We need more Western Films


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sixgun_symphony
January 10, 2003, 02:29 AM
There just aren't enough Western Films being made.

I would like to see Hollywood produce a new film about the Old, Old West where Lewis & Clark lead the Corps of Discovery to explore the Western Wilderness Frontier all the way to the Pacific Coast. It would make a good TV Mini series now that we are coming on to the 200th Anniversery of their expedition.

A film on Bleeding Kansas would be good. The PC crowd of course will love it because the Jayhawkers won that war against the Pro-Slavery side. I think it will just be an opportunity for a 19th Century action film.

I would like to see Tom Selleck play Billy Dixon in a film about the battle of Adobe Walls.

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Apple a Day
January 10, 2003, 06:26 AM
Isn't there a new Selleck film coming out soon? I seem to remember seeing an add for one.

geekay
January 10, 2003, 06:43 AM
Good idea as long as thy are REAL westerns and not the pshycological B.S. or P.C. garbage they been doling out this last twenty years. Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot have done a good job of bringing some of Louse L'Amour's yarns to screen and might be keen to do more, I hope.

David Roberson
January 10, 2003, 09:10 AM
Tom Selleck is in a new version of "Monte Walsh" coming out either late January or February. It's not clear whether this is a remake of the "Monte Walsh" that starred Lee Marvin and Jack Palance or if it's something different (apparently the original movie didn't include the entire Monte Walsh saga).

Unfortunately, Westerns aren't as popular as they once were -- it's mainly the over-40 crowd that likes them, and movies are made mainly for the 18-35 demographic -- and they're also expensive to make. That's not a good combination for those of us who would like to see more of them.

Joe Demko
January 10, 2003, 09:13 AM
Rent and watch "The Culpepper Cattle Company" and "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" to see the old west in all its grubby glory.

Kaylee
January 10, 2003, 09:57 AM
darn it sixgun, just you hush! I'm trying to ignore the siren call of an old-timey Rodeo SAA, and you're not helping! I neeed another gun these days like I need a hole in the head. :p


Oh yeah....
http://www.wolfhillarmory.com/ggranddad.jpg

This is my great granddad... my gramma says he was Waaaaay tall, and very striking, and I BELIEVE he's the one that was a sheriff in a distant part of rural texas shortly after the turn of the last century, when it was still a little "Wild West." She says she remembers seeing his gunbelt tossed over a post of his and her momma's bed in case he got a call in the middle of the night.

-K

xjer
January 10, 2003, 02:25 PM
Alan Autery from the tv series "In the heat of the night" has a
new western out. You can learn more about it at
www.dirtroadproductions.com.

It looks like it might be all right. Alan Autery is now a mayor
in California. He is suppose to be very pro Constitution.

Mike

PATH
January 10, 2003, 02:27 PM
Makes me pine for the days when Republic Pictures was rolling them out. I also love those Italian SPaghetti Westerns!

No they really don't make a lot of good Westerns anymore now do they!:(

Drizzt
January 10, 2003, 02:49 PM
For all the other worthless stuff they have on there, TNT is about the only place I know of to see new westerns.

At one point, wasn't there going to be a sequel to Silverado? I always thought that one was pretty fun. Not as fun as Quigley Down Under, but good all the same....

sm
January 10, 2003, 02:57 PM
Kaylee, what a striking photo! Sounds like a little history to me. Any way to research him?

Yeah I'm over 40, I like westerns, grew up with them. Told my age allows this attitude.

For just general entertainment The Sackett's with Tom Selleck, Sam Elliot, Kathryn Ross, are pretty good. Miss the 'ghetti westerns. But not many people grow up with or associate with them.

Still, I will check out the above and wait for another.

Skunkabilly
January 10, 2003, 02:59 PM
How about Shanghai Knights, the sequel to Shanghai Noon? Chinese guy comes to the US, does cowboy gunsringing stuff.

I should have been casted in that flick.

sm
January 10, 2003, 03:05 PM
I don't think sharkskin was time relevant.

