Step father had an OLD Winchester autoloader 12 ga shotgun...you actually chambered a round by grasping the barrel and pushing it down. Anyone able to id this model...maybe have a pic of it?
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November 14, 2007, 12:22 AM
Probably the 1911 Self Loading (S.L.), also sold as the Model 11 S.L.; http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/win_model_11_Win_model_1911.jpg
November 14, 2007, 01:08 AM
Thats it! Thank you!!!
November 14, 2007, 12:14 PM
That Winchester is interesting mainly because of the way the designer (T.C. Johnson) had to work around Browning's patents. One of the features of the Browning autoloader that Browning held the patent on was the operating handle; the result was the knurled barrel.
Other problems, like heavy recoil and the need to use a buffer that wore out rapidly, made the gun less than wildly popular. Only some 103,246 were made from 1911 to 1928. There is some collector interest, more than usual for a shotgun, but only if the gun is in near new condition. Many are, because the original owners fired them a few times, rubbed their shoulders, stashed the gun in the back of the closet, and went out to buy a Remington.
November 14, 2007, 01:31 PM
I would like to have one strictly as a collectors item. Adding it to my collectors list. Winchester Model 11, Browning A5 (need two one to shoot one to keep), Remington Model 24...others to come.
November 14, 2007, 01:48 PM
They didn't call them Suicide Specials for nothing either!
More then one guy blew half his hand or head off trying to load or unload one of the darn things.
Using the muzzle end of the barrel for the cocking handle was not the smartest gun invention anyone ever came up with.
But I guess he had no choice without infringing John Brownings patent.