Why not a HUGE capacity .380?


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Hokkmike
November 11, 2007, 11:37 PM
I was just wondering, given the preference of many for 15-17 round magazines in their 9mm's, why somebody doesn't come up with a pistol that loads 20 - 25 rounds of .380's into a magazine.

I do know one guy, with a GLOCK 37, that says he has an extended 29 round magazine for his .40 caliber pistol. I have not seen it.

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Spartacus451
November 11, 2007, 11:40 PM
The magazine would have to be too long. Once you have double stacked you can't get any more in there without adding length.

Seven For Sure
November 11, 2007, 11:42 PM
.380 and 9mm are the same diameter, you won't get any more .380 in a mag than 9mm. The 37 is .45GAP. Those Scherer mag's are for .40 and they don't even work well for the .40 they are designed for.

GunNut
November 11, 2007, 11:43 PM
The case diameter of the 9mm and .380 are the same. So why not just go with a 20-25 round 9mm handgun?

Conqueror
November 11, 2007, 11:56 PM
Ha, yep. I think OP has mixed up OAL with diameter.

lee n. field
November 12, 2007, 12:08 AM
Why not a HUGE capacity .380?

Why? There wouldn't be much benefit.

The magazine's going to be the same length as the equivalent capacity 9mm, give or take a few percent.

Harry Paget Flashman
November 12, 2007, 12:19 AM
(Ps-s-s-t! CZ-83. 12 rounds.) :)

Hoppy590
November 12, 2007, 12:19 AM
The case diameter of the 9mm and .380 are the same. So why not just go with a 20-25 round 9mm handgun?

why not go with a 9mm pocket pistol?!

iv been asking for it for a while. a 9mm Browning 1903 pockethammerless

dfariswheel
November 12, 2007, 12:59 AM
The whole purpose of the .380 is as a very small, compact "pocket pistol".

Increase the magazine capacity and the gun is no longer compact, and you might as well get a full 9mm.

In the 1960's Mauser reintroduced the Mauser HSc, which was one of the famed small pocket autos of the 1930's.
They made it for a few years, then sold or leased the design to the Gamba company of Italy.
They made the gun as-is for a time, then during the high capacity craze in the 1970's and 80's they altered it to a double stack 10 round gun.
Problem was, this made the butt wider and much longer, ruining the compactness.
It didn't sell and was soon dropped.

Again, a high capacity .380 defeats the purpose. If you want an higher capacity gun, buy a 9mm.

canterbury
November 12, 2007, 01:20 AM
Bersa offers the Thunder 380 Plus which holds 15 rounds.

bl4ckd0g
November 12, 2007, 02:00 AM
There's a discontinued Taurus pistol based on the PT-9xx medium frame that has 17 round capacity mags. You might be able to find it on GB.

Geronimo45
November 12, 2007, 02:09 AM
Same size as 9mm, diameter-wise. Now, you could make a very high-cap .25 or .32... the CZ 83 that holds 12-13 .380 rounds holds 15 .32s. No idea how many .25s it could hold. In a Beretta 92-sized package... probably around 17-20 .32s.

Halo is for Kids
November 12, 2007, 02:22 AM
Hi-cap .380's are great for countries that don't allow civilian ownership of military calibers. I don't care to own one for the reasons already stated by others.

Glock 25's and 28's are available overseas with factory 19 round mags as an option.

There's a 19+1 Taurus .380 that's been "coming soon" for awhile. I've heard it's now available stateside:
http://www.falconarmas.com.br/shop/images/PISTOLA%20PT%2058%20HC%20PHUS%20OXI.jpg
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=457&category=Pistol

ugaarguy
November 12, 2007, 02:29 AM
The Grendel P-12 is one of the smallest double stack .380s I'm aware of. Note that the Glock 19 and 26 pistols are also available in .380 as the models 25 and 28 with the same magazine capacities as their 9mm brethren- they just don't qualify for US import.

rdrancher
November 12, 2007, 02:30 AM
iv been asking for it for a while. a 9mm Browning 1903 pockethammerless

Or maybe a 9mm Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless?

rd

WJR
November 12, 2007, 02:30 AM
Sorry for my previous comments.

I should have said, because not enough of a market exists for high capacity .380 when other alternatives are available, such as 9mm.

WJR

ugaarguy
November 12, 2007, 04:36 AM
WJR, there are folks who have physical limitations who can't handle larger calibers. It may be something they were born with, it may be the result of arthritis, it may be the result of an injury. It may just be old age where these iron men, veterans of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam are getting on in years, and their hands and wrists just cant take shooting their 1911s anymore. It may be a Desert Storm, Southern Watch, Northern Watch, OEF, or OIF veteran who can no longer shoot a heavier recoiling gun because of an injury sustained while serving their country. Think about that before you call folks names just because they want a smaller caliber.

