[Ghostrider_23]

Of you out there that carry the snubbies with laser grips,

does it help you and do you use it?????

How accurate is the laser grips or is it more of a pain in the butt???

Please give me your take on laser grips before I go out and get a set.

Thank you

[welldoya]

I do not have laser grips on my 642. I thought I wanted them but just to make sure, I borrowed my brother-in-law's 642 with the factory CT grips. I couldn't hit squat with it. You would think the factory would have sighted it in but it sure didn't hit where I put the dot.
I'm going to stick with iron sights. Plus, I think they are priced about twice what they should be.
I know some people love them, just telling you my experience.

[jaydubya]

Double post -- sorry

[jaydubya]

I have Crimson Trace grips on my S&W airweight, as well as my 686 and 9mm Browning Hi Power. As you might guess, I am completely sold on them. Simply as grips, they are an improvement over the stock sets on each handgun. And as aiming devices in low/medium light levels (the very situations where I am likely to need one), they are just remarkable. I have never tried them outdoors in bright sunlight, nor at any time at fifty yards -- not my cup of tea -- but these are iron sight situations anyway. I take two of these guns to the range weekly, firing fifty rounds from each, half with iron sights at seven yards and the other half with lasers at five yards. With the latter, I fire five rounds from the waist in retention mode. I put the red dot on the target's COM zone and fire them off as fast as I can with any accuracy -- just as I would in a self defence situation. That red dot dances around a lot, but it is very satisfying when I see a bullet strike the red dot.

If you choose to get a set for a snubby, get the 405 model. It has a bolster at the top of the grip that makes all the difference in the world, with no effect upon concealability from what I have read. I have a 305 on my 637, which means the bare frame strikes my hand at the web. After fifty rounds of that, my hand is ready to quit. I'm seriously thinking of getting a set of 405s myself.
Cordially, Jack

[M2 Carbine]

I have laser grips or Streamlight TLR-2 laser/lights on all my defense guns.
That's S&W revolvers, Kimber pistols, Kel Tec Pistols, including the P3AT and .223 PLR, M4 AR and shotguns.

I practice 2-5 evenings a week with lasers.

does it help you and do you use it?????
Only IF you learn how to CORRECTLY use the gun mounted laser AND practice frequently with it.

Does it help me??
Let me say, I'm 70 years old, have less than steady hands and eyes that make the gun sights and target fuzzy. I used to be a good shot but now I rank myself as just a decent shot. Any 20-40 year old in decent health should be able to out shoot me.

At night or in low light with the laser I can make fast, accurate shots that I can't usually duplicate in sunlight with iron sights. Here's some pictures and YOU decide if the laser is a help in low light or darkness.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/JerrysG19CTlaser.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/38SWlaser25yards-1.jpg

It was funny, by the time I got to 40 yards it was so dark I couldn't see the target, just a light blob.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/CT7to40yards.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KimberCovertlaser.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/CTlefthand15shots.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/5yardsrapidfire.jpg


How accurate is the laser grips or is it more of a pain in the butt???

A GOOD laser, like any other sighting system is only as good as the person using it. And like the other sighting systems the shooter must learn how to use the laser CORRECTLY and practice with it. The more you learn, the more you practice, the better you will get.

The laser is no substitute for poor shooting technique.
It's just a very good, fast, pinpoint sighting system that if used correctly, in it's environment of low or no light will enable you to make shots that you probably otherwise can,t make.

In short the laser will do some good stuff if you are up to it.

[mavracer]

this is at 25 yards (yes yards) with taurus 905 ct grips ammo was ranger t series 147 grn

[TOADMAN]

I am a big fan of the Crimson Trace Laser Grips. Specifically, the LG405 J- frame grips.. Mine are spot-on at 21 feet.. Currently, I have the LG405 on a S&W 642 and the LG105 on a S&W 637.. They really help us old folks with bum vision..

[mavracer]

sorry double tap

[340PD]

It is absolutely the easiest, most accurate way for the average shooter to hit something consistently with a snubbie. Try both models.

LG305 on Mod 60'' 3"
LG305 on Mod 640 2''
LG405 on 340PD 2"

[Primersinmyshoe]

The CT grips are not gun sights - they are aiming aids. They do not replace iron sights at a distance, they do allow rapid acquisition of a target up close. In daylight they are almost useless, however as stated above, goblins come out at night. I have a S&W 642, Kimber Grand Raptor, and Kimber Pro CDP with the CT grips.

[DawgFvr]

Well...I have my CT LG 105 for sale. It was a new toy...I had to try it on my 642...now I'm over it and back to my wood/tyler grip.

1. I do not have lasers for all my weapons. I wish uniformity training with everything I have. I, personally, developed bad habits with the laser.

2. My 642 is purely a defensive weapon, read: close in/last resort. I can hit my target without looking for a red dot.

3. The grip is not exactly the most comfortable for me.

4. I use point aiming and draw/fire reflexively...I don't have the time/patience or wish to begin the practice of looking for a red dot.

5. Although I did have my POA and the laser dot aligned, I noted that trigger pull alters where the round hits anyway.

Bottom line: I think the laser is a psychological gimick for lazy people who need to practice more on the range. Just my opinion of course.

[M2 Carbine]

Ghostrider_23
If you do get a CT laser contact Crimson Trace for their CD, "Shots in the Dark".
It will help you get started using the laser properly.

The only thing most people know about using the gun mounted laser is what they have seen in the movies, which is wrong, so they spend their time using the equipment improperly and blame their lack of success on the equipment.

A couple of my friends, that are good shots, have had a little trouble adjusting to the laser. Like I tell them, you didn't learn to shoot well with iron sights in a couple days and you aren't going to get good with the laser in a couple days.

[wideym]

I have CT grips on my 1911 and my 92FS. I mainly use them for fast target aqusition in lowlight and for deterance.

My first encounter with CT grips was when my unit went to Iraq. Our M9s has CT grips and when a haji became threating a bouncing red dot on his chest would usually defuse the situation.

Some situations required the threat of deadly force rather than the use of it to resolve dicey situations. Only sociopaths hope to use deadly force in every situation, letting the BG know the barrel is pointed at his chest encourages him to stand down.