Single Action 9mm???


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B_Scott
July 18, 2003, 05:01 PM
I am have decided that my next handgun will be a 9mm.
This gun will become my primary CCW (I currently have a G27).

Here are my reasons for the switch:
I want 9mm for ammo cost reasons.
I want a slim gun so I can get a tuckable holster.
I want the smoothest trigger possible.

I am looking at the CZ-75 Single Action, Kahr P9 (or K9), Beretta 92M.
Are there any other single stack 9mm that I am missing (can't afford a HK)?
Also, what do ya'll think about my choices above?

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doctorhumbert
July 18, 2003, 05:07 PM
Browning hi power.
It's not single stack, but it's better! 13-17 round double stack!
Its slide is pretty slim, and absolutely concealable.

Marko Kloos
July 18, 2003, 05:15 PM
There's always a 1911 in 9mm. Flat gun, and a trigger that has no equal. Springfield makes most of their 1911 line in 9mm as well.

Dobe
July 18, 2003, 06:16 PM
I have one of these, and I do enjoy shooting it. It is not a single stack gun though. The trigger leaves much to be desired, but the price is nice. If you want a slim single stack with a great trigger, you may want to try a 1911. I am thinking about one in STI or Kimber

Ala Dan
July 18, 2003, 06:34 PM
Browning Hi-Power sounds like the gun in your
dreams.:D :rolleyes:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

martin
July 18, 2003, 06:42 PM
I have a CZ75-SA and it is a great shooter. An action job was necessary to get a reasonable trigger out of it.

PCRCCW
July 18, 2003, 06:45 PM
Well lets see....the CZ SA is a great choice and with a little tuning can be one of the best guns around. But its not a single stack.

The BHP is another great choice but again not a single stack.

The Kahr P9 is not a Single Action....Double action only trigger.

The Beretta is a Chunk and is not a single action or single stack gun.

Honestly....The BHP, CZ or 1911 would do you very well.........

Or you can get an Arcus BHP Clone, CZ Compact and convert the trigger.

Lots of choices. It just sounded like you needed a little more accurate information.

shoot well

denfoote
July 18, 2003, 06:46 PM
You can pick up a cherry Walther P38 for about $300!!!
For only a few dollars more, you can get a lovely Walther P5 or P5 Compact!!!!!! :D

Hey, if it's good enough for Deutschland, it ought to be good enough for you!!! :neener:

doctorhumbert
July 18, 2003, 07:13 PM
I like my Walther P5C (DA/SA).
Lot more class than some cheap polymer jobs.
You are more likely to impress the ladies with it.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/pff83f68ac902b3a3240a91589bea3446/fbdfc3a5.jpg

heathen
July 18, 2003, 07:35 PM
If you want a 1911 style and you want small and slim, then here's what you want, http://www.stiguns.com/guns/ls/ls.html . The LS9 should be just what you're looking for. The STI guns that I've owned and handled have all been absolutely top notch. They are however a little bit pricey and the LS9 has become hard to come by. I noticed that you said that you can't afford an HK so that probably rules out the LS9 but if you search the auction sites often, they come up quite a bit at decent prices. I hope you find that perfect single stack 9mm. Good luck, Heath

sanchezero
July 18, 2003, 09:42 PM
Ditto on the hipower, it's thinner than my glock but not as thin as a P7. In any case, it's very concealable.

I have a CZ75SA coming soon, but I'm sure it's gonna be a bit fat.

10-Ring
July 18, 2003, 09:57 PM
Of the options you have provided, here's another vote for the CZ...although 1st choice would have been the P7 ;)

WonderNine
July 19, 2003, 12:12 AM
I would agree on the CZ or BHP for your CCW gun. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the ergonomics of the CZ although alot of people swear by them. They seem a little 'cheap' to me also, although alot of people would also take issue with that :D

I love Beretta 92's, but I wouldn't recommend one for CCW. Trade two extra rounds that the Beretta 92 holds in flush mags (15-17 while BHP holds 13-15) for a gun that's twice as big, heavier and has a 'slappy' though good trigger. Nope, not for me. Beretta would make a nice open carry gun, but even in that situation I'd probably prefer a BHP or 1911. IMO, the new Berettas are dramatically inferior to the ones made only ten years ago.

I typically pocket carry anyways though. But even in the current summer heat I can get away with a BHP in an IWB holster with just a long shirt and jean shorts very easily.

railroader
July 19, 2003, 01:38 AM
Firestar's are a single stack, single action and have a decent trigger. Spare parts can be a problem and they are kind of heavy for their size. Here's one from gunbroker, there are a few of them. I had one in 45 that was really accurate and reliable. http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10429118 Mark

modifiedbrowning
July 19, 2003, 05:18 AM
Check out the Walther P99. While considered a DA, it can be carried as a SA. I carry one as my CCW, but I carry it with the trigger in DA mode. It is rather slim and 16 rnd normal capacity mags are available. The P99 trigger smooths out nicely after some shooting and has a very short reset.

Dregan
July 19, 2003, 07:33 PM
If you're looking at the Walther P99, be sure to look at the QA model while you're at it. Single Action Only.

dsk
July 19, 2003, 08:08 PM
I'd also say Hi-Power, but if it truly needs to be a single-stack don't overlook the SIG P225. Otherwise the Kahr P9 is a good choice.

