persian mauser vs. swedish mauser


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cwdotson
November 7, 2007, 05:37 PM
Which is the best, 98/29 or the 96? What do I mean "best"?--Well, what criteria impresses you?

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atblis
November 7, 2007, 05:38 PM
I have to say Swedish no contest.

The Persian Mausers are nice and all, but the Swedes are near the top for quality, appearance, variations that encourage collecting, etc. You combine that with how well the Swedes shoot and the Persians don't even come close.

Hokkmike
November 7, 2007, 05:41 PM
Happy to be the first here to cast a hearty endorsement of the Swedish Mauser. From first hand experience I can tell you that they are well made, accurate, and holding, no increasing at a fast rate, in their value.

Cosmoline
November 7, 2007, 05:43 PM
It's something of apples and oranges. The Persian is one of the nicest '98 pattern Mausers you can get. They rarely shot them, and wore white gloves to handle them for the Peacock Throne. But the design is quite different from the Swede and the 8x57JS considerably more potent than the 6.5 Scan. The Swede is lighter in the hand and faster to cycle. It's also a bit more accurate. But the cartridge is hitting with 1,000 fewer ft. lbs.

JesseL
November 7, 2007, 05:53 PM
They're both very nice implementations of their respective designs.

I like the features of the Persian Mauser (98 pattern) more; with the improved gas handling, extra lug, cock-on-open, bolt-shroud lock, etc.

I really like the caliber of the Swedes more though.

SlamFire1
November 7, 2007, 06:02 PM
I assume the Persian Mausers you are talking about are pre WWII Mausers made by CZ.

I have handled a couple. One was in excellent condition and it was fabulous. The workmanship was excellent.

Swedish Mausers are very well built weapons, but the M1898 action is a more advanced action than the M1896. In my opinion, the M1898 action is the "best" overall bolt action ever designed. The M98 rifle has its quirks, but the action is excellent.

If I could have gotten an excellent condition Persian Mauser, I would have got one. So I guess I will just have to be happy with my excellent condition M1896

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/ReducedM96SwedeCarlGustafsfulllengt.jpg

AntiqueCollector
November 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
The Persian, mainly because I don't care for the caliber of the Swedish Mauser. I'm a big fan of 8mm mauser.

Vaarok
November 7, 2007, 07:02 PM
The one has an anatomically correct lion holding a sword etched onto it. No contest, Persian.

AH-1
November 7, 2007, 07:04 PM
I have both and reload for them.
for target work the swede is the accuracy champ.
for hunting animals larger than deer go with the 8mm.for deer the 6.5 and a 140 gr nosler puts them down hard.the largest buck I ever killed was with a 1910 CG swede.bang..flop
pete

nwilliams
November 7, 2007, 08:23 PM
Swede hands down

Float Pilot
November 7, 2007, 08:32 PM
I have had and still own both. They are different rifles. Both are very nice.
The 1896s Swedes are the best of their era. Most 1898 Persians represent the highest quality of the much stronger 98 series.

Gator
November 7, 2007, 08:32 PM
I've owned both. IMO the Persians were one of, if not the, best Model 98s made in terms of fit and finish. The Swedish M96s were one of, if not the, best Model 96s made in terms of fit and finish. There, all clear right?
Seriously though, they were both beautifully made guns, whichever caliber you prefer would be "best" for you I guess.

