12-Ga. Salt-Rock Loads?


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John917
November 15, 2007, 10:31 AM
Does anyone know how to load a 12-Ga. with salt rocks? I have been wanting to make a few, but don't want to risk blowing up the barrel-or myself. Also, what kind of salt does one use for making these? The type sold at grocery stores for water softeners? Or, what is a good zytel-like material to reload them with? I am interested in making nonlethal loads.

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griz
November 15, 2007, 10:57 AM
I always wonder why people started using something even more corrosive than black powder to shoot from a gun.

But anyway I have never loaded them myself as I have no use for less lethal loads. I assume it's the coarse rock salt that they use on driveways and sidewalks, but I could be wrong.

taliv
November 15, 2007, 10:58 AM
i should apply for a patent on gummy bear loads

enfield
November 15, 2007, 10:59 AM
If you don't intend to kill something, you shouldn't be shooting a gun at it. Find another tool.

yesit'sloaded
November 15, 2007, 11:01 AM
Theboxotruth.com actually did some testing with rock salt loads. If I remember right they are useless outside of ten yards but will still kill at very close range.

627PCFan
November 15, 2007, 11:27 AM
just cut the pedals off AA wads and shoot them. It hurts more-

alucard0822
November 15, 2007, 12:17 PM
If you are forced in a position to fire ANY gun at someone, it should be loaded with the most effective load you can use, I would suggest slugs or 000,00 or 0 buck, POSSIBLY #4 buck if overpenetration is a major concern. Rock salt can kill at close range, ands bounces off of skin further out. That doesn't even get into corrosion problems, or gouging if there are any harder minerals mixed in with the salt. But to play devils advocate, yes to load grocery store rock salt, just use a light trap load, and substitute salt for shot by volume, not by weight, use the wad called for, and crimp as normal. it will give you a fast, but light load, no-where near dangerous pressure. If the intent is a creative way to "keep them dern kids off de lawn", a hose with a good nozzle is still probably the best, and brandishing a hose with intent to spray is not a felony, at least not yet.

cyclist
November 15, 2007, 12:24 PM
I was told in younger days that rock salt loads were to basically add insult to injury, the burn of the salt in the open wound.

I think paintball guns and ammo have replaced rock salt loads these days, mark them if you don't want to possibly kill them. At least that's how some folks seem to think.

jlbraun
November 15, 2007, 12:37 PM
Using rock salt in a shotgun as a deterrent is stupid. A shotgun is a lethal weapon, and using any lethal weapon as a deterrent is stupid and legally inadvisable.

lil ski
November 15, 2007, 12:41 PM
I have uses coco wheats in a 38 to get bats out of a barn. It just stuns them and you don't have to patch the roof. But I don't think rock salt in a shot gun is a good idea.

Cannonball888
November 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
Use bean bag loads. Also, if you shoot enough of them into the ground you'll have a garden.

Roccobro
November 15, 2007, 01:47 PM
At almost $2 a round, that would be an expensive way to start your crop! :D


To the OP, sorry I don't have anything constructive to help answer your question. But it IS a good question.

There have been times I've wanted to shoot my horses doing bad habits in the middle of the pasture. Paintballs would either welt at close ranges, or miss at farther. Throwing rocks was the most effective even if 90% missed. :o Would be nice to have a light load of salt for the naughty animals knowing it prob wouldn't penetrate at 40-75 yard but would definitely stop the bad activities with noise and touch sensations.

30-30 for the coyotes.

Justin

macFarlaine
November 15, 2007, 02:15 PM
Back in the good old days our game keepers used to shoot poachers with something coated in salt.Not sure if it was pellet form...

AndyC
November 15, 2007, 02:19 PM
Urban legend, for the most part.

strat81
November 15, 2007, 02:29 PM
Box ' Truth Salt testing: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm
Lessons learned:
1. At 20 yards, you might scare a dog or some other animal, but you sure wouldn't break the skin.

2. At 10 yards, you might break the skin with a couple of grains, but nothing very serious.

3. At 12 feet, you might get the desired effect, if the desired effect is to "burn" the target with the rock salt.

4. At 4 feet, you might cause a wound requiring a visit to a hospital for a human, or maybe death to a small animal.

5. Movie plots that show someone "burning" a bad guy at across-the-yard distances are hogwash.

6. Rock salt makes a pitiful personal defense load, as if we didn't already know that.

Got home and broke out the Tampax and soapy water, and got to work cleaning the barrel of the shotgun. I'm not going to take the chance of leaving salt deposits in the barrel.

I then ran very hot water through the barrel and dried it completely. Then cleaned and oiled it as normal.

I then returned the plated 00 Buckshot to the magazine. If I ever have to "burn" a bad guy, he's not going to have any doubts or complaints about lack of penetration.

Shooting stuff is fun, even if it is something as silly as rock salt loads in a shotgun.smilie

rcmodel
November 15, 2007, 02:34 PM
It's not an urban legend.
People really did that.

But as has been adequately explained already, it's a very bad idea.

1. Corrosive beyond belief.
2. A very limited range due to the rock-salts very light weight.
3. It might make it past 10 yards with enough velocity to sting.
4. But at 5 yards it might blow a hole in your hide big enough to kill ya!!
5. Probably illegal to shoot any animal with it. The SPCA will getcha if they catch ya!
6. For sure in the same league from a cops or lawyers point of view as shooting a person with a lead-shot load.

My dad tried it once when I was a kid, about 50 years ago.
He pulled the shot from some 12ga shells and loaded them with rock salt to discourage a bull that liked to tear down fences. They didn't do anything at all to the bull at 20 yards or so.