Stephen A. Camp
July 20, 2003, 05:45 AM
Hello. If interested, there are some links below related to your question or some of the pistols suggested by others. Hope it is of use.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Defensive%20Browning%20Hi%20Power.htm

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/WhyBuy.htm

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/1911in9mm.htm

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/CZ75.htm

Best.

Dobe
July 20, 2003, 09:36 AM
Stephen,
Thanks, there is a lot of good information there.

Jeff OTMG
July 21, 2003, 12:07 AM
Slim, SA, 9mm, try the STI LS9. I like mine so much I got an LS40 today! Of course one of the best guns in the world is a SA 9mm, the SIG P210.

B_Scott
July 21, 2003, 07:55 AM
Thanks for all the info, ya'll.
A little clarity -
I did not know the cz was a double stack. That means it is out.

The Beretta I am talking about is the compact single stack version of the 92fs. I've held both the 92fs and the M and there is no comparison.

I don't NEED a single action. Just a nice smooth trigger.

Anyone care to comment on the Kahr's?

XLMiguel
July 21, 2003, 11:58 AM
Since you asked, I have a Kahr P-9, and it has a very nice trigger - it is a DAO, a bit long, but very smmoth with a nice crisp break at about 6-8 lbs. The gun had the 'slide lock problem' (it was an early production example)but a quick trip back to Kahr , and it has been 100% reliable with every quality PD ammo I've tried it with (and it's +P rated). My nephew has a late model and it has had no problems what so ever. HTH

usnavymasterchief
July 21, 2003, 05:00 PM
Search the gun auctions on line , www.gunbroker.com, www.auctionarms.com amd www.gunsamerica.com. When you come across a Smith and Wesson Model 39-2 with alloy frame, you will have found the best 9mm D/A-S/A semi auto pistol ever made. You will have to pay anywhere from $400 to $500 for a cherry one but it's worth every penny. Mine was built sometime in the 1980's and looks like it was brand new, it's had thousands of rounds of 9mm run through it without a failure of any kind, ever. It has adjustable sights, it's dead on accurate, feels like a 1911 in your hand (mine has full Pachmeyer grips) it's an outstanding firearm IMO.
Want something newer? I own a Kahr K40, I realize you want 9mm so you would be after a K9. From all that I have read and experienced, the all stainless models are much less troublesome than their all stainless brothers. Mine runs 100% after a factory recommended 200 round break in.
The really big advantage to the Kahr models is concealability, granted the all stainless ones are a little heavy but thats nothing you can't get used to.
Good luck in your search. John

Island Beretta
July 21, 2003, 05:39 PM
B_Scott:

You are right on the mark.. A Beretta compact 92 type M is the way to go..Try one out you will like it!! A mainspring changeout is all you want and you have a nice, smooth trigger.. not to mention Beretta's trademark reliability!! The BHP is slim but it is also very long.. A compact BHP is a winner as well.

Safety First
July 21, 2003, 07:23 PM
WHAT... No one suggested the Sig P-239 9mm single stack? All you guys were just being polite and letting me post that one because you know that is the only gun I have,right? geese, you guys are great:D

Coronach
July 21, 2003, 09:07 PM
I'm curious...why the ban on double-stack guns? If it is merely the fatness of the grip, I highly encourage you to handle at least a BHP, if not the CZ as well, before ruling them out.

Seriously.

Mike

B_Scott
July 22, 2003, 09:24 AM
I have tried my Glock 27 in a tuckable and it is just too thick. I am very tired of my ankle holster (I never feel like I can get to it fast enough when I run the senarios through my head).
The single stack only idea is not for grip comfort, it is for tuckability (I made that word up).

My gun store has a CZ75 SA and some Galco tuckables. I will go try it out.

About the Sigs - I have heard (but never shot one) that the high bore axis causes greater muzzle flip even with the correct grip. Correct me if I was misinformed.

I am leaning toward the Beretta 92 Type M. I shot the 92fs and the DA/SA transition was very smooth.

NEtracker
July 23, 2003, 03:54 PM
OK, although not single stack, I vote for the Hi Power!
Even though I like my P99 a lot, the trigger is just so different from my BHP.
Different tools, both nice, both concealable.

denfoote
July 23, 2003, 05:20 PM
The Kahr MK9 is a very nice pistol!! In the Elite 98 verson, the factory already does a trigger job for you. It is very smooooooth!! I have one that my lovely wife carries (she thinks it's "cute") The gun is designed around the 115gr +P+ round, loaded to 1300fps pressure, so it will handle the hot +P 9mm loads without any problem. It is single stack, double action only, is small enough to be carried anywhere on your person, and meets all your other requirements. The reliablity factor of at least the stainless steel version is excellent!! :D

hansolo
July 23, 2003, 05:20 PM
My S&W 910s is 100% reliable, just like my S&W .38 Special. The S&W 908 is compact and a single stack. @approx. $400.00, I'd bet my life on one. You could get the "Tactical" model at twice the price, but the "value line" is a bargain.

Stickjockey
July 24, 2003, 12:49 AM
Um...Helwan Brigadier? I think it was an Egyptian made copy of the Beretta M59(?)

8-round magazine

single action

Looks like a Beretta 92, only smaller.

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