Convert 92FS from Safety/Decock to Safety-only


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kle
November 19, 2007, 06:12 PM
Standard disclaimer: blah blah blah tried searching, found nothing blah blah blah please move to appropriate forum blah blah blah please be gentle.

I recently picked up a Beretta 92FS and I was wondering if it would be possible to convert the safety from "decock, block firing pin, and disengage trigger" to just "block firing pin and disengage trigger", to have it work as I expect a safety to work (i.e. no decock).

I figure that there are three ways to do this: modify the hammer release lever so that it is not touched when the safety is applied (i.e. file it down), modify the safety so that it doesn't touch the hammer release lever (somehow), or remove the hammer release lever altogether.

I've done some reading and I know there are versions of the 92 out there that do what I want already, but I'm wondering if I can have something like this done (or do it myself!) to my particular 92. Ideally it would be a reversible modification so I could put it back to safety/decock if I wanted to.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, but does anyone have any thoughts or ideas?

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Jimmie
November 19, 2007, 06:31 PM
There's a TDA without a decocker?

There's the 92D which is DA only.
The FS has the safety/decocker.
The G has the decocker/no safety.

Where'd you read about the no decocker version? Or are you referring to the DAO?

kle
November 19, 2007, 06:37 PM
Where'd you read about the no decocker version? Or are you referring to the DAO?

From what I've read, the 92 Brigadier (with the heavier slide) also has a safety that acts like I describe: disable trigger, block firing pin, but don't decock.

I'm wondering if there's a way I can get this functionality with my 92FS.

There's a TDA without a decocker?

I'm sure there are lots of traditional double-action pistols w/o a decocker...CZ-75 comes to mind--I fondled one at The Nation's Gun Show this weekend: the safety did not decock the hammer (allowing for Cocked and Locked). The safety also would not actuate when the hammer was decocked (not that it needs to be on 'safe' with a double-action...). There was no decocker.

This 92FS is my first pistol with a safety, and also my first TDA pistol--my other experience is with SA and DA/SA revolvers, DAO pistols, half-cocked striker-fired pistols, and my H&K P7. Thus I'm jumping into a new-to-me manual of arms.

I also wonder if it's possible to convert the 92FS to DAO, but the safety's quirks are enough to chew on for now =)

Jimmie
November 19, 2007, 06:59 PM
As I understand it, the Brigadier only refers to the recontoured, heavier slide. The "FS" or "G" before "Brigadier" still denote the operation of the pistol.

6_gunner
November 19, 2007, 07:36 PM
You want to be able to carry it cocked and locked, like a single action, right? I'm not very familiar with the Beretta, but I doubt that there would be an easy and reliable way to get it to do that. I'm sure it's possible, but it may require a gunsmith and lots of money.

You may consider getting a different gun. Like you said, the CZ-75 has the option of carrying cocked and locked or decocking the hammer. The Browning Hi-Power would be another option, but it is a single action. I personally prefer either of these guns to the Beretta.

Lonestar49
November 19, 2007, 08:24 PM
...

This very subject came up in the Beretta forum, and the report was:

If you have a 92fs F model decocker/safety, then it cannot be converted and the only way is to get, I believe is a D-model 92 slide, as the inner workings of the slide mounted safety-decocker, leave no room or way to convert it.

I could be wrong, but this was from many with both models, and all agreed on the on main answer, no. One has to buy a new D-model slide.


Ls

kle
November 19, 2007, 08:36 PM
You want to be able to carry it cocked and locked, like a single action, right? I'm not very familiar with the Beretta, but I doubt that there would be an easy and reliable way to get it to do that. I'm sure it's possible, but it may require a gunsmith and lots of money.

You may consider getting a different gun. Like you said, the CZ-75 has the option of carrying cocked and locked or decocking the hammer. The Browning Hi-Power would be another option, but it is a single action. I personally prefer either of these guns to the Beretta.

C'ed & L'ed, essentially, yeah. Not for carry, though--strictly range-only. I sold a Keltec P11 and a S&W SW9VE--both decent guns--for this 92FS (although it feels like holding the wrong end of a baseball bat compared to the P11 and the SW9VE). If I were going to carry, I'd get the CZ-75, too--it fits my hands better. That one's safety has its quirks too--the safety can't be applied in double action (but then it doesn't need to be, either). I'll probably get a CZ-75 anyways.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=201199 -- I did a google search and came up with a THR thread that mentioned that "only very few select Beretta 92's are cocked and locked."

Hmm. After examining the mechanism, it seems that it needs the "hammer release lever" to keep the "firing pin catch lever" in position (I'm going by the names of parts listed at http://e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=1150z92FS ), but the lever itself isn't there for any other reason than to be tripped when the safety is set. Thus, it's conceivable that all I'd have to do is to have the hammer release lever filed down so that it isn't touched by the safety...Too bad e-Gunparts.com doesn't have it in stock, or else I'd buy it and try it. Oh well =)

kle
November 19, 2007, 08:42 PM
If you have a 92fs F model decocker/safety, then it cannot be converted and the only way is to get, I believe is a D-model 92 slide.

Ah. Well, I'm trying to do this with a minimum of spare parts and money. I can live with it as-is, as it's a range-only gun (I even bought pretty wood grips for it). Thanks for the info!

