Need a favor - can someone measure a 147gr GDHP for me?


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goon
November 17, 2007, 03:21 PM
Guys,
I am still having issues with my SIG.
Please bear with me because my logic in this post may be kind of questionable...

When I sent my 9mm P-226 CPO back and told them it wouldn't eject live Win 115 grain FMJ live rounds, they made it work with that particular round.
Unfortunately, it must not have occured to the people at SIG that I would want to be able to use just about any quality 9mm ammunition that I could get my hands on. My point of view is that if it fits in the mag and fits in the chamber, it should also eject from the gun. I figured that if they changed whatever part was causing the FTE with the WWB 115 grain ammo (I think it is the ejector being out of spec), they would almost certainly fix the problem entirely. Instead, I think they attempted to save a few cents and just tweak some things. The note that came back with it says that they "adjusted the ejector and extractor". Sounds like a cheap, quick fix to me instead of just taking 10 more minutes to actually fix my real problem.

Anyhow, the P-226 now seems to have issues with any JHP round over about 1.125" in length.
Specs for the 9mm say that anything under 1.169 is OK. That leaves a lot of "distance" that I can't use and severely restricts my ammo choices. It also means that I'd constantly have to worry about ammo not working in my gun. I couldn't just buy a box and figure that it would be OK. And it is a real confidence killer to know that your gun just isn't "right".
But I still want to do just a little more testing before I send it back again with an angry note and a request for someone to actually earn their money.

So I was hoping that someone out there could point me in the direction of some of the longer loadings of 9mm JHP ammo, just so I can try them out to be utterly sure that the problem isn't limited to something I am doing wrong.
I think that 147 gr Speer GDHP's are loaded to about 1.13 but I am not sure. Can someone measure one for me? If you have any ideas on some other rounds that might not work (which is essentially what I am looking for), please educate me on those too.

In short, I am pretty sure there is something wrong with my gun. But I want to be REALLY sure. So the best way I can see to do that is to buy some good current production ammo that should work but that will probably make my gun (in its defective form) malfunction. Then I KNOW that I really do have to deal with the BS associated with sending it back again.

So if some of you guys can help me out with this I'd really appreciate it.

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RecoilRob
November 17, 2007, 03:47 PM
The SAAMI spec for 9mm assumes round nose hardball. JHP's will always be shorter as their profile must stay within the shadow of the hardball, so to speak.

Just curious if the tip of the ejector is shiney now....like they ground it a bit rather than replacing it.

I wouldn't be too hard on Sig, it would be really hard to have and try every possible round on the market when you fix a pistol. You said it wouldn't work with XXX brand, they made it work with XXX brand.

For your files, I measured the Golden Saber 147's I carry in the P-11....1.138, and they are as long as will eject loaded out of the gun.

BobMcG
November 17, 2007, 03:58 PM
147gr SXT Win Black Talon / 1.118"

124gr Rem Golden Saber / 1.130"

115gr PMC FMJ / 1.157"

115gr Win FMJ / 1.162"

115gr Wolf FMJ / 1.159"

goon
November 17, 2007, 04:13 PM
Awesome!
Thank you all very much for the all measurements. It gives me a good place to start anyhow.
I will try the 147 golden sabers and hopefully be able to use that as my "benchmark".
I did figure that about the SAMMI spec of 1.169 being for FMJ ammo, but still, who only shoots FMJ out of a defensive handgun?

And I also figured that the repair would be a parts swap.
Something like... "This part is out of spec. Hey Bob, hand me another one. OK, this one is good. I'll get it installed after lunch and then it will be fixed"
instead of...
"Hey Bob, this ejector is too damn long. Hand me the dremmel and I'll just keep shaving some metal off of this bad part until it works. Then we can send it back to this guy and maybe he'll leave us alone".

I do disagree to some extent about my being too hard on SIG. I am very disappointed that a CPO gun that was supposed to have been inspected and reworked by a professional doesn't work right the first time out. It should have. That's why I bought a SIG.
And I'm even more disappointed that when they got it back, they didn't put just a little more time and effort into it to make sure that it wouldn't cause their customer any more headaches. Seems like they just looked for the cheapest fix they could find instead of putting a little more time into it.
I really love the gun but I'm not real impressed with SIG at this point. But if they fix it I'll probably forgive them. I'd still like a P-228 at some point but that is going to depend on how this works out.

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