9mm worth reloading?


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JonB
November 15, 2007, 05:45 PM
Title says it all. Is 9mm worth reloading in terms of price per round vs what you can buy for plinking ammo - ie 100 rd Winchester loose packs at wally world

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nunyadamnbiz
November 15, 2007, 05:47 PM
Kinda wondering the same here...for a 40 S&W....cause I know that the 100box winnes at wally are the cheapest around...almost makes you wonder....I too would love info on this...and will follow up on this post...sorry I couldnt help...I'll try googling this

callgood
November 15, 2007, 06:00 PM
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The first bin of 9mm out of my Dillon Square Deal B. I did 700 rounds in a couple of hours, which included mounting it in the garage and cleaning it and returning it to my gear closet in the house.

9.20/k I stopped buying from Wmart when it passed 11.00/k so someone will have to do the math for breakeven (Dillion was 319.00 from Brian Enos).

Not the most rewarding caliber to reload, but it's what I shoot the most of at the moment. I started reloading for 10mm on a single stage press I still have. You can save quite a bit reloading that caliber.

I'm thinking of buying a .45ACP conversion kit for the Dillon.

sublimaze41
November 15, 2007, 06:06 PM
You can save money regardless of caliber. I reload for many other reasons however.

deanodog
November 15, 2007, 06:21 PM
If you like the process of reloading and it gives you pleasure and relaxation then any caliber is worthwhile.

strat81
November 15, 2007, 06:24 PM
Yes, it is worth it. I can load 100rds of 9mm for less than $11. I could go cheaper if I used bulk powder and plated bullets.

N.M. Edmands
November 15, 2007, 06:34 PM
Very few people save money reloading- they spend as much as before and shoot more! :D

zxcvbob
November 15, 2007, 06:35 PM
It is if you can use cast bullets. Mine are costing me about 6 per cartridge, using commercial cast bullets that I bought last year before the price went crazy. When these bullets run out, I don't know if I'll buy more or start casting my own.

(No, my time is not worth much when I'm casting or reloading because they are hobbies)

trickyasafox
November 15, 2007, 06:40 PM
if you are willing to shoot lead and you save your brass savings are significant

65 bucks per k delivered for 120gr TC from penn bullet
20 bucks per k in primers
10 bucks in powder- depends on what you use, so this actually could be cheaper

brass- pretty much free, but if you have to buy it don't pay more than 20 per k

115 for the first k, 95 for subsequent

even if you shot wolf its 160 per k delivered from ammoman so no matter how you cut it your shooting better ammo for less money.

these prices are without trying hard either.

woodfiler
November 15, 2007, 07:50 PM
In the reloading section of GT there is a quickie formula to calcualte
cost per round and per 1K...

you'll save, unless your paying high prices for components.

wood

JonB
November 15, 2007, 07:54 PM
What is GT

Grandpa Shooter
November 15, 2007, 07:55 PM
Price per thousand depends a lot on how much you bought and when. I have an 8 lb keg of Accurate I paid less $60.00 for. Sure beats today's prices.

strat81
November 15, 2007, 07:58 PM
Glock Talk.

But we have our own link!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=18835
About midway through the thread is a ZIP file that has an Excel sheet that does it.

Steve H
November 15, 2007, 08:01 PM
I have an Excel spread sheet that does a good job of giving the cost of reloading. If anyone knows how to link or post it as an atachment let me know.

hapi
November 15, 2007, 08:16 PM
I'm glad I stocked up before lead prices sky rocketed;

$48 per k of FMJ ( i bought 10,000)
$18 per k of primers ( I bought 20,000)
$9 per k of poweder (I bought 8lb keg)
=$75 per K

The cast lead that I shoot is about $70 per K

It's well worth it to me because I'm not watching mindless TV when I'm reloading, I get to shoot more because my ammo is cheap and my ammo shoots better than cheap WWB.

rdhood
November 15, 2007, 08:22 PM
my cost is $9 per 100 vs. $15 per 100 at wally world (9mm)

and $11 per 100 vs $20 per 100 (.40 s&w)

XD-40 Shooter
November 16, 2007, 12:00 AM
Dick's sell Remington UMC by the case (10 boxes) for $6.98/box. Calculating the cost of component's from Midway for 9mm, it breaks down like this:

Bullets = $80 with shipping
Primers = $20 from my local gun show
Powder = $12.50 per pound, 8lb keg of Unique is $100 at Sportsmans Warehouse

Comes out to $112.50/1000, Dick's would be $140/1000, not really enough savings to justify reloading in my opinion.

PzGren
November 16, 2007, 02:04 AM
Comes out to $112.50/1000, Dick's would be $140/1000, not really enough savings to justify reloading in my opinion.