He did find #8 quail loads to be quite effective between 30 & 40 yards however.

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Eric F
November 15, 2007, 04:12 PM
Ive got it load half with corse kosher salt and half pepper corns. Blast a side of beef :what:at 10 yards and grill to your likeing:D Call it a seasoning load.

ATAShooter
November 15, 2007, 04:27 PM
I use uncooked rice.

macFarlaine
November 15, 2007, 04:32 PM
ERIC F,you should be on one of those tv cookery channels.

plexreticle
November 15, 2007, 04:35 PM
I think it's generally a bad idea to point a gun at something you don't want dead.

Eric F
November 15, 2007, 06:04 PM
macFarlaine-ERIC F,you should be on one of those tv cookery channels Well I am the fire Station Chef on duty:)

I think it's generally a bad idea to point a gun at something you don't want dead.Not that I would do it with rock salt but a few buddies and I got the bright idea to load earplugs and primers in 357 mag cases and load up and play house clearing-bad guy before frangible bullets/air soft was around But safety was always carried out to the max with doing this.

CSA 357
November 15, 2007, 06:04 PM
AS a kid this is what we were so scared of, and the reason i can sneak up on a bedded deer, i wanted no part of that rock salt! today i see no need for these loads, i wouldnt shoot them from any of my scatter guns, so whats the need for them? csa

scrat
November 15, 2007, 06:12 PM
i had a friend about 20 years ago that loaded up a bunch of rounds with rock salt. Claimed just that to use them for home defense. he had the rock salt rounds two of them followed by buck shot. He even gave me some. I did not care too much to keep 12 guage shells with rock salt. So i took them out to the range and shot them. When i pulled the trigger. Its like i fired nothing. I knew they were loaded with rock salt as you can see it. But when you pulled the trigger. At 30 yards you could not see it hit any thing. its like it disolved in the air.

AirplaneDoc
November 15, 2007, 11:10 PM
I believe the Union Pacific Railroad Police used rock salt in shotguns in order to keep hobo's and bums out of box cars at one time. I am pretty sure this is not the case today

Car Knocker
November 15, 2007, 11:51 PM
I am pretty sure this is not the case today
And you'd be right.

RyanM
November 16, 2007, 11:42 AM
I have uses coco wheats in a 38 to get bats out of a barn. It just stuns them and you don't have to patch the roof. But I don't think rock salt in a shot gun is a good idea.

and

There have been times I've wanted to shoot my horses doing bad habits in the middle of the pasture. Paintballs would either welt at close ranges, or miss at farther. Throwing rocks was the most effective even if 90% missed. Would be nice to have a light load of salt for the naughty animals knowing it prob wouldn't penetrate at 40-75 yard but would definitely stop the bad activities with noise and touch sensations.

Are the main kinds of things I'd think rock salt loads would be good for. Scaring away animals, rather than people. The salt would add some teeth to the noise, since otherwise animals will quickly learn that all that banging is just a noise. At the local outdoor range, the songbirds and groundhogs aren't perturbed one bit by all the gunfire (although they may be deaf by now!).

Anyway, just driveway salt. Make sure you put it in a wad that will prevent the salt from touching the inside of the barrel. Clean the gun out good whenever you shoot them.

griz
November 16, 2007, 03:27 PM
Again, I've never tried rock salt, but I would be careful about shooting it at your horse to get its attention. If it's close enough for an effective "sting" then a "pellet" (grain?) to the eye might do damage.

41magsnub
November 16, 2007, 03:41 PM
Rock salt might be a little overkill for "teaching" a horse. I use an worn out crossman pump BB gun with 2 pumps to run cows away from my cabin (forest service open range land). A similar set up would work for a horse I would think.

qajaq59
November 17, 2007, 06:43 AM
If you want to end up having to boil your shot gun in order to clean it, the rock salt should work out just fine for you.

JNewell
November 17, 2007, 05:42 PM
Reading thess threads (which come up regularly) always makes me wonder who repealed Cooper's second commandment?

rcmodel
November 26, 2007, 10:53 AM
This just might be what you are looking for!

http://www.seasonshot.com/

But I'm not sure if it's real, or just an internet joke! :D

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Eric F
November 26, 2007, 03:43 PM
That was my idea sombody stole my copy right I call foul see post #17

mightyike
November 27, 2007, 06:13 PM
Years ago a neighbors dog used to use my yard as his territory....he marked and marked and dug up and killed small patches of grass. Our indoor dog urinated out front on the posts but not in the yard....but the neighbors dog was obsessed with territory.

So I bought and RWS pellet gun and thought, maybe I better shoot at something inanimate before shooting the dog. Hence I shot a block of wood and at 5 or 10 yards, the pellet went way in. So, I wasted my money. No way I was going to kill the neighbors dog.

Well, in the Dakotas (Bismarck) old man winter comes early....and it was a particularly cold December (1983) and I was amazed my wife was cleaning up so well after my dog, who did not have constipation. So one day over coffee, I said, "how do you keep the front yard so clean?" And she said, "I don't."

The next day I let my dog out for his morning do-do and he did a giant steaming dump. He came running into the house and the next door neighbors dog, Max, came running over and chowed down, engulfing in bolts, my steaming dogs dump.

After that Max and I not only became friends, I rewarded him for coming into my dogs territory.

Silver lining to a cloud...

true story.....I still laugh at how happy I was not to be too aggressive or intolerant.

gym
December 27, 2007, 10:56 AM
Gives a new meaning to "lets fire up a few steaks", pull, lol

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