The Image in my mind-Skunk-replete with twin Walkers, chaps, spurs , lever action saddle carbine...
Gee ,the tac alone would be worth the admisson price...:D
[kidding ya Skunk]

David Roberson
January 10, 2003, 03:19 PM
Drizzt, you're correct that there was supposed to be a sequel to Silverado. I question now whether it will come to pass. Some of the stars of Silverado are probably pretty expensive these days, particularly Danny Glover -- although Kevin Costner is probably reasonably priced now that his last four or five films have all tanked upon release.

ball3006
January 10, 2003, 03:31 PM
Hollywood is too much into the personality type AAAAA bald bigmouth cop movies to put out any decient westerns. SiFi tv channel is bringing out a series on the Tremors movies.....chris3

jjmorgan64
January 10, 2003, 04:03 PM
That's why I have the Westerns channel on my satelite dish, none of these dad blaimed new shows are as good as the old ones anyway, heck I don't mind watching them a couple of times.:D

Cliff
January 10, 2003, 04:38 PM
JM:
Affirmative on the Westerns channel,great movies 24 hours a day,and I don't mind watching a good shoot um up more then once either.:D

perry
January 10, 2003, 08:25 PM
There should be a josey wales part two.:what:

Gladius
January 10, 2003, 11:18 PM
"A film on Bleeding Kansas would be good. The PC crowd of course will love it because the Jayhawkers won that war against the Pro-Slavery side."

Sounds sort of like Ride with the Devil, which told the story from the side of the Bushwhackers (in particular, a young bushwhacker played by Spiderman Tobey Maguire).... the centerpiece of the film is a reenactment of the Lawrence, Kansas raid.... an interesting film, and not totally PC....

4v50 Gary
January 10, 2003, 11:44 PM
Good news guys. There's a new movie coming out on the Alamo.

I would like to see more Western theme productions. The Fetterman Massacre would be a good one. Something on the 24th & 25th Infantry (like a history show) or the 9th & 10 Cav. How about the Galvinized Yankees (former Confederates who agreed to serve the Union but not against their former countrymen)? Even the actions of the Confederate Cherokees would be good too (Stan Watie was the last Conf. general to surrender).

roscoe
January 11, 2003, 12:14 AM
The last decent western, and the only decent one in a long while, was Unforgiven. Not a whole lot of romanticization there. A little taste of what violence can be like, in my opinion.

sm
January 11, 2003, 12:28 AM
You think any of the old classic Westerns, if remade today would have the same impact as when originally made. New technology and all??
I don't.
I don't care for colorization either. The actors/actresses, and the 'feeling' I think best conveyed by the originals

sixgun_symphony
January 11, 2003, 01:47 AM
They should not remake any of the old classics.

But there is enough real history that would make a good Wester adventure film. Lots of story's that have yet to be told.

Perhaps more of the Old, Old West? As in fur trappers and Injuns? The Life of Hugh Glass is would make for a great movie.

http://www.monarchpress.net/images/hgcover.jpg

Mr Bill
January 11, 2003, 02:09 AM
My last two rentals have been the Trinity movies. In fact tonight I watch "Trinity Is Still My Name." I because the film was so blurry and the color so washed it was hard to watch. Sure would like to see more sequels or even have them re-made. Also watched "The Shootist" earlier this week. Watched it twice.
Had to turn off the DirecTV a month ago so I don't get the Western Channel anymore. Thought it was the only decent channel out of the whole lot. Wanted the outdoor channel too but that would've even cost more money. Can't afford $46 for TV stations any longer.
I'm 47 and think they should be making more of them. A lot more. JMHO.
Bill

sm
January 11, 2003, 02:22 AM
I'm also 47.

So what I'm wondering is our want for Western an "era" related thing. We learned values, moral, disipline, respect, gun handling (don't recall six shooters back then shooting without a reload), manners. Guns were accepted and taught in the home, schools... also.
Before Politics, PC and the like. Kids today I guess don't really have this media experience as we did.
Agree with the historical/biographical themes.

BigG
January 11, 2003, 06:39 AM
I agree. I've viewed lots of westerns and would like to see new stories. Josey Wales is one of the better recent efforts but it's 25 years old already! :what: Unforgiven is also a goodun.