In my opinion it is a bad idea to compare the best price for loaded ammo to a bad price for components.
I just recenetly bought 124gr plated bullets for $50 delivered from Roze, I use Wolf primers for around $20, and less than $10 worth of Bullseye.

At 300 to 500 rounds per week it does make a difference to me.

hapi
November 16, 2007, 02:05 AM
xd-40,

the big savings comes from buying bulk, not by buying 1-2k worth of components. I'm loading 2k for the price that you pay for 1k at Dicks. I'm currently loading 115gr for plinking and 147gr subsonic rounds for suppressors; both loads are costing me the same (+/- a few pennies for differences in powder charges) because I bought in bulk. Get a group of your friends together and buy in bulk and save.

ymmv

Noxx
November 16, 2007, 03:05 AM
The cost of your bullets seems to make the biggest difference in the cost of reloading. I personally use 115gr plated for 9mm at about $50/K

Roccobro
November 16, 2007, 03:41 AM
The cost of your bullets seems to make the biggest difference in the cost of reloading. I personally use 115gr plated for 9mm at about $50/K

Where? I see Rainier for $68 but no plated for less. I know I'm not looking hard enough or I would have bought 5k already...

Justin

SilentArmy
November 16, 2007, 04:32 AM
Before the price of components went out of control, I was building a box of 9mm 115 Gr fmj for about $3.50-4.00 and now its about twice that or more! I do buy in bulk and shoot inexpensive bullets although I stay away from cast for my glocks sake. Right now, Winchester 115's are cheaper than Ranier plated so thats a go figure! If you put that $5-6/100 savings into a press (if you have the time) then you are saving $$. I put anything I may have saved into bulk components and store them as I have been loading for 14 yrs and NOT ONCE has anything gone DOWN in price in that time. I have found that when I load my own, I put some love into it and I enjoy shooting more although I don't tend to go nuts on the range and shoot alot more even though I built it for less $$. Instead, I tend to load several thousand of each caliber at a time and put them in ammo cans for when I am burned out on pulling that blue handle and need some stress relief!

RustyFN
November 16, 2007, 07:33 AM
I reload 9mm for around $7 per 100 and can load .40 for around the same price. The best part is that I can reload 223 for around $9 per 100. That makes it well worth my time.
Rusty

kestak
November 16, 2007, 08:51 AM
Greetings,

I use Wolf primers, Unique powder and FMJ winchester bullets from TJ conevera at 56$/1000. My cost per bullet is about 8 cents.

It definitively worths the reload.

Thank you

philbo
November 16, 2007, 10:18 AM
Where? I see Rainier for $68 but no plated for less. I know I'm not looking hard enough or I would have bought 5k already...


Not plated, but actual Win FMJ for $56/k shipped.

http://store.tjconevera.com/wb9fb115-9mm-115-gr-f.html

Noxx
November 16, 2007, 11:02 AM
Where? I see Rainier for $68 but no plated for less. I know I'm not looking hard enough or I would have bought 5k already...

I normall use Xtreme plated bullets, which should be available to ya locally as you are in berdoo. Price can vary a little depending on your retailer.

Altho, I am gonna have to jump on that link philbo just coughed up.

Kimber1911_06238
November 16, 2007, 11:04 AM
yes you can save money...but you also get better quality ammo

LubeckTech
November 16, 2007, 11:14 AM
That is a great price for FMJ but they don't look like they are suitable for indoor shooting. I heard a cridible gunshop owner say last night there is another price increase expected in January. I reload everything except .22 rimfire and .380 because I don't shoot my 1934 Beretta much and I hate .380 brass which invaribly gets mixed with my 9mm messing me up when I'm on a good roll in respect to my reloading cadence.

JonB
November 16, 2007, 11:33 AM
So basically I hear a lot of 'yes you can save IF you had stocked up before components got expensive'

I think I'll skip 9mm for now..... I know 10mm is way cheaper to reload and so is .223 so I'll stick with those. But I'll probably start saving 9mm brass :)

zxcvbob
November 16, 2007, 11:49 AM
Cast bullets are still about $36/k (http://www.mastercastbullets.com) and "Promo" powder is $76 for an 8# keg and Wolf primers are $19/k. (http://powdervalleyinc.com) Red Dot or Green Dot powders are $92 per keg and Accurate #2 is $61/5# if you don't want to use Promo.

So you can still load 9mm for less than $7.00/100 (it's closer to $6, but I rounded everything up to account for shipping charges) buying new components today -- if your gun can handle cast bullets.

strat81
November 16, 2007, 01:29 PM
So basically I hear a lot of 'yes you can save IF you had stocked up before components got expensive'
Just buy in bulk and you'll be fine. I didn't stock up before the price increases and I'm still cheaper than WWB plus my rounds aren't dirty.

