Computer RPGs w/ Guns & Stuff


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Skunkabilly
July 18, 2003, 03:29 PM
All the RPGs out there are either fantasy (zombies, magic, dragons, etc.) or post-apocalyptic (zombies, energy weapons, etc) type of genres...are there any computer RPGs out there with a modern setting with modern firearms and stuff?

Jagged Alliance 2 was great (gotta fire it up again) but I played it through at least a dozen times or more.

The more guns the more better.

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MicroBalrog
July 18, 2003, 03:30 PM
Hardline?

Kevlarman
July 18, 2003, 03:34 PM
Deus Ex may be 3 years old, but just last night I downloaded a new mod for it: the Cassandra Project (http://www.deusex-machina.com/cassandra-project/).

The story has nothing to do with the original DX storyline, and takes place in modern day England. You take on the role of Charlotte Williams, super spy with augmented abilities. A trip to the armory and you can get yourself a G36, SIG P228, SPAS-12, and others!

Another intersting fact is that one of the characters in the story mentions Leonidas and Xerxes, which I found to be pretty interesting.

Skunkabilly
July 18, 2003, 03:44 PM
I was cruising some game sites and some of the new RPGs on the market sounds really impressive (Neverwinter nights, et al) but I just can't warm up to magic spells and stuff.

I can't find my JA2 at home :(

I think I'm not really into adrenaline type games like Rainbow Six which is about as much as I can take, but play it for the guns and overall tacticality. I played the first Aliens vs Predator at my friends' and it was too much for me. I want to relax, not get a sensory overload...jeez.

I'd prefer a newer game, something that came out in the last year or so.

I might check out that game w/ pirates just because it has guns (ok blackpowder pistols) and isn't set in a fictional world.

SJ
July 18, 2003, 04:18 PM
Fallout, Fallout2, and Fallout Tactics...
Sorry, definitely post-apocalyptic...

MMcCall
July 18, 2003, 04:35 PM
There are a couple really nice mods out there for Dungeon Siege

WonderNine
July 18, 2003, 04:37 PM
Supposedly there's going to be a JA 3 skunk.

Also, you ever played Day of Defeat (http://www.dayofdefeatmod.com) ?

Not an RPG though. I hate RPG's. Used to like them 'back in the day' before they got so complicated and time consuming.

blades67
July 18, 2003, 04:40 PM
Have you tried 1942?

M2HMGHB
July 18, 2003, 04:42 PM
I am not sure if they're RPG or FPS but Operation Flashpoint, Operation Flashpoint Red Hammer, and Operation Flashpoint Resistence are all great games set only 10 years back using modern weapons and tactics. Delta Force 5 Blackhawk Down is ok, not great by far but not horrible either. I'm Going In(Project IGI)2 is also so so. There really arent many RPGs or FPS with MODERN weapons (at least not yet that is) Operation Flashpoint 2 which has a release date of 2003 or 2004 goes back into Vietnam. Novalogic is making a couple new Delta Force games too.

Scott

Drizzt
July 18, 2003, 04:53 PM
Anyone joined the Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG? Plenty of guns there...

Look out for that marksman/scout by the name of Molon Labe, though ;)

Jake T. Snake
July 18, 2003, 04:58 PM
Since you were asking a question I actually knew something about I quit lurking and posted here for the first time.

All the Tom Clancey's Rainbow Six Games are IMHO the most realistic if modded correctlly. Urban ops, Black thorn (Add Ons) are definately my favorites. Search for Lloyd's mods and use them and you will not be disapointed. There latest series, Ghost Recon also rocks for realism. If you have high speed Internet try the Army's free game, Americas Army. It is very accurate in detail and getting better all the time.

I hope I helped Answer your question.

Alex_F
July 18, 2003, 05:12 PM
I'll second the Americas Army game. Free to download, and pretty accurate.

Geech
July 18, 2003, 05:16 PM
I'm sorry, you just aren't going to find many modern RPGs. That being said, I'll second SJs suggestion for the Fallout games. You can get a Fallout/Fallout2 dual jual case at Wal-Mart for $10. Not sure where you'd get Fallout Tactics, but it isn't nearly as good as the others anyway.

Skunkabilly
July 18, 2003, 05:20 PM
No multiplayer, no intense action, etc, I want character development and a good story with guns.

I have all the Rainbow games and wish they had more RPG elements. Ghost Recon you got a point for completing a mission but that was kinda lame.

Does Op Flashpoint have any RPG elements?

rageman
July 18, 2003, 05:39 PM
As far as RPG's go, the only games I can think of that have guns in them are Anachronox, Anarchy Online (a MMORPG), and the Fallout series (which are supposed to be insanely good).

