Bolt-action ar-15


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John917
November 8, 2007, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I was that surprised when I saw it, too. It's some type of AR-15 knockoff, but bolt-action! I read about it, and it uses the 700 action. Here's the link. http://competitionshootingstuff.com/_wsn/page4.html

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brentn
November 8, 2007, 03:07 PM
Dlask makes a pump action ar15, that actually uses an ar15 lower reciever.

Jorg Nysgerrig
November 8, 2007, 03:10 PM
I believe there's a company in the UK that makes a bolt-action AR for that market.

ETA:Link:
http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/

ny32182
November 8, 2007, 03:11 PM
If it uses a Rem 700 action, well... I would call it a Remington 700. Looking at the pictures, I don't see any part it has in common with an AR15 other than the grip.

ArmedBear
November 8, 2007, 03:23 PM
I guess some people really like AR ergonomics. I find them to be a mixed bag.

Personally, I find that I have to be careful so that pulling the trigger doesn't move the gun laterally, like with a pistol. This is not a problem with a "conventional" rifle stock. Depends what you practice with, I guess.

That said, this rifle is not an AR, any more than a Howa Axiom, also a conventional bolt action varminter set in an AR-style stock, is.
http://www.legacysports.com/images/_products/HOWA_AxiomBlk_noScope.jpg

GunTech
November 8, 2007, 04:00 PM
That's what's known as a 'tube gun'. This design eliminated bedding issues. The Tubb 2000 is one of the more popular tube guns, but there are others:

http://www.tubegun.net/

http://www.davidtubb.com/t2k.html

Heavy Metal Hero
November 8, 2007, 04:01 PM
That's what's known as a 'tube gun'. This design eliminated bedding issues.

+1

sterling180
November 8, 2007, 04:11 PM
I believe there's a company in the UK that makes a bolt-action AR for that market.
Yes they do and we've had to rely on these gems as a result of Micheal Ryan's actions in 1987.Still thats life.

ocabj
November 8, 2007, 05:45 PM
I've been wanting the Gary Eliseo kit ever since I saw it several months ago. That's what I'm going to use for my match rifle, unless I come into an extra $5k or so for the Tubb 2000.

Quite a few match rifle shooters in Southern California use the Eliseo kit with good results.

I know a couple of service rifle shooters who are sticking with the AR platform when build up a match rifle (and sticking to .223). If I did use the AR for match rifle, I'd be more inclined to use 6mm AR or 6mm Hagar. It's not like .223 won't do fine in match rifle, but if you're going to shoot match instead of service, you may as well take advantage of the match category allowances besides aperture front and rear sights.

Anyway, don't mistake the Eliseo kit as an AR15 knockoff. It's simply a kit to build a tube gun out of a Remington 700.

ocabj
November 8, 2007, 05:46 PM
doubled

Jim Watson
November 8, 2007, 06:52 PM
I don't know if it is a factory option by any usual make, but there have been ARs built with no gas handling and a straight pull bolt handle grafted onto the bolt carrier.

Nolo
November 8, 2007, 07:04 PM
Ummm... It looks like the terrible mutated lovechild of a Spyder paintball marker and a Barrett M99.
That is quite possibly the ugliest gun I have ever seen.
Why not just use an AR?
Well, unless you're in Britain or Australia, but then you're kinda screwed over anyway.

ocabj
November 8, 2007, 07:25 PM
Why not just use an AR?

1. The bolt gun is going to be inherently more accurate than the semi auto due to action tolerances as well as eliminating the extraneous factor of the gas system (bolt dwell time, extended gas system).

2. Better cartridge. 6mmBR > .223. Although the introduction of the 6mmAR and 6mm Hagar for the standard AR15 makes things more interesting now for Across the Course shooters. And 6.5 Grendel may be feasible for XTC.

The one major benefit in adapting the AR15 for match rifle is that it's generally going to be cheaper for most people. Since most people already shooting High Power Across the Course are shooting service rifle with the AR, they can easily get a new trigger (can go lower than the 4.5lb minimum) and swap out uppers for a match rifle / space gun upper and add sights. WOA sells a complete match rifle upper for under $700. Add a Warner or RPA rear sight for $500 and whatever front sight for another $200 or so and you're ready to go. But then again, you'll most likely want to change out the A2 buttstock for a more adjustable stock like the one sold by Creedmoor Sports (and also made by Gary Eliseo - same one used in his R5 kit) so that will add a few extra bucks.

But if you look at the top match rifle category shooters, most of them are using bolt guns (Tubb 2000).

GunTech
November 8, 2007, 07:25 PM
Tube guns are built for accuracy. They have no bedding issues, and some like the ergonomics. These are generally built in match calibers like 6mmBR, 6XC, 6.5-284, 308, etc.

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