JonB
November 16, 2007, 01:48 PM
Cool - so I need to decide on a load for my Springfield XD-9 and start watching for deals on components.

Thanks all -
Jon

callgood
November 16, 2007, 04:20 PM
JonB- So basically I hear a lot of 'yes you can save IF you had stocked up before components got expensive'

I think I'll skip 9mm for now..... I know 10mm is way cheaper to reload and so is .223 so I'll stick with those. But I'll probably start saving 9mm brass

The way I look at it, buy buying components in bulk you can have your own little time warp. You can buy the "makins" necessary to shoot years into the future, but you don't have to assemble them all at once. That way you can tinker around until you find a loading you like. Plus, you are covered in case of another "Great Primer Shortage" like we had in the '90s. I shoot a lot of Federal 150 primers. I can't find them now, but have 10-12k in my stash. I also put in a back order recently @105 for 5k which are out of stock and noticed they went up to 117 (and they're still out!). I called them and they said they would honor the price I ordered at.

Good idea to start saving the 9mm brass. I went to a defensive pistol class this summer and no one there reloaded.:D
I came home with around 1900 9mm, 3/4s of a .50cal can of .45ACP and around 1k .40S&W. The way I figure it, I recouped a little over half the tuition in brass!

Unfortunately, I didn't save $ in the long run. The .40S&W caused me to achieve critical mass in that caliber, so I bought a S&W 610 to shoot 10mm/.40ACP. Sometimes things don't work out like we want. Or, maybe they do!!;)

strat81
November 16, 2007, 04:25 PM
Jon, it looks like the best deal on powder right now is Alliant Promo. This is a no-frills powder targeted at high-volume shotgunners. You can use it in handguns using Red Dot load data. Another option is to use a low charge weight powder like Titegroup.

If your pistol can shoot them, cast bullets are pretty cheap, followed by plated, and finally jacketed.

Beware of ordering online, as primers and powder will incur a $20 hazmat charge, plus shipping. Gun shows are often good places to get that stuff.

Of course, save your brass. My favorite 9mm brass is Winchester, by far.

GaryL
November 16, 2007, 04:43 PM
So basically I hear a lot of 'yes you can save IF you had stocked up before components got expensive' Everything goes in cycles. Eventually components will come back down again (in relative terms). That cheap ammo you are buying now is only cheap because it was loaded a few months back with components purchased from a couple months before that. If you make a small bulk purchase now, you'll be able to shoot at todays prices a few months from now when the white box ammo has gone up another 30%.

The FMJ 9mm I'm loading now is running about 9 cents/rnd, but the JHP I loaded last month was closer to 7.5 cents per round. It pays to buy in bulk.

Noxx
November 16, 2007, 06:11 PM
Unfortunately, I didn't save $ in the long run. The .40S&W caused me to achieve critical mass in that caliber, so I bought a S&W 610 to shoot 10mm/.40ACP.

Haha, "critical mass". I like your way of putting it, I'll use that argument on the wife when one of the "calibers I don't own" buckets gets full in the garage.

RustyFN
November 16, 2007, 07:39 PM
So basically I hear a lot of 'yes you can save IF you had stocked up before components got expensive'

I think I'll skip 9mm for now.....
I am reloading for $7 to $8 per 100 on components I bought today not old components. If you shop around and buy in bulk you can buy cheap. I buy primers for $15.20 per 1,000, powder for $11 to $12 per pound and bullets where ever I find a deal.
Rusty

XD-40 Shooter
November 17, 2007, 12:04 AM
I'm actually saving a considerable amount of money loading 40 S&W rounds. My most recent batch, I bought :

3000 155 grain Rainier's for $225 with free shipping
5000 magtech primer's for $122
4 lbs of Unique for $58

Bullets and primer's were from midway, the $122 price was hazmat included, the powder came from sportmans warehouse.

Cost per round = 13.5 cents/round. Most factory 40 ammo is going for 30 cents/round. That's a big reduction in cost, but since I am now shooting 50%more ammo, I'm actually not saving anything, lol.:D

SilentArmy
November 17, 2007, 03:16 AM
Rusty, I'll take 10,000 of those <$16/1000 primers! Seriously. They are hovering at about $25/1000 here even in full sleeves.