RTFM
July 18, 2003, 05:48 PM
Try Battlefield 1942 with the Desert Combat mod. I like it alot.
Americas Army OK too, but I like the DC mod better
http://www.desertcombat.com/

Skunkabilly
July 18, 2003, 06:04 PM
Isn't 1942 and America's Army shooters?

Elmer Snerd
July 18, 2003, 06:19 PM
No multiplayer, no intense action, etc, I want character development and a good story with guns.

I second the motion for Fallout and Fallout 2. They are post-apocalyptic and have energy weapons, but you can stick with firearms.

doctorhumbert
July 18, 2003, 08:42 PM
I too liked Fall out I, and II immensly (cheap too $10-20). It is one of those underated game with cult status. You can tell this game is made with genuine love for the game by the designers. This game is somewhat similar to legendary pre-online RPG Ultima series.

Best parts of the games are:

-It has lot of cools guns (from lowly home made rifle to FN FAL (Full auto!), Jack Hamer shotgun , HK G11 and CAWS, and my favorite 9mm steyr AUG smg).
-For some reason all the pistols in post apocalyptic world uses 10 MM :D !!!
-You can kill anything from Giant cock roach to innocent town children (you get 'child killer' label on your reputation, and Kharma drops dramatically).
-You can actually buy drug (called jet) and become 'addict'.

Funniest parts of the games are:

-When you click on the game object 'Guns and Bullet' magazine, it reads: "You learn nothing new, Nothing really helpful except for somewhat biased reviews." ( I think game designer was definitely into guns.)
-You can actually go to whore house and select between 5 different 'services' and waste money on it. Also you can get it on with other characters (same or opposite sex).
-After beating the game you can become a porn star at the porn studio, and appear on the movie 'PULL OUT, the post apocalyptal bigalow'.:D

Nothing is more satisfying than watching all four of the bad guys' upper tolsos ripped to pieces (with very realistic bullet impact/blood noise) with realistic preban rifle/machineguns.

Schuey2002
July 18, 2003, 08:56 PM
Anyone joined the Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG?
As soon as my new computer arrives.. :p
Look out for that marksman/scout by the name of Molon Labe, though
Will do! :D

George Hill
July 18, 2003, 11:04 PM
I have to admit to being a big Neverwinter Knights fan.
The module that cames with the game is nothing compared to the modules that you can download for free.
There is the Monty Python's Holy Grail module... Most fun I have had playing games in a long time. Then there is the Dreamcatcher series... excellent. A must for NWN fans. It's in 5 parts. Great story line.
It's tactical in the sense that Lord of the Rings is tactical... in that middle earth way. I guess.

But a tactical roll playing game? Fallout series is your best bet. Well, there is another one... Archanium or something like that.

556A2
July 18, 2003, 11:10 PM
Go with the Fallout series, I have both of them, but I haven't really gotten in to them since I crave action. But for an RPG with firearms, and a great storyline to boot, get the Fallout Value Pack with Fallout 1&2.

lycanthrope
July 18, 2003, 11:59 PM
Skunkabilly,

You looking for a true RPG or a FPS (first person shooter)? Most of the games listed are FPS's Like America's Army and Dues Ex.

Geech
July 19, 2003, 03:02 AM
Forgot about Arcanum. It's not exactly modern either, it's set during an industrial revolution in a very Tolken-esque world. All kinds of guns, if that's the path you choose, but it has a lot of magic and medieval weaponry, too.

Just a heads up, Fallout 3 is in development for the PC right now. It's shaping up to be worse than the first two RPGs, but it'll probably provide a lot of what you're looking for. Probably won't be out for another year or more, though.

Skunkabilly
July 19, 2003, 04:05 AM
I went to my buddies' place tonight and played a few min of Neverwinter Nights and watched another guy play Deus Ex (sp?)

Neverwinter looked well made but I couldn't warm up to the theme, but didn't spend much time with it, I was really sleepy.

Watching my friend play Dues gave me motion sickness....I only get it when I watch other people play....

I don't know why I can't like the dungeons and zombies thing, I really feel like I'm missing out, but I just can't like it.

Destructo6
July 19, 2003, 06:01 AM
I'm not much for RPG games, usually preferring FPS types. Flashpoint does have some RPG elements: story, characters, etc. You don't develop characters in that you can build their abilities, but in the Resistance add-on you do have to scavenge your weapons. It’s rather slow-paced for a first person shooter and you need to think and plan before opening up with your PK/M60/RPG7/etc.

