Looks like a bino pouch or first aid kid on your belly band.
July 17, 2003, 07:18 PM
I have used one previously and also do so while backpacking. Primarily with a MK series Kahr or a j frame. They use the same size safepacker. Hidden in plain sight. I hate pocket holsters for the most part as I fell I keep to much junk in them already
July 17, 2003, 08:17 PM
I have one for my Sig, works well, as noted above, does not look like a holster. Not a real speedy draw, but not made to be. It is very secure though and protects the pistol well.
July 17, 2003, 10:09 PM
I've had one for a few months for my XD-9. A great bag for storage or moving to and from the car. Discreet carry, no way. What else could be in that package? It's a well made product but I wouldn't even think about walking around in public with one of these on my belt. I'd love to have someone convince me otherwise but to me it's like a fanny pack labeled "here's the gun". I spent $50 on this thing, please tell me I'm wrong!
July 18, 2003, 12:33 AM
July 18, 2003, 01:15 AM
there are holsters like that for the kel tec p32. people think you're wearing a palm pilot.
July 18, 2003, 09:47 AM
I've go one that fits my Kimber Compact/SIG 228/HK USP45C, walked around VT two weeks ago with it on a shoulder strap, no one noticed, even my family just hought it was the Eagle Creek bag I nornally carry. I added a little carabiner for my keys, so it just looks very ordinary. It is a bit big and clunky for on-belt wear, but as mentioned, it's quite discrete for moving gun to/from car.
I also have a DeSantis EZRider for my Tomcat. It's paddle mounted, for easy on & off and as mentioned, it looks like something for a PalmPilot, goes completly unnoticed.
July 18, 2003, 10:03 AM
this is what i'm talking about when I say looks like a palm pilot, i mean it REALLY looks like a palm pilot. If i regularly packed a p32/p3at this is definately a holster i would own.
July 19, 2003, 11:31 AM
Why would you not want to carry a P32 in a pocket holster. To me some of these rigs scream "GUN!" and that Palm Pilot lookalike looks like a nightmare to draw from.
With pocket holsters, everything is concealed and you can slip your hand onto the grip if you see potential trouble approaching whilst making it appear that you're just casually strolling along with your hand in your pocket. If you need to draw, the gun comes from nowhere, and it comes fast.
July 22, 2003, 12:24 AM
I'm gonna have to look at this thing. It sure looks a lot more stealthy than my MMM fannypack.
I'll get by the Mesquite gunshow this weekend and see for myself, provided somebody has one there.
July 22, 2003, 12:54 AM
Gun people know what to look for, sheeple ain't lookin' at all.:rolleyes:
July 22, 2003, 12:57 AM
Safepackers are just as sweet by any other name ;)
July 22, 2003, 09:54 AM
Skunkabilly, how do you like it? What are you carrying in it? I have been looking for something JUST LIKE that, to carry a GLOCK 26 or 19 in.
Is it as bad as huaco describes it. I wear shorts and t-shirt all the time, and have a hard time concealing them. Nothing like hide in the open.
July 22, 2003, 10:38 AM
that Palm Pilot lookalike looks like a nightmare to draw from.
American handgunner did a small review on it, It was supposedly very easy and quick. It was actually partially designed by one of the guys from american handgunner.
July 22, 2003, 07:34 PM
Its NOT a traditinal ccw holster, its designed for carrying a gun while you are doing S&R work, your gun won't scare the folks you are rescuing, and nothing protrudes to catch in rapelling lines, etc.
And when I backpack, I like to have a gun handy that won't scare the other hikers. Safepaker looks like the way to go.
July 22, 2003, 08:16 PM
If nothing else, the Safepacker is the world's greatest soft pistol case. Good for wandering out in the sticks, too.
I have two, and will probably get more.
July 22, 2003, 08:34 PM
This is a little off the topic but I have always had a problem with gun carry in something that looks like something else. What if someone asks you to see what the palm pilot looks like. You know, "Hey, what model do you have there?", kind of thing.
If I were carrying among strangers, I wouldn't really care as no one will probably ask you about it. But when carrying among people familiar to you, I think that it is highly probable someone will accidently call your bluff. What do you think?
July 22, 2003, 10:46 PM
Well the only people that might ask me that I would care if I hurt their feelings by saying "no" would be ones that know or could guess that I carry.
The other thing is that you can honestly say that you "don't let other people use it for security reasons". :)
July 22, 2003, 10:56 PM
Back in pre-CCW days they were legal to use for carry in AZ as they were marketed as a holster/scabbard. A firearm wasn't considered concealed if the holster was partially visible. Even the Atty. Gen. issued a positive opinion about its legality. The 2 smaller sizes carry well on the belt and I could comfortably wear one all day with a J-frame or a Colt Diamondback. The larger sizes are too cumbersome for belt carry IMHO. At one time they made a smaller one for .25's and other mouseguns called either "Storekeeper" or "Shopkeeper" I believe. Used it for my TPH. I still use them on occasion, especially in the summer.
They are excellent handgun cases as they are very well made and durable. They may seem a little pricey but the four I have have been well worth it.