RustyFN
November 17, 2007, 07:42 AM
SilentArmy you can buy 5,000 primers at Powder Valley for $90. I get the same 5,000 at Grafs with my C&R lisence for $80. That's why some friends and I buy them 50,000 at a time.
Rusty

dockmen027
November 17, 2007, 09:54 AM
If your looking for accuracy, the stuff form wally world doesn't produce. I ransom rested some in my Rock River bullseye 9mm at 50 yds and it wouldn't group, some of the rounds even tumbled. With my 115XTP loads, I can easily get 1 1/2 inch or better groups at 50 yds.

evan price
November 17, 2007, 12:51 PM
I am loading up 9mm 124-gr plinking ammo right now using Titegroup powder.
Titegroup is reduced volume powder, a little more expensive but you use a lot less, and it's clean.

Powder for a 9mm costs less than a penny.
Primers are 2.5 cents each.
Bullet is about 5.5 cents each.
Brass is free at the range.

So you're talking under nine cents each for 9mm 124-gr plinking stuff.

That's $9 a box of 100, using prices on stuff I bought within the past couple weeks.

Dicks' $6.98/50 REM UMC is the cheapest stuff I know of.
Figure you save $5 per hundred. I loaded 1000 9mm this summer, shot it all, and decided for the time involved I would buy 5K from Dicks and stash it and store all my 9mm reloading stuff for later.

Is that a great savings? Not really. IMHO it is right at the break-even point for me, if it gets up to $9.99 a box and stays there I will load all my 9mm.

I still load hot 9mm +p for my KelTec Sub 2K with Rainiers, but I will be switching to the TJ Convoveras, and that's all, right now.


Now, .45 ACP, .357, .44-mag, etc. those are where the money really comes out of the press.

I can't get .45 for less than $25 a hundred, and .357 is about $38 a hundred, .44 MAG is $45 a hundred.

I can load any one of those using lead hardcast bullets I bought online last month for about $9 a hundred for .45 and .357, or $10 a hundred for .44 mag. Add $5 a hundred for plated bullets.

So the larger the ammo the more your savings ratchets up.
If I load up all those thousand .44's I bought, I just paid for all my reloading gear with the savings.
Hollow, that, since it all winds up in a dirt berm anyway, though.
And we are not even touching on rifle.

XD-40 Shooter
November 17, 2007, 01:02 PM
Evan, I agree, I'm currently loading 357 mag for $12/100. Factory 357 JSP rounds are going for $20/50 and up. The savings are huge on 357, on the order of 60%.

2000 Remington 125 grain SJHP's.....$150
2 bricks of primers.........$40
4 lbs of Unique........$58

At 9 grains of Unique, I'm getting close to 800 rounds per pound, this load is extremely accurate in my revolver and chrono's 1320-1350 fps, excellent load.:D

rdhood
November 17, 2007, 07:44 PM
o basically I hear a lot of 'yes you can save IF you had stocked up before components got expensive'

I think I'll skip 9mm for now..... I know 10mm is way cheaper to reload and so is .223 so I'll stick with those. But I'll probably start saving 9mm brass

Not at all. I'm making them for 40% off at todays prices ($92 per thousand for 9mm), even if you buy once fired brass (if you split the cost of the brass over 10 reloads). $56(bullets)+$11(powder)+$22(primers)+$3(case wear)= $92 per thousand. You have to make about 3000 to make a kemph's reloading setup pay for itself.

CZ57
November 18, 2007, 01:04 AM
Cost is not the only factor. A good handload, more often than not, will be at least as accurate as factory Match ammo. Combine that with the savings and the answer= YES!;)

theCZ
November 18, 2007, 01:20 AM
When I was doing a lot of practice for USPSA with my 9mm, I shot using lead bullets and a lite load of Unique. It ended up being $6/100, but that was three years ago. For me, it was easy to get all the free 9mm brass I could handle, so that was never an issue in my cost.

I'd reload even if it cost the same as factory, because I KNOW I always get better ammo from handloads. I particularly enjoyed 147g 9mm loads, a nice loonnngg recoil feel.

jhansman
November 18, 2007, 02:24 AM
If you are looking at reloading strictly for cost effectiveness, perhaps not, for any given caliber. For me, shooting my own ammo is far more satisfying than paying for factory stuff. Reloading can be the perfect complement to shooting.

achildofthesky
November 18, 2007, 10:45 AM
That you do not need to fully amortize the costs of reloading to "break even" or even save $$$ reloading.

If you were to sell your reloading setup, you would recoup $$ for it, perhaps 50% or more for the press, 30$ for the dies and 25-40% for the powder measures, scales and misc stuff. Also, when your brass gives up the ghost, you will get $1.00+ per # for the scrap.

I don't worry about my time because as others have said, it is a hobby. But cash not spent is cash saved. Cash that can be recouped through sale of "capitol" equipment is cash in a different, albeit heavied and more cumbersome form.

I like cash in all forms;-)

Be safe

Patty

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