Sylvan-Forge
November 12, 2007, 04:56 AM
Just for sake of clarity, the .380 ACP case-head diameter is a tiny bit smaller than the 9x19 mm head though they both use .355" diameter bullets. Perhaps that extra bit might allow a solitary additional cartridge in an already large capacity magazine that has some wiggle room.

grimjaw
November 12, 2007, 05:09 AM
Because .380 is for wankers who cannot handle 9mm or especially .45 acp.

. . . and you frequent The High Road for what reason again?

RE: .380 high cap, I agree with the sentiment that it's a great round for subcompact guns, not so much for full sized pistols.

jm

Moonclip
November 12, 2007, 05:31 AM
One of the semi auto mac 11 clones maybe? They are still fairly small and are technically handguns. I'm not a big fan of the hi cap .380 either but I'm fairly happy with my CZ 83 and my hi cap Russian Makarov is ok. I shot a Taurus Pt58 before and it was serviceable. But it was in the size class of a Glock 19.

Jimmy Newman
November 12, 2007, 06:05 AM
The general sort of idea has been used before... there was a subgun called the American-180 which was full auto, 1200rpm, and started out with a 176 round magazine of .22LR. They later made up to 275 round magazines. Interestingly, it was designed by Dick Casull, who was also responsible for the .454 Casull. He went a lot of different directions.

I think the real reason is that if people are going to carry a big enough pistol to carry 15+ rounds of a small caliber that is often considered "marginal," they'd rather carry a larger caliber that has a better chance of stopping a fight with fewer shots.

Hokkmike
November 12, 2007, 08:24 AM
WJR - Ouch!

ldp4570
November 12, 2007, 10:03 AM
Seems to me there are alot of folks who have never handled or shot a Beretta 84 or a Browning BDA380. I have the BDA and its a fantastic shooter.

strat81
November 12, 2007, 11:50 AM
Because .380 is for wankers who cannot handle 9mm or especially .45 acp.
Actually, recoil on many .380 caliber guns is WORSE than 9mm or 45 because the 380 often uses a blowback system.

19-3Ben
November 12, 2007, 02:18 PM
awww. now I wanna know what WJR said!!!

Hoppy590
November 12, 2007, 03:17 PM
Or maybe a 9mm Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless?

same thing. in America they are colts, elsewhere they are FN Brownings. i choose the latter designation

BlindJustice
November 12, 2007, 03:25 PM
because the .380 or 9x18 is built on
platforms as a class are called pocket guns

if you want a high cap get a 9 x 19

RyanM
November 12, 2007, 03:27 PM
Get a Mac 11 in .380. Sounds like what you're looking for. Master Piece Arms makes semi-auto ones, I believe.

edit: Darn, no .380. I guess you'd have to get a real Mac 11, then.

tnieto2004
November 12, 2007, 03:33 PM
Because a 9mm is so much better! And a lot cheaper

the naked prophet
November 12, 2007, 06:23 PM
Although there wouldn't be much more capacity, the recoil would be significantly less if you put it in the same size gun. Imagine a Glock 19 rebarreled to .380 auto with a lighter recoil spring. Way less recoil... and less powerful too.

Could be fun though.

dasmi
November 12, 2007, 06:29 PM
How about a HUGE capacity 7.62x25?

Headless
November 12, 2007, 06:34 PM
My good friend has a browning BDA .380 that is an awesome pistol. They make extended 30 rounds mags for it - I bought him one for his birthday. It's comically long, but tons of fun to blast away with. The BDA .380 comes with 13 round factory mags which is reasonable, i think - my much larger s&w 659 9mm only holds 14 and it's a much bigger grip.

32 Magnum
November 12, 2007, 06:45 PM
I owned a Bersa Model 85 - it took 13 round magazines - it was a good concept in its time, but was hardly a pocket pistol - too big. We now have 9mm pistols around the same size with the same capacity, some even smaller. Good deal in South America where you can't own military caliber firearms - cuts down on the armed rebellions or so they think. Hey, you get what you can handle. I got a 30 round mag for the Bersa 85 - it was fun to shoot, but even at a double stack length, wouldn't fit in my pocket.

bpisler
November 13, 2007, 04:08 AM
Taurus is/was making a Mil-pro 380
with a 12 round mag,it's a locked
breach design so felt recoil should
be very low.

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