Though I'll keep that in mind, since I'm also considering a .22LR conversion kit, which will also be a considerable chunk of money, and having a D-Model slide (and specifically its safety) would be more of a "drop-in" conversion (and wouldn't require tools, even). Now if I could find a source for a D-Model slide...

Navy87Guy
November 19, 2007, 11:05 PM
LoneStar is correct -- there is no way to "convert" a 92FS to a 92G (the decocker-only version). It is possible on other models (like the PX4) - but not on the 92.

Jim

kle
November 19, 2007, 11:24 PM
there is no way to "convert" a 92FS to a 92G (the decocker-only version)

Really? It isn't just a question of whether the slide has the G-decocker or the FS-safety/decocker installed? Dang. I'm really jumping onto this Beretta 92-wagon pretty late; my experience up til now is with handguns with the simplest manuals of arms...no safeties or decockers or nothin'.

Thanks, everyone, for the info!

Trebor
November 19, 2007, 11:29 PM
Check CDNN. I think they had some "D" model slides advertised recently.

I don't have the catalog in front of me, so I could be remembering wrong, but it's worth a call to ask.

kle
November 20, 2007, 12:05 AM
Check CDNN.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/beretta4.html -- all I saw were out-of-stock 96G slides/magazine conversions (same as in the PDF catalog). I might give them a call, though...

kle
November 20, 2007, 10:53 PM
Well...I should've examined the function more thoroughly--turns out the little pin that the safety pops down to "disengage the trigger bar" only disables it from cocking the hammer--I removed the hammer release lever, cocked the hammer, and engaged the safety. The hammer stayed cocked, but when I pulled the trigger, the hammer was dropped--not good. Oh well. Guess I'll have to get a CZ75 or a 1911 if I want real cocked-and-locked =)

Thanks, everyone!

dsk
November 20, 2007, 10:56 PM
Your other option is to trade it for either a Taurus PT92 or an early Beretta 92 with the frame-mounted safety.

Ouzo
June 20, 2014, 12:12 AM
Hey I know this comes years late, however I had a 92fs in the late 90s I did not like the decocking either. What I did was remove the decocking lever and made a small round bush to fill the gap where the lever sat. This allowed the safety to be engaged without decocking, now in the safe position if the trigger is pulled you are correct the hammer will drop however if you look at the back of the gun where the hammer falls when you engage the safety it rotates and covers the firing pin which keeps it safe.....I lived in zimbabwe at the time and carried my beretta almost daily for many years I also put many rounds through it.....not once did a have an AD....this modification I believe is safe and will work on you 92FS

NoVA Shooter
June 20, 2014, 01:58 PM
.....not once did a have an AD....this modification I believe is safe and will work on you 92FS

Being lucky and safe are two different things. Just because you never had an accident doesn't make it safe.

RX-79G
June 20, 2014, 02:02 PM
Being lucky and safe are two different things. Just because you never had an accident doesn't make it safe.
Beretta, Taurus, Tanfoglio, CZ, Colt and many, many others have sold hundreds of thousands of guns that people manually decocked. What's your point?

Ouzo
June 25, 2014, 06:13 PM
Nothing to do with luck....unless the trigger is pulled the beretta will not fire even if the hammer drops.... Correct handling of any firearm will prevent AD etc.
The modification described does not remove the safety it just over-rides the automatic de-cocking.
In fact I have since found the part required for this is available at brownells

http://www.brownells.com/schematics/Beretta-/92-96-FS-D-M-22-Practice-Kit-sid882.aspx#r31sid882

Ouzo
June 25, 2014, 06:16 PM
Sorry when the link opens click on the red 31 on the exploded view, this is the de-cocking lever....all available part options for this will be brought up.

Anyone looking to remove the de-cocking.....it's as easy as $2:)

Ouzo
June 25, 2014, 06:24 PM
Well...I should've examined the function more thoroughly--turns out the little pin that the safety pops down to "disengage the trigger bar" only disables it from cocking the hammer--I removed the hammer release lever, cocked the hammer, and engaged the safety. The hammer stayed cocked, but when I pulled the trigger, the hammer was dropped--not good. Oh well. Guess I'll have to get a CZ75 or a 1911 if I want real cocked-and-locked =)

Thanks, everyone!
Well...I should've examined the function more thoroughly--turns out the little pin that the safety pops down to "disengage the trigger bar" only disables it from cocking the hammer--I removed the hammer release lever, cocked the hammer, and engaged the safety. The hammer stayed cocked, but when I pulled the trigger, the hammer was dropped--not good. Oh well. Guess I'll have to get a CZ75 or a 1911 if I want real cocked-and-locked =)

If you look at the firing pin at the back of your beretta, when the safety is engaged it turns it over and covers it completely hence even pulling the trigger on a live round when safety is engaged....it will not fire.

Jim Watson
June 25, 2014, 09:17 PM
I once looked at a S&W with the idea of making a hammer release lever with a hook that would capture the sear instead of cramming it back.
But it is flat, the Beretta part is more complicated.

As Ouzo says, just take it out, you will still be protected by the other safety features.

beeenbag
June 25, 2014, 09:42 PM
Wow, 7 year old thread revived!

JTQ
June 25, 2014, 10:05 PM
Both Wilson Combat and Allegheny Gun Works will convert a safety/decocker Beretta to a decocker only.

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/custom-beretta.asp

I believe Allegheny can convert a 92D to a frame mounted safety.

http://alleghenygunworks.com/index.php/services-packages

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