7.62x54R, Data Needed


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Lambo
November 9, 2007, 11:57 PM
I'm looking to Load some 7.62x54Rs using the Sierra .311 174gr BTHP Match King. In need of Data for backing them with either IMR4895 or IMR4064. COL also!

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trueblue1776
November 10, 2007, 12:34 AM
H4350 is all I use in anything close to 174gr. I'm dying to find out what 7.62x54R rifle can make decent use of a Match King ;).

Hodgdon has data for the 180gr Swift Scirocco online, which has a very similar sectional to the Sierra, you could use that data.

http://data.hodgdon.com/

Clark
November 10, 2007, 10:00 AM
49 gr. IMR4895, 180 gr. Sierra 2310, 3.002" OAL, measured 2873 fps with 29" barrel.

I have hunted with this for a couple years, but I know someone who has hunted with that Sierra bullet for a long time.

lencac
November 10, 2007, 01:35 PM
I too have been playin with the 7.62x54r in my M44 lately also. I know, I know putting .311 dia. 174 gr. Sierra Match Kings through a $79 rifle is like putting pearls on a pig but nevertheless I am. This M44 has had the bayonet removed and the sleeve cut just behind the sight portion of the sleeve so the sight can be reinstalled minus the stupid bayonet thing. The rear sight has been worked to allow it to sight correctly at 100 yrds. and did a weebit of trigger work. Other than this being a like new M44 it is just a $79 POS.
But this is what I have loaded for it.
All these loads are using Norma brass, and CCI mag primers.
IMR 4895 44.0 gr.
IMR 4064 45.5 gr.
IMR 4320 47.0 gr.
IMR 4350 51.0 gr.
H380 51.0 gr.
The best groups was with the H380 though and the bullet seated .025 in. off the lands. (see pic)
I have all this stuff for the 7.62x54r because I also own a 91/30 sniper which is another story. But I recently purchased this M44 and thought I'd ring it out a bit to see if a $79 POS can shoot worth a darn. I think I just found my new perfect hunting rifle. :)
Note: it also shoots .311 dia. 150 gr. soft point flat base very simular with 1 gr. more powder. Only about 4 inches higher.
All these loads show no excessive signs of pressure either.
But be sure to slug the barrel so you know for sure the dimensions of the bore.
Is there something wrong with the fact that a $79 rifle will do this?

Lambo
November 10, 2007, 03:10 PM
Thanks all!
Note: I paid considerably more for my M44s. Both Factory New Unissued, The Polish & Hungarian Versions.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/RWLambo/Gun%20Photos/Mosin-NagantM441.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/RWLambo/Gun%20Photos/PolishM44.jpg

trueblue1776
November 10, 2007, 03:13 PM
Good lord! I have never seen such a thing! Where's the cosmoline? :D

strat81
November 10, 2007, 04:32 PM
Holy shlimola... a new Mosin. That's a fine firearm, sir!

lencac
November 11, 2007, 02:56 AM
Without a doubt that has to be the nicest Mosin in existance. Never seen such a thing ...... amazing :what:

1lostinspace
November 11, 2007, 03:28 AM
where do you get your 7.62x54r brass?

lencac
November 11, 2007, 04:25 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=1&Categoryid=7423&categorystring=9315***652***670***9013***

trueblue1776
November 11, 2007, 11:34 AM
I, personally, have decided that buying unprimed 7.62x54R is a suckers game. Price around for loaded Wolf Gold, WWB, and Prvi. If you run the numbers you are getting the brass for a decent price plus bullets, primers, and powder, for cheaper than you can make them with Norma or Lapua brass.

Even considering Graf (Prvi) brass, you come out ahead buying your reloadable cases loaded. Wolf Gold is excellent brass, and the loaded ammo is remarkably accurate. I bought mine for $13.00/20, compare that to Norma empty brass @ $20+/20.

1lostinspace
November 11, 2007, 11:49 AM
why doesn't winchester sale brass they make the ammo.
I would never buy brass at that price for my $75 m38

trueblue1776
November 11, 2007, 03:25 PM
Win x54R brass is made by Prvi, retailers sell the same brass with the Prvi head stamp.

lencac
November 12, 2007, 01:30 AM
Here's some thoughts. The Norma brass I have used over and over again. Like a good commie mind set it's not how well you shoot but how much you shoot. Wolf ammo has to be the worst shooting, dirtiest I've ever experienced. Will never try that crap again. I know this eludes some of you but when I shoot I like trying to put all the bullets through the same hole. This requires not cheap but quality components. If cost is a major factor for some of you then perhaps knitting would be a better suited hobby :neener: Try getting your Wolf or whatever kind of garbage there is out thereto do this :p

Clark
November 12, 2007, 10:18 AM
I started out with S&B ammo, re using the brass.
I switched to Lapua brass, and it is very high quality.

http://www.grafs.com/metallic/776

trueblue1776
November 12, 2007, 12:27 PM
lencac-
Have you tried Wolf Gold? I could be really lucky, but my experience has been very good with it. My reloads are more accurate, but I use a different bullet profile, which is set much farther out than possible with factory rounds.

I know Norma and Lapua are top notch brass, but I can't quite understand how it's any different than the others after it's all been shot, sized, trimmed, and pocket/flash hole uniformed.

I own some Lapua and Norma brass, it's good, but I can't do anything with it that I can't already do with Wolf or Prvi brass. Maybe it's just me.

lencac
November 12, 2007, 01:18 PM
trueblue when I got my Norma and Lapua brass there really was not the availablity of loaded ammo in boxer primed reloadable brass cases. In recent years this has changed. At the time the only boxer primed loaded ammo was commercial and it cost like $35 for a box of 20. I have used my brass enough to make the cost minimal. There is differences in brass though. Lapua is very soft and has thin walls to the point that at times when pressing in a flat base round it will push back the shoulder. Especially if it is sized with a .308 expander ball. I shoot only .311 dia. bullets from my Mosins. Some brass also has up to .002 in. thickness variation in wall thickness causing the case to "banana" when fired and cooled causing excessive runout on the next reloading. And of course the usual flash hole burrs, centering and pocket depth. Norma is by far the best out there. When I got mine I think I paid 50 cents a piece for it and have used it numerous times. Have not had a case separation yet but I only neck size them after fireformed to the chamber and the same brass is always used from the same firearm. Anyway that's my story and I'm stickin to it :)

Lambo
November 13, 2007, 11:57 PM
I've been reloading the Winchester & Wolf Gold Brass!
I've found the WG Primer Pockets are deeper than Winchester, they set below flush with base.
Note: Same results using CCI, Wichester & Federal LR Caps!
Others here experiencing the same?

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