July 23, 2003, 12:11 AM
I'd like to get back into this subject and say that I agree with Chris completely that the Safepacker is a great soft pistol case. After making the rather strong statement that the Safepacker is not a great discreet carry method I realize that my post was more negative than I intended it to be though I did say some good things about it. I too have thought about getting another or two for my other pistols in spite of the fact that I think a LEO or BG and even some others might recognise it as an indication that I am carrying. I've seen the words "concealed is concealed" many times and that means it needs to be done very well. That precludes mystery bags, noticable bulges, and obvious gun outlines in pockets. In these forums I see a tendency to divide people into categories of sheeple who see nothing and us in guys who see it all. The fact is that it's more complicated than that because there are people who are intelligent and very observant that don't like guns. There are also criminals who are intelligent and observant who will target someone they think is carrying and LEOs who will notice the signs and see a danger because they don't know if we are legal or not until they ask. If you want to buyy a Safepacker do so but realize that it is not the ultimate concealed carry solution. Despite what I said earlier I don't regret buying one even though I bought it expecting too much. Maybe I'm wierd. I don't do sneaky very often but when I do it I try to do it well.
July 25, 2003, 10:50 PM
I carry a Palm IIIxe every day at work in a zippered case that fits in my shirt chest pocket. I used to take comfort in the fact that a P32 could easily replace the PDA in that case and that I had a foolproof carry method if I needed it. It's verboten to carry at work, btw.
One day my boss, who is a gun owner too, and knowledgable about concealed carry (but one of these annoying souls who votes Democrat and thinks we don't need "assault rifles") is standing next to me, reaches out and picks the case out of my shirt pocket, and unzips it to examine the contents. Of course my Palm was there, but I believe he suspected something else. There's a moral to this story.
July 26, 2003, 06:42 AM
The moral is, your boss obviously is not from the South, or he would not have been rude enough to touch someone else's property. If he had, he would have been shown the error of his ways.
July 26, 2003, 07:51 AM
The moral is, your boss obviously is not from the South, or he would not have been rude enough to touch someone else's property. If he had, he would have been shown the error of his ways. Aint that the truth. I was in a simular situation once, and was unemployed before he stood back up.
Back on topic: I've never really looked at one, might have to now.
October 2, 2003, 12:31 AM
Well it came in yesterday. Some of the AzN youf carry messenger bags so I don't stick out much. Will tote it around more and see how I like this style of carry.
October 2, 2003, 12:51 AM
Whatcha gonna carry in it?
October 2, 2003, 02:49 AM
Right now my P7M8. I bought it to fit a USPC as I plan to put a P2000 in it some day. The USPC fits in the 'Commander' model and the P7 fits in the 'Officers' model.
October 2, 2003, 12:19 PM
However, I do own a "Boxter" with a shark skin "flap" for my Seecamp. It's actually pretty easy to draw my pistol.
Just unsnap and pull out the bad news for the BG. Pretty good way to conceal.
Fairly fast draw.
October 9, 2003, 02:39 PM
I use one for hiking. Never had anyone give me a second look. I strap it on the wide belt of my backpack. I've practiced drawing and it is slow but the holster is secure.
October 9, 2003, 10:39 PM
Ok, does the whole pack come off when you draw? All the pics I see show the pack in hand. That would be very inconvienient if I wanted the pack to stay on me.
Anyone else think this looks like some sort of CD case?
Perp comes up, says give me your CD player.
I draw 10mm, perp craps his pants. Unfortunately, he will be thinking "Soft CD case = free gun" from now on.
Looks like a great carry rig for my mom in the truck though. That or a fanny pack.
October 10, 2003, 02:57 AM
It can be adapted to a fanny pack though it may be an expensive solution.
I carry it as an over the shoulder bag, most people think it's a..well...black purse for man stuff I guess :rolleyes:
It has a shoulder strap, I keep it in front of me instead of to the side so I can control it or access with either hand.
October 10, 2003, 05:45 AM
No, not as a fanny pack. It looks like it mounts to your belt. However, in pictures of draw, it is in the guy's hand. Is it always like that, or is it mounted to your belt unless you do something other than open the pack.
Also, it says that it can carry 1 or 2 mags extra. Does the government model have the capability of carrying 2 extra?
October 11, 2003, 12:45 AM
I have the Commander model and carry two spares for my P7M8 in it, for whatever that's worth...
October 11, 2003, 05:19 PM
Is there something on the inside of the Safepacker that secures the pistol and mags? Something like velcro straps maybe? They advertize those things as a way to keep a pistol and some relads in a "ready to go" mode.
October 11, 2003, 05:45 PM
I'm gonna get the Govt+1 , as it will fit everything I would want to carry . I look forward to putting it on the waist belt of my backpack when hiking!;)
October 11, 2003, 07:06 PM
I posted the same question to Wilderness. This is their response.Mike, I probably wasn't clear enough laying out those photos. I'll reorder them. Those are two different methods of carrying the Safepacker. The belt-mounted carry stays very securely on the belt. The hand carry is an alternate that works quite well around town.
The Government should handle the Witness fine, but with only one double-column magazine. The mag pouch holds one high-capacity wide-body mag, or two single-column mags.
Hope that helps. Thanks for your interest in our products and have a good weekend.
Michael J. Novack
Wilderness Tactical Products, L.L.C.
Toll free order line: 1-800/775-5650
Fax line: 602/242-8260Kinda nice that you can do both.:)
October 12, 2003, 02:21 AM
Nothing but the snug fit of the gun to keep it in place. It keeps it in place surprisingly well, though.
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