Which 9x19mm Luger cartridge(s) to test against auto glass and gelatin?


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Brass Fetcher
November 9, 2007, 10:11 PM
The previous poll indicates that the 9x19mm Luger cartridge is the one that will be tested against an automobile windshield and a block of ballistic gelatin. Please let everyone know which cartridge(s) you would like to see put through this test.

The test firearm will be a Glock 19 with 4.0" barrel length.

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Guitargod1985
November 10, 2007, 03:50 AM
NOOOOOOO!!!! I accidentally voted for 124 gr FMJ! I meant to vote for JHP.

Gustav
November 10, 2007, 03:51 AM
Either 115 or 124 JHP as I think that is what most people carry.

Kindrox
November 10, 2007, 09:00 AM
I vote for 147Gr FMJ/HP. Some people believe you could build build a 9MM proof house if you covered it in auto glass, and I figguer of all the 9MM rounds, 147 grain is the most likely to penetrate.

So if you use 115/124 and they don't penetrate, the debate won't be settled because you did not test 147. If you do test 147 and they don't, the debate is settled.

If you do test 147 and they do, at least we know one 9MM round that will.

Anotherguy
November 10, 2007, 09:40 AM
147 Gr. JHP standard pressure.

Hauptmann
November 10, 2007, 09:54 AM
124gr+P JHP. Preferably with Speer Gold Dots.

Kimber1911_06238
November 10, 2007, 09:59 AM
124 grain gold dots

dao
November 10, 2007, 10:43 AM
124gr FMJ because it's my duty load, and because many shooting occurs whith bad guy inside a car ( and having rifles, so we need to shoot them before they shoot us ! ).

Hauptmann
November 10, 2007, 10:48 AM
124gr FMJ because it's my duty load

That sucks. I would think that Speer's Lawman TMJ loads would be better than say 9mm NATO or your other common FMJ loads for your needs. The Lawman bullet is essentially a Gold Dot without the hollow point, so the jacket is bonded to the lead core. If I were unable to carry JHP or SP, Speer Lawman would be my first choice since it is a bonded bullet.

1lostinspace
November 10, 2007, 10:53 AM
127 +P+ Winchester ranger T series.

because that's what I carry.

Brass Fetcher
November 10, 2007, 10:56 AM
It sounds like dao might be in the military, hence the 'lots of people with rifles in cars'?

rbernie
November 10, 2007, 11:33 AM
147gr Winchester Personal Protection; the cheap stuff that nobody tests because it's not marketed as a premium bullet.

GunNut
November 10, 2007, 12:52 PM
147gr Winchester Personal Protection; the cheap stuff that nobody tests because it's not marketed as a premium bullet.

It's not a marketing issue, it's that it is NOT a premium bullet.

I would second the Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+.

Will you only be doing head on shots or will you all be trying some angles?

Brass Fetcher
November 10, 2007, 10:21 PM
The windshield will be set at a 45 degree angle with respect to the plane of the table on which it will sit. This is the same as the FBI test #6, but without the 15 degree angle (with respect to vertical plane). I would do the 15deg offset, but this would be difficult because the windshield is curved, not flat. In order to get the shots on a flat piece of glass, the shots will be oriented along the vertical centerline of the window, where the glass is flat for several bullet diameters in either direction.

Brass Fetcher
November 11, 2007, 12:15 AM
Special thanks to Glockman30 for contributing to the windshield tests. Remember - your donations keep the Brassfetcher whisk covered in partially dissolved gelatin powder and keeps the new tests coming! :)

grimjaw
November 11, 2007, 12:38 AM
Go go gadget 147gr . . .

MICHAEL T
November 11, 2007, 12:54 AM
115grCorbon DPX. Lets see how it stands up to ALL the rest no matter what weight.

Brass Fetcher
November 11, 2007, 08:56 PM
It looks like 147gr +P or standard ammo is currently in the lead. But we also talked about testing 'cheap' FMJ and JHP ammo from Wal-Mart, etc.

Lets start talking about a couple of 'common' rounds that can be included in the test, as well.

Gun Slinger
November 11, 2007, 10:48 PM
Another vote for the 147 gr. JHP, specifically the Hornady XTP 147 JHP.

If you want the toughest 147 gr. JHP for your test, the Hornady XTP as loaded in either the TAP-FPD or the TAP-CQ SD loadings (and their standard ammunition line, too) would be hard to beat not only for it's toughness, (because it typically expands well while holding together with good penetration in gelatin after passing through automotive glass, 0.55"-0.57" expansion/ 12.00" depth, as it was designed to satisfy the FBI testing protocols) but also for it's inherent accuracy, too.

I think that the "heavy-for-caliber" bullets are the way to go in any caliber.

As for the "common rounds' to compare it against, one of the most well-established is the Federal 9BP 115 gr. JHP at 1160 f.p.s. and would serve as an excellent 'benchmark'. Another that would be an excellent comparison load would be the Gold Dot 124 gr. JHP +P at 1220 f.p.s. That would give you two other excellent rounds of the other commonly utilzed bullet weights in 9mm to compare the 147 XTP against.

G/S

DMK
November 11, 2007, 11:10 PM
124gr+P JHP. Preferably with Speer Gold Dots.My sentiments exactly

romma
November 12, 2007, 01:11 PM
I only shoot 115 gr. JHP, Beyond that, my carry piece gets too heavy for me to lug around.. :neener:

esq_stu
November 12, 2007, 01:30 PM
DPX expands reliably in gelatin after going through 2 layers of 16-gauge steel. (stoppingpower.net) Why isn't it on your list?

Brass Fetcher
November 12, 2007, 03:17 PM
What weight is the 9x19mm DPX?

PPGMD
November 12, 2007, 03:55 PM
I would like to see what is probably the most common civilian SD ammo (at least around here) run against the window Speer Gold Dot 124gr.

Brass Fetcher
November 12, 2007, 09:03 PM
OK... looks like the 124gr +P Gold Dot is the current favorite. Who likes the 124gr +P Golden Saber (non-LE)? That looks promising as well.

Liko81
November 14, 2007, 10:51 AM
124gr JHP seems to be the standard "defense" round, so it gets my vote. A close second would be 115gr FMJ just because they're cheap and ubiquitous.

Deacon Blues
November 14, 2007, 10:58 AM
124gr Gold Dots seem to be the natural choice, as so many people use them. It's perfectly reasonable to want to know exactly what your own carry load does against auto glass.

steveracer
November 14, 2007, 11:02 AM
Didn't they do this already in the Buick Of Truth?

Will Fennell
November 14, 2007, 06:17 PM
Corbon's 9mm DPX loading is 115 gr all copper [Barnes] hollow point. I would really like to see this round and 127 gr Ranger T load[ I believe it is +p+ LOADING] it is one of the hottest 9mm load that I've shot.

Brass Fetcher
November 16, 2007, 09:31 PM
Get your votes in before the poll ends!

BushyGuy
August 29, 2009, 08:59 AM
i am carrying 115gr GDHP standard pressure they are excellent in both expansion and penetration and plus my gun does feel lighter and i can bring it out of the holster faster.

i wonder if anyone would do the testing for 115gr GDHP? i also have a 30 left of the 147 gr GDHP i am using that in the winter time.

Mot45acp
August 29, 2009, 12:55 PM
2 years later and the results of the test are........?

alistaire
August 30, 2009, 12:44 PM
Corbon DPX

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