BTW, you can leave Kevin Costner out. Dances With Wolves made me retch. :banghead:

ahenry
January 11, 2003, 10:42 AM
Good news guys. There's a new movie coming out on the Alamo. Yep, put out by the same company that did Pearl Harbor, Disney. :rolleyes: I’m not expecting much. Last I checked they had kicked out Ron Howard as the director, and inserted the guy that did The Rookie. It was an excellent movie and I assume that he is a good director, but I’m pretty sure Howard was interested in being as factual as possible, as he was making a sincere effort to be while he was still director. I am not sure about this other guy. One of the earlier copies of the script sounded to me like it would be ok if their focus was really the facts, but allowed for lots of PC crap if they weren’t. I’m excited about the possibilities, but incredibly leery of the pitfalls. Frankly I’m not expecting much. They were taking extras for the Mexican army and other big shots like that. The filming is supposed to start pretty soon and its being filmed outside of Austin. You can find lots of info about it here (www.thealamofilm.com).

Mr Bill
January 11, 2003, 03:28 PM
Re1973,
As I grew up in western NY our school bus driver was the owner of the local gun and tackle store. People would flag him down and hand him firearms to take in to have 'smith work done for them. He'd also return them same way, front door delivery via the school bus. I wasn't at all uncommon fo see a shotgun or rifle next to him on the bus. We even made detours to go check out some hunting feilds and tree lines.
As kids we'd buy unloaded 50 Cal rounds from him for 50 cents. I still have mine even to this day. Roy was an icon to us kids.
The students that were lucky enough to have worked in his store inhereted a rifle each from his estate. I lived to far away to have the opportunity. While back ther this past summer I asked on of the guys that got one of the rifles if he would sell it to me. It was a 25 rim fire. He was talking about having it converted to centerfire. I cringed. He said he'd keep me in mind.

While in college I was allowed to bring my handgun to school to give a class on how to shoot and handle a handgun. The assignmnent was to prepare and give an instructional speach.

Oh where did those good ol' days go, when kids would play cowboys and indians with toy guns that looked authentic?

I still like all the Clint Eastwood westerns. I was telling my daughter last night that I would just love to own the entire selection of western videos at the local chain video store. The only western video that I own is Cable Hogue.
Bill

4v50 Gary
January 11, 2003, 04:34 PM
I'll second the nomination for Hugh Glass.

OK, how about Death Wind Lewis Wetzel? He'd load his flintlock rifle on the run and spin around and blast a pursuer. Killed 3 Indians that way and the last one gave up saying, "No catch dat man... Gun always loaded." To his credit, Wetzel never harmed a kid or a woman (other than that gal who kept wanting to marry him - he ran too fast for her too).

David Roberson
January 11, 2003, 05:18 PM
Perry, they DID do a sequel to The Outlaw Josey Wales. It starred Michael Parks as Josey Wales. You can probably find it at your video rental place. I think it's called The Vengeance Trail of Josey Wales. Never saw it myself so I can't say whether it's any good, but I keep seeing it at my favorite rental place and I guess someday I'll give it a look.

Drizzt
January 15, 2003, 06:12 PM
Saunders: Cowboy in Selleck rides again
January 15, 2003

HOLLYWOOD Long before television went on its reality binge, six-guns and sagebrush dominated the schedules.

In 1959 B.C. (before cable) viewers witnessed a virtual stampede to the Western genre, as 28 series were regulars in the weekly prime-time network lineups. Matt Dillon, Wyatt Earp and the Cartwright clan from Bonanza were among the holstered heroes who made the home screens safe from outlaws, cattle rustlers and nasty, mustached villains who cheated at poker in saloons.

But eventually, the TV Western went thataway, to become, for the most part, fodder for trivia and nostalgia. Only occasional miniseries like the Lonesome Dove franchise brought cowboys back into fashion.

But if Tom Selleck were in charge of television, networks would provide more cowpokes - maybe not 28 shows a week, but enough to keep viewers entertained by what he calls "part of our heritage, part of our country's mythology."