In fact, using your brain is most of the game, since you command troops and there is no single correct way to complete a mission. There’s a lot of fun in sneaking into a Russian camp, stealing a T80, running over a few badguys, then blasting their vehicles or, sneaking in, planting some satchel charges, sneaking out, and detonating the charges from a distance.

To minimize frustration, though, you should look up the savegame cheat.

timbo
July 19, 2003, 09:42 AM
I have to add my thumbs up to the Fallout series. 1 and 2 are the best and have some of the most in-depth story and character development that I've ever seen. You can go through the games as a good or evil character, and you can go through talking your way through every situation, or shooting your way through it. For $10 for both you can't really go wrong. Look at any electronics store or a place like Target and you can find it.

Fallout Tactics is a little different though. I found it to be quite fun, but it wasn't RPG based. It was built as a strategy game using the Fallout games as a background.

They are post-apocalyptic and have some energy weapons, but I can't recommend these games enough. They are a relatively serious and humerous set of games in the same package. They do have some real weapons, although the Desert Eagle .44 is the only thing that comes to mind, and then there is the .223 pistol.

doctorhumbert
July 19, 2003, 10:59 AM
haha, that .223 pistol is actually a movie prop. It was copy of the futuristic antimatter blaster, a prop made by using Steyr Mannlicher .222 Model SL rifle receiver and Bulldog revolver, used by Harrison Ford in the movie BLADE RUNNER. Another little unnoticed trivia that adds fun to the FALLOUT game. I've just remembered that there is British SA-80 HB Light machinegun in that game also.
blade runner blast (http://home.pressroom.com/philips/bldrunbl.htm)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid70/pd3fba9f04e3f073cb769744bda2f7986/fba234ce.jpg

RTFM
July 19, 2003, 11:24 AM
Sorry Skunkabilly, they are shooters, not RPG. I latched on to the "modern setting with modern firearms and stuff?"

I'll go back to the shallow end of the pool now....:uhoh:

Skunkabilly
July 19, 2003, 11:53 AM
Oh what's an MMORPG?

Devonai
July 19, 2003, 12:23 PM
"Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game."

My favorite has always been X-Com 1. Ancient by today's standards but immortal for fun factor.

Drizzt
July 19, 2003, 12:23 PM
Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game

doctorhumbert
July 19, 2003, 01:26 PM
anyone have left over 'Jagged Alliance 2' I can have or swap with my Fall Out 2 (I beat it dozen times alrady).:D

Zedicus
July 19, 2003, 01:30 PM
RPG Games with Guns eh?
Here's a few:neener:

Final Fantasy X-2
Xenogears (See Billy Lee Black)
SOCOM (Navy Seals RPG)
Unreal 2 (Sci-Fi Allien RPG Shoot em up)
Vietcong (Good Vietnam RPG)
RedFaction 2 (Sci-Fi Revolution RPG)
Battlefield 1942 (WW2 MMORPG type FPS)
The Thing (Sci-Fi Horror Monster Shooting RPG)

doctorhumbert
July 19, 2003, 01:33 PM
Yuk, I am sick of FPS. If you want realistic FPS, join army. 'THE THING' was a total disappointment. I used to love Counter Strike, until EVERYONE became a hacker/cheater.

Zedicus
July 19, 2003, 01:40 PM
'THE THING' was a total disappointment.
I Know Unreal 1 Had better Graphics than The Thing..

Geech
July 19, 2003, 01:54 PM
Me thinks some people here don't really understand what an RPG is. No matter. Really, try the Fallout games, Skunk. They're older than what you're looking for, but I think they're as close as you're going to come.

George Hill
July 19, 2003, 02:28 PM
You can get the Fall Out 1 and 2 together in the same pack for 10 bucks at wall mart.
It's worth playing.

/going back to Neverwinter

timbo
July 19, 2003, 07:30 PM
I dunno, I consider myself an RPG player, then a shooter. I have one gun but have played pen and paper in addition to computer and console RPG's for years. X-com is an excellent game as well, although you may need an older machine to play it on. I think it's original requirements were for a 386 processor and 2-4 MB of RAM. I have gotten it to run on my Athlon XP 2000 though, so it can be done. That one is a little hard to find sometimes, you might be able to find the collectors edition at a gaming store though. If not, you might be able to get someone to compress it and email it to you. It's not an RPG though, but an excellent strategy game.

As for that .223 pistol, holy cow! That's exactly what it looked like. I didn't think it actually existed, even if it was only a prop. For your modern era gaming needs though, I can't think of any RPGs that fit well in that category unfortunately.

rageman
July 19, 2003, 08:30 PM
As has been answered already, a MMORPG is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game, however, you do need to keep in mind that you will have to pay a monthtly charge for the game (usually $10-$15).