P.S. I sold my mint Persian and kept my 96 and 38s. :)

mpmarty
November 7, 2007, 08:38 PM
Swedes are nice, I've had one but just never felt fully confident of the '93 design. My '98 is customized but still a 98 and very well made. I put a nice black walnut stock on it with a crossbolt, monte carlo pad, pachmeyer butt pad and rechambered it to 8mm /06 a very nice round comparable to the 35 whalen but with higher bc for the same bullet weight.

longhorngunman
November 7, 2007, 09:40 PM
Get both, somehow!:D They are both near the top of the surplus world and will do nothing but become even more valuable and rare over time. I only own a Persian currently but hope to add a Swede soon.

joe4702
November 7, 2007, 11:29 PM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2179/picture016yc7.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture016yc7.jpg)

Tokugawa
November 8, 2007, 01:07 AM
The Swedes are beautiful ,accurate weapons- but for fit and finish, the Persians are better. And a 1895 Chilean or 1891 Argentine is better still. Understand I am not talking about anything other than appearance- wood to metal fit, polish, bluing, etc. Every single SCREW on a Loewe 1895 is polished, stamped with inspection mark, and bright fire-blued.
From a practical perspective, I would much rather have a nice swede than a beat Chilean, though. Some actually like a rough rifle-sort of proof of use in war. Each to their own!

cracked butt
November 8, 2007, 08:01 AM
The BRNO Persian contract rifles are some of the finest 98s ever made. There are also some Persian-made rifles that aren't as nice.
Apples to apples:
The fit and finish of my 98/29 is as good as any of my swedes.
With proper handloads, it'll shoot with the swedes.

Apples to oranges:
The 98/29 comes in a much more powerful cartridge
The 98/29 is a much stronger action
The Swedes are chambered in a cartridge that tends to have better long range ballistics and is much more forgiving as a handloadable cartridge.
The swedes that I have had much more use and are older than the 98/29, some have been rearsenalled/rebuilt several times. My 98/29 doesn't look like it has been fired since it left the factory.

If both rifles were in front of me today and I had to pick one or the other, I'd pick the 98/29- all else is pretty much equal between the 2 rifles, but the 98/29 was made in very small numbers compared to the swedes.

K9american
November 8, 2007, 08:31 AM
Don't have a Persian but do have a Swede which looked unfired when I got it 10 years ago. Fit and finish is nice and it's a great shooter.

I don't know where mine fits in the grand scheme of Swedish Mausers; these are the markings: "Swedish Waffenfabrik Mauser" "Oberndorf A/N 1899".

If anyone knows or can direct me to some resources, I'd appreciate knowing more about this rifle's "pedigree", good, bad or indifferent. :)

atblis
November 8, 2007, 09:29 AM
http://www.rebooty.com/~dutchman/

K9american
November 8, 2007, 12:39 PM
Thanks, atblis. Nice site.

cracked butt
November 9, 2007, 01:13 PM
I don't know where mine fits in the grand scheme of Swedish Mausers; these are the markings: "Swedish Waffenfabrik Mauser" "Oberndorf A/N 1899".

Mauser Oberberndorf produced M96s (also M94s) under contract for Sweden between 1898 and 1900. The rifles were made from Steel supplied by Sweden as the mineral content in iron ore from Sweden produced the finest steel in the world. They usually had walnut stocks and were produced to very stringent standards. An Oberndorf M-96 is just as good as a Carl Gustav M96, in fact I prefer the Oberndorfs.

KI.W.
November 9, 2007, 03:04 PM
Musgrave and Persian (no made in Persian) are best ones!!! Swedish ones is some where in the horizont.

jacobhh
November 9, 2007, 06:11 PM
I suppose the Swede is intrinsically a bit more accurate,
but the fact that everyone notices tells me a lot must
be due to recoil.

Load the 7.92 down to 6.5 kick and you've got a horserace.
I'll take the pretty Persian.

davera
November 9, 2007, 06:31 PM
K9American - Oberndorf is the mothership as far as Mausers are concerned. I'm still looking for a Swede built there or continue trying to talk a buddy out of his. (already have one from Carl Gustav)

JNewell
November 9, 2007, 08:40 PM
The Swede is probably more fun to shoot, and you won't feel badly shooting it. The 98 is technically a superior action, and the standard of workmanship is unbeaten...but they were and in my view remain parade rifles, not service rifles in any sense of the word. The Persians are probably better, but I'd rather have Swedes.

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