Gun controversy - EMAIL THIS ANTI-GUN SCUMBAG


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shooterx10
July 18, 2003, 04:24 PM
GEORGE CARL | Outdoors

Thursday, July 17, 2003

If you want to get into a spirited debate in this country today, address the topic of guns. This is definitely a controversial issue with no easy solution. Let's face it; guns kill. People who don't own a gun fear them. We have seen too many movies that glorify killing with guns. Death by shooting provides for a lasting memory, and if we have had the experience of losing a loved one or a friend by the use of a gun, it is a haunting and terrible memory. A gun becomes an evil weapon. :what:

But let's take a look at the cause for the use of that weapon. There is an inherent desire on the parts of many men to hunt and gather. Watch young boys when they get together. They often play pretend shooting games. I am a hunter, yet I, too, fear guns when they are in the hands of people I do not know. Hunters or sport shooters have probably been trained in firearm safety. Trained and licensed hunters are responsible for very few gun-related accidents in California. Unfortunately, we have more guns in the hands of the wrong people.

Drugs and/or alcohol and guns don't mix. Those of us who hunt or enjoy shooting sports are always made to feel guilty because we own a gun. We are a minority, and every time a handgun is used in a crime against our fellow man, I feel for all law-abiding citizens. Would registering handguns be a bad thing? Maybe it is time to compromise on that issue and try to ease the tension between gun owners and non-gun owners, but will that help? I don't know. Hunters are afraid that once their guns are registered, their personal freedom will be invaded because all guns will need to be registered. Some gun owners also cite the Bill of Rights and the right to "bear arms."

Let's look at some statistics. California is the most liberal state in the country. We have relatively few hunters but many people with guns. For every gun owner who has registered his or her gun as a law-abiding person, there are nine others who own guns that are not registered. It is hard to be a caring, conservation-minded sport shooter or hunter and know that others are using guns to kill people.

Can we compare drunk drivers to people with guns? Yes, cars don't kill people. Instead, crazy, distraught, drunk, drugged, or dangerous people kill others. People who have a bad driving record should not be on the road. Drug-related and alcohol-related driving kills people. How do we stop that? All who drink fear the DUI arrests. I think we might make those offenses even stronger. Drunk drivers kill people the same way that people with guns do. This is a fact.

But just who is the person who would kill someone else? We, as a society, have become more violent. We have less patience. I watch people in a crowd or on the road. They are often angry or in a frenzied rush. The problem may also stem from a person's upbringing. There are fewer family values today, and crazy, distraught, and drugged people are among us. At any time someone may run into me while I'm driving. At any time someone may be crazy enough to try to break into my house and harm my loved ones or me. It's a fact that even when prohibition was law, a person could still buy a drink just about anywhere. Drugs are illegal, but can drugs be found just about anywhere in America today? You bet they can. I believe that if all guns were illegal, a person would still be able to buy a gun just about anywhere on the black market. The problem is not the guns themselves, but some of the people who use them. This is why it is such a tough problem to solve.

Again, I fear guns in the hands of people I don't know. I must admit, that I feel safer when I'm in the company of my hunting and fishing buddies. Also, all of my kids have been educated in safety of firearms, and only one chooses to actively hunt. Today, if a person wishes to hunt, he or she must pass a safety course prior to receiving a license. I feel that course should be even harder and longer. Today, if a law-abiding citizen wants to buy a gun, he or she must purchase the gun and wait five days before picking it up to allow for a criminal check to take place. I feel even more can be done. For example, when a gun is purchased, it might be automatically registered with the state.

We should also return to family values. We need to spend time with our kids. Take them camping, fishing, and hunting. Let's allow them to enjoy nature and the outdoors instead of violent video games. Fewer kids involved in family fun outings get into trouble; that's a fact. Guns are a part of America, but guns in the wrong hands have created a horrible reputation in this country. I sympathize with those who advocate a policy for no guns or gun control, but how can we take guns away from the "wrong people," any more than how do we apprehend a crazed or drunk driver before he or she kills someone? I feel it should be harder to obtain guns and harder to get a license to drive. We have tough DUI laws, but make them tougher. We have tough laws regarding the use of a firearm in a crime, but we should also make those laws tougher. The administration of a nation of violence needs to create firmer policies so that we are not threatened by irresponsible members of society.

This anti-gun scum's email is not listed, but you can let his employer know: napaopinion@napanews.com :cuss:

Here is the link. (http://www.napanews.com/templates/index.cfm?template=story_full&id=B3B2C7E7-156B-46B6-95B6-520770F9DBBB)

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Henry Bowman
July 18, 2003, 04:41 PM
What a ramble! :scrutiny:

BenW
July 18, 2003, 05:17 PM
Today, if a law-abiding citizen wants to buy a gun, he or she must purchase the gun and wait five days before picking it up to allow for a criminal check to take place. I feel even more can be done. For example, when a gun is purchased, it might be automatically registered with the state.

Another case of a reporter lacking in basic research skills. This dufus wrote the article in California, where the wait is twice as long and we ALREADY register with the state. And yet he's complaining about bad people with guns. He's unwittingly made the argument that passing more laws against the law abiding does nothing.

bjengs
July 18, 2003, 06:51 PM
Nearly every hunter (meaning someone who only uses guns for hunting) I know says crap like this. It's beyond the arrogance of anti-gunners, who say "I don't trust anyone with guns." These guys think "I trust only myself with guns, and frankly I sympathize more with anti-gunners than with people who would shoot for personal enjoyment."

These jerks will sell us out in a heartbeat and the anti's know it. That's why they don't need outright bans and can word everything to be hunter friendly. Then, maybe a decade from now, they'll learn the lessons of WW2: "When they came for the recreational shooters, I said nothing..."

rrader
July 18, 2003, 07:12 PM
We, as a society, have become more violent

Astonishingly poor research by a so-called reporter. Violent crime rates in the US are at a 30 year low.