BallisticTip
July 20, 2003, 07:45 AM
Try DOD its very addictive. DOD (http://www.dayofdefeatmod.com/indexmain.html)

c_yeager
July 20, 2003, 08:17 AM
Did you play the expansion to JA2, "unfinished buisiness". its basically more of the same with a slightly different managment model and some new guns. Its kinda what "deadly games" was to the original. Beyond that im at a loss.

Skunkabilly
July 20, 2003, 11:04 AM
Yeah, bought Unfinished Business the day it came out :o

PaladinX13
July 20, 2003, 12:09 PM
People take way too many hits in JA though... even the .50 BMG takes two torso hits to kill someone! Otherwise, one of the best non-action gun games out there. I'd love to play a lightgun game that simulates the ESPN Outdoors Games rifle competition, especially with the Dueling Tree where you can unscore your opponent's targets. Heck, with a computer version, the possibilities are endless... like play pinball against an opponent or something.

Kharn
July 20, 2003, 11:43 PM
Skunkabilly & Dochumbert (and everyone else):
www.electronicsboutique.com has Jagged Alliance 2: Gold (JA2 and Unfinished Business packaged together) for $8+shipping. Gold edition is MUCH better than the normal edition, smarter enemies and everything (Skunk, I've seen a few of your posts on The Bear Pit, but I only lurk there, so you probably know that already). The enemies throw flares/chemlights during night missions instead of never using them, for one. They also editted the sniper rifles so they're more balanced (two of my six mercs carry Dragunovs, with either an AKM or Colt Commando for backup, and if they can see it, its dead). Also, they added F, Del and End key functions from Unfinished Business, F shows distance to target, Del & End show cover & line of sight at the area in question (I forget which key does which), which is VERY helpful in planning out where you want your mercs.

Regarding the Barrett in JA2:UB, headshots are the only way to go: *BOOM!!!* Splat! "Damn, I dont want to go like that". Any of the .308s will put someone down with one good headshot in JA2 (I havent played UB too much, I prefer the JA2 strategy style over the UB style), and by the time you get those rifles, you should be doing headshots 80% of the time anyway.

I almost always have a game of JA2 in progress, since I always restart from the beginning when my custom merc gets killed. I just lost Igor this morning, but I got an FN-FAL at the same time (at the Alma prison); I love having Igor, Grunty and my AutoWeapons/Stealthly custom merc as my CQB team (I only attack towns at night, patrols anytime but only if I absolutely have to during the daytime), but I love the FAL too. I cant decide if I should restart or not since Igor's always the third guy in the door whenever the stinky stuff hits the fan and wields a mean AK74 (Grunty's currently got an AUG with scope (and he totally RULES the battlefield with it, headshots 95% of the time), custom merc normally has an G3A3/M14/FAL with laser and scope). Buns, Grizzly and Barry normally round out my primary squad, but I lost Barry early on (while on my first walk to Tony's), replaced him with Hitman (armed him with a Dragunov), who bought it at the Chitzena SAM, who I replaced with Raven, who is currently ripping up the battlefield with Buns as my two snipers.

Anyway, whats $~15? Buy the game from EB and they'll have more motivation to get JA3 done on time.

Kharn

Skunkabilly
July 21, 2003, 02:48 AM
Cool, so basically the UB updated engine in JA2?

c_yeager
July 21, 2003, 03:07 AM
You just made my day Kharn.

Kharn
July 21, 2003, 06:55 AM
Skunk:
Yes, thats about what it amounts to.

C_yeager:
Anytime. :D

A short note to everyone: The Gold Edition CDs arent the most-current versions of the game, www.strategyfirst.com has the patch for JA2, and there's a patch for UB out on the web somewhere. Also, you must temporarily disable your file system virus protection when playing, as the game engine generates lots of temporary files which Norton Antivirus (and probably any other program) craps a brick over and really slows down the load times (20 second load times become 5-7 minutes). For Norton, you can right-click on the little shield on the system tray and deselect 'Enable File System Realtime protection' to turn off the scan that doesnt like JA, when you're done playing, just right click and reselect it.

Kharn

Stetson_CO
July 21, 2003, 07:05 AM
Might want to try http://www.play.net/mo/

Here is the description --

Welcome to Modus Operandi!
A mysterious island paradise filled with danger and excitement! Modus Operandi is a modern day role-playing game that combines mystery, adventure, and romance with the excitement of an ongoing story based on Morada, a fictional island in the Caribbean

Could be fun, I haven't played it. I played one of the other games this company hosts.


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