduced to a size of
16" x 7" to facilitate secure storage. 406 x 178 mm

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vmi93
July 16, 2003, 08:10 PM
I have one in 9mm that takes Glock mags. It is lots of fun to shoot and reasonably accurate given the sights and caliber.

1. Some models come that accept glock mags, and some accept Beretta, which mag type would be better? Which brand of mags are cheaper/easier to get in .40S&W?

I think that Beretta mags are cheaper now, but if we're lucky that will change in Fall'04.

2. How much extra velocity will a 16" barrel give a .40S&W round?

I don't know, mine's 9mm.

3. Can you carry a gun such as this? This article seems to suggest you can,

Check your state laws. It is defined as a rifle, so you may run afoul of game control laws designed to prevent poaching and road hunting.

4. Where is a god place to get fair priced glock .40 S&W mags? Are the mags in this auction fairly priced? Will they work? http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vi...p?Item=10329357

Try CDNN. THey usually have good deals on Glock factory hi-caps. That auction looks like a darned good deal for those mags.

Bobarino
July 16, 2003, 08:30 PM
i also have the Glock 9mm version. i'm having trouble with the mag catch/release right now. its going back for an evaluation and possible repairs. i think $335 is a litte high but not too bad. the rifle is fun fun fun! its pretty darn accurate to boot. i think you'll be stisfied with your purchase if you decide to do so.


Bobby

Kor
July 16, 2003, 08:58 PM
I own the Glock-mag/.40cal version, and it is bloody fun to shoot, and almost shockingly accurate(within the limited range of a pistol cartridge). As long as you can get your face down on the buttstock tube and use the sights(some guys I've known cannot do so), it's a great defensive carbine.

- In standard-length full-capacity magazines, Beretta mags are MUCH cheaper than Glock mags UNLESS you want a super-sized "stick" mag - the Scherer .40/29rd sticks can be had for $75 from www.lonewolfdist.com, but unless you're willing to take your chances with a gun-show-special USA Magazines POS, you gotta shell out BIG bucks for a 20rd Beretta 93R mag.

- I haven't shot mine over a chrono, but I'm thinking you should get around 150-200fps more in the Kel-Tec - you'll realize higher velocity gains with the lighter-bullet loadings than with the 180-grainers.

- I can fit mine into a 17" long laptop bag, that I can carry slung over my shoulder, with a few spare magazines tucked in for good measure. There's been similar discussion at www.ktog.org.

Blain
July 16, 2003, 09:45 PM
Beretta has pre-ban .40s? What size and cost and where can I get some? Thanks!

clubsoda22
July 17, 2003, 03:44 AM
just get the standard gun show junk magazines. You shouldn't have a problem feeding.

Kor
July 17, 2003, 03:00 PM
Sorry, Blain - didn't mean to get you excited. Beretta M96 .40S&W mags have always been made to hold 10 rounds only, even before the ban. The 20-rd 93R mags are in 9mm only. Of course, you MAY be able to find 30-rd .40/M96 stick-mags made by ProMag/USA/Triple K/etc. at a gun show(I haven't been looking out for them, so I couldn't tell you for sure), but I personally think those are a waste of money.

Blain
July 17, 2003, 11:32 PM
Isn't this gun sort of like a poor mans MP5 afterall? Besides the selective fire that is.... Though that gets me wondering.... a S.F. Kel-Tec Sub 2000!!!

clubsoda22
July 18, 2003, 02:57 AM
i was very close to buying one at the last gun show i was at, but opted for a new shotgun instead. I'm not too keen on plastic sights.

DMK
July 18, 2003, 12:01 PM
American Rifleman just did a review on this little carbine a month or so ago. IIRC, they liked it.

I saw a guy with one in 9mm at the range a while back also. He didn't have any trouble with it that I saw. He sure looked like he was having fun and shot up quite a bit of ammo through it. The little carbine looks kinda mean when somebody is blasting away with it.

dinosaur
July 22, 2003, 11:28 AM
I found this thread on a search. The dealer about 2 miles from me has one in 9mm for about $270. The Scherer mags are $75. I`ve been looking for a inexpensive truck gun and anything I`ve run into used so far is over $300.

Hi Point makes a carbine also that I saw discounted to $149. No mention of a mag interchange and it doesn`t break down like the Kel Tec. This gun seems like a pretty good deal for what it`s made for.

mguffey
July 22, 2003, 06:39 PM
Under construction, but good, useful info at:
http://thearmedcitizen.com/gunpages/sub2000.htm

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