Again, I fear guns in the hands of people I don't know

Hoplophobia and paranoia are a poor basis on which to pass laws.

Standing Wolf
July 18, 2003, 10:25 PM
Drunk drivers kill people the same way that people with guns do. This is a fact.

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seeker_two
July 18, 2003, 10:51 PM
Can we compare drunk drivers to people with guns? Yes, cars don't kill people. Instead, crazy, distraught, drunk, drugged, or dangerous people kill others. People who have a bad driving record should not be on the road. Drug-related and alcohol-related driving kills people. How do we stop that? All who drink fear the DUI arrests. I think we might make those offenses even stronger. Drunk drivers kill people the same way that people with guns do. This is a fact.

So he can divine that CARS don't kill people, but he can't do the same with GUNS?...:scrutiny:

The problem is not the guns themselves, but some of the people who use them. This is why it is such a tough problem to solve.

Maybe he can...:confused:

Again, I fear guns in the hands of people I don't know. I must admit, that I feel safer when I'm in the company of my hunting and fishing buddies.

And WHY is that?...:scrutiny:

Guns are a part of America, but guns in the wrong hands have created a horrible reputation in this country.

What about the guns in the RIGHT hands (LEO's, citizens defending themselves, our military)?...:fire:

It's a fact that even when prohibition was law, a person could still buy a drink just about anywhere. Drugs are illegal, but can drugs be found just about anywhere in America today? You bet they can. I believe that if all guns were illegal, a person would still be able to buy a gun just about anywhere on the black market....

I sympathize with those who advocate a policy for no guns or gun control, but how can we take guns away from the "wrong people," any more than how do we apprehend a crazed or drunk driver before he or she kills someone? I feel it should be harder to obtain guns and harder to get a license to drive. We have tough DUI laws, but make them tougher. We have tough laws regarding the use of a firearm in a crime, but we should also make those laws tougher.

Like you said, laws don't work...

Blithering hypocritical IDIOT...

:barf:

vmi93
July 19, 2003, 09:10 AM
"I hunt, but I need to be accepted at NYC cocktail parties and in University staffrooms." "Therefore I must repudiate all other beliefs that might make me appear to be an adult human being with a spine or with control over my emotions."

Don Gwinn
July 19, 2003, 05:51 PM
He gets PAID to write that column? I've seen better from 8th graders (and those of you who know I taught 8th grade English know I'm not kidding.)

Orthonym
July 19, 2003, 06:24 PM
Chill out, guys! This thread started out wrong and got worse! I'm writing about the title of the first post!:fire: "scumbag" is cop-and-other-criminal slang for a used condom! I'm surprised Oleg and the mods allow its use here!

joebogey
July 19, 2003, 06:38 PM
And that boys and girls, is your word for the day. :rolleyes:

joebogey
July 19, 2003, 06:56 PM
I'll have to agree with you "runt".

And to think all these years, I've been calling people such a nasty name.

Guess we're gonna have to enlist the services of a younger group of moderators to keep us "pc".

Betty
July 19, 2003, 07:08 PM
Sorry, joebogey -
That comment (now deleted) was made by Oleg Volk. We're on the same computer and he forgot that I use Netscape and he uses IE to surf THR. So he posted as me.

joebogey
July 19, 2003, 07:14 PM
That will be 3 minutes in the "Time Out" chair for Mr. Volk! :D

PileDriver
July 19, 2003, 10:53 PM
gun, it is a haunting and terrible memory. A gun becomes an evil weapon







tell that to your wife when you're standing there sucking your thumb while she's being raped.

Malone LaVeigh
July 20, 2003, 11:29 PM
The article was a disorganized, rambling mess. It was a pain to try to follow it.

However, the author is not an "anti-gun" anything. He's a gun owner who happens to be open to a few of the more moderate anti-gun arguments. IOW, somewhat of a fence-sitter. Just the sort of person we ought to be working to bring over to our side. After all, he's already more than half way there.

His next column will no doubt feature some of the more choice comments made by those stupid enough to follow the original poster's command. You people give the rest of us a bad name.

gunsmith
July 21, 2003, 03:49 AM
HE fought back as best he could. Yet this guy thinks he speaks for me when he saysDeath by shooting provides for a lasting memory, and if we have had the experience of losing a loved one or a friend by the use of a gun, it is a haunting and terrible memory. A gun becomes an evil weapon ...
I say WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
A gun is a tool that can be used to save your life,a tool denied my brother in law James W W----n in november of 1980 in the Bronx NY.
Sacrilegious "guncontrol" insured that my brother in law had no tool to fight back "guncontrol" insured that the criminal had a tool to kill an innocent father of a one month old child.
GUN CONTROL IS THE EVIL WEAPON THAT INSURES THUGS CAN KILL THEIR UNARMED VICTIMS :fire:
I say NO to all gun control.

Monte Harrison
July 21, 2003, 02:12 PM
Guns are a part of America, but guns in the wrong hands have created a horrible reputation in this country.An old Joan Jett and the Blackhearts tune comes to mind: "I don't give a damn about my reputation...!"

Partisan Ranger
July 22, 2003, 10:42 AM
Would registering handguns be a bad thing? Maybe it is time to compromise on that issue and try to ease the tension between gun owners and non-gun owners, but will that help? I don't know.
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Yeah right. If we cave and allow our guns to be registered, I have no doubt that the anti-gun extremist bigot parasites will just leave us alone.

:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

If you really think that these maggots will walk off fat and happy after our guns are registered, you are lacking in intellectual horsepower.

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