Practicing what he preaches, Selleck, no stranger to giddyup dialogue and riding horseback, stars in Monte Walsh, TNT's 2 ½-hour cable movie premiering at 6 p.m. Friday with additional airings on Saturday and Sunday as part of the network's western weekend roundup.

Based on the novel by Jack Schafer (Shane), Monte Walsh tells of an independent Wyoming loner who won't quit being a cowboy even though the Old West is moving into a modern, motorized age.

Like Monte Walsh, Selleck won't quit "cowboyin' " - a least on the screen.

He's been playing Western characters for more than 15 years in cable films like Louis L'Amour's Crossfire Trail, which premiered in July 2000 with the highest movie ratings in basic cable history.

"I seem to relate to these Western characters," Selleck says.

"They're flawed, which I always find interesting. As an actor I like to play flawed characters.

"Western heroes, if hero is the right word, are basically good men who are struggling while trying to do the right thing."

Set in the final decade of the 1800s, Monte Walsh profiles the last of a dying breed - a genuine cowboy, an iconoclastic original who is experiencing firsthand the seismic changes technology is bringing. Eastern corporations are gobbling up Western land with little regard for the people who live and work there.

"I guess I'm an old-fashioned guy," muses Selleck. "We just went through the turn of the century and I don't know about you but I'm feeling a little left behind. I kind of miss the 20th century.

"That's what this movie is about. Monte can't cope with the changes."

Directed by Simon Wincer (Lonesome Dove), the tale, filmed in Calgary, has an expansive, wide-screen look - a must for a successful Western.

Selleck's stellar supporting cast includes Isabella Rossellini as a prostitute he loves, and Keith Carradine, William Devane and George Eads (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation) as cowpokes caught up in the evolution.

"If you're going to do a Western you have to cast it right," says Selleck, who's also co-producer.

"You also have to make sure the land and life are also characters in the film. This sense of environmentalism is one reason that a good Western's appeal is universal. Wide-open land without fences is a vision that appeals to all of us."

While overly romantic at times in its depiction of the Old West, Monte Walsh does convey the disillusionment of men who see their lifestyles crumbling on a daily basis.

And Selleck is ready to saddle up again any time a producer or a network offers another Western project.

Selleck certainly has support from TNT when it comes to pushing Westerns back into a TV focus.

The network will air 16 Western films (more than 52 hours of programming) during a three-day period, beginning at noon Friday with Quigley Down Under, starring Selleck and Laura San Giacomo.

Noted feature films include: The Magnificent Seven, Maverick, Chisum, Pale Rider, The Outlaw Josie Wales, Rio Bravo and McLintock!

TV movies in the lineup include Crossfire Trail, Conagher and Last Stand at Sabre River.

TODAY'S NOSTALGIA: On Jan. 15, 1981, NBC premiered Hill Street Blues, one of the most honored series in TV history. Initially, in the premiere episode, officers Bobby Hill (Michael Warren) and Andy Renko (Charles Haid) were supposed to die after being shot by a drug dealer. The second script was rewritten and the two continued as series regulars.

http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/entertainment_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_84_1673918,00.html

Shalako
January 15, 2003, 07:40 PM
Monte Walsh sounds good! But for the real western experience, you've just got to read a Louis L'Amour. I've got all 86 of them at home and if you want any recommendations, just let me know. I have read most of them twice and they are all logged in my spreadsheet for quick reference. I usually tell people to start with Flint, Callaghen, The Man Called Noon, or Shalako, but pretty much all the Sackett titles are good too.

Man I love Westerns!

ps. I just started the Larry McMurtry stuff and it is awesome as well. After that Zane Gray, I guess.

Ol' Badger
January 15, 2003, 07:53 PM
Perry

Read the book by Robert Foster. The vengence Trail of Josey Wales. He rides into Mexico and kicks everyones ***. And spits tobacco juice everywhere. We need more people to chaw tobacco. It builds character!:p

Safety First
January 15, 2003, 08:04 PM
Yup, Just not another one like The Duke !!!!!!!!!

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