[6_gunner]

Okay, sometimes something will pop into my head and I just have to investigate it. :scrutiny:

I understand that the m1895 Nagant revolver will shoot pretty much any kind of .32 ammo, including the .32 H&R Magnum. So, will it shoot the new .327 magnum? I know nothing about the .327 cartridge except that it exists, so this may be a stupid question. I'm assuming that it's the same caliber as the rest of the .32 family, but that may not be the case. For all I know, they wouldn't even fit in the chambers of a Nagant. But if they do, has anybody been crazy enough to try it? :uhoh:

I don't have a Nagant revolver, so don't worry about me blowing myself up. I'm just curious.

[461]

Well, I doubt anyone has tried it as the ammo isn't out yet. I don't know the dimensions of Nagant cylinder so I can't say if it'll fit but I would strongly caution against it if it fits. The pressure of the .327 is going to be a significant increase over the H&R so could become dangerous.

[6_gunner]

Didn't realize that ammo wasn't out yet. I warned you I wasn't very familiar with the cartridge. :o

[461]

Actually it may be out to a very small degree, but it's unlikely to find it very easily yet. I've heard the SP-101's are shipping but probably haven't made it past the distributors yet.

[Gaucho Gringo]

I found this report on the .327 mag here:http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/st327_110707/
According to the article they took a .32 H&R mag case and lengthened it 1\8 ", sounds like a familiar way to make a new cartridge. The guns will also fire .32 S&W longs and shorts and .32 H&R mag too.

[GooseGestapo]

Interesting......
However, does it use 0.311-0.313" bullets like all the other aforementioned ".32's" ??????????????

Perhaps it's sort of a rimmed .30Carbine............

There really isn't anything new under the sun...............

[SWMAN]

THE .327 Ruger magnum is DOA.:what:

[Walkalong]

I understand that the m1895 Nagant revolver will shoot pretty much any kind of .32 ammo, including the .32 H&R Magnum. So, will it shoot the new .327 magnum?
A very knowledgable person from THR posted in an earlier thread that the .327 Mag would blow a Nagant all to H***. I myself would believe him. :uhoh:

[Cosmoline]

The .32 H&R is magnum in name only, but this one is the real thing. I suspect it would blow apart a Nagant.

[grayelky]

THE .327 Ruger magnum is DOA.
Is this an opinion or do you have additional information?

[Libertymarch]

I think possibly this could be a good caliber with more development. However the muzzle blast will probably be considerable. Prehaps with some low flash propellants like the ones in remington golden saber. The advantage I can see is lower recoil than .357, and 1 extra round. This is a good snubnose revolver i think. The ability to pop off more rounds because of less recoil makes sense to me. I hear all the time about how the round has to be heavy like 158 grains or more. But does it really matter when your up close and personal? The energy after all = mass X acceleration. It remains to be seen if this will prove to be a good concept, or will be another .32 failure. I want to test this revolver out for myself though.

Silas L

[Warren]

Sounds like an interesting round. Still though, .327 Mag? They couldn't have gone with .326 or .328 just to avoid the inevitable confusion with the .357?

Some people, and journalists get mixed up easy enough and now this comes out?

I just know that boxes of .327 and .357 will be shelved together due to inattention and will be purchased by folks who wanted "the other one".

Not to mention the whole gunstore verbal ballet:

"Yeah, I want to look at a .327 Mag"

"Don't you mean the .357 Mag"

"No I mean the new .327 Mag."

"Tain't no such thing."

And so on....



A minor quibble, yes but it should have been addressed.

[Shawnee]

I'll wager $7 in small, unmarked bills that "SWMan" is quite correct.

:scrutiny:

[Jamie C.]

I'm still trying to figure out where they got the "7" from... Aren't all .32 cal pistol bullets between .312 and .314 diameter? That's a fierce bit of rounding up if so.

Would'a been better off using the average outside diameter of the cartridge case and calling it the .335 Federal magnum, I think. ( I'm assuming here that the case diameter s the same as the .32 H&R mag )

Then again, who knows? Maybe ".327 mag" will catch on... *shrug*

No matter what it's called though, I think I still want one. :D



J.C.

[SWMAN]

Is this an opinion or do you have additional information?

It is my $.02 worth. Why, as a .357 shooter, would I seriously buy a caliber that I can likely reproduce by reloading or buying right now? For practice, I shoot 158 grain SWC at 1400 fps, a soft, easy round. For carry, I use 125 grain SJHP at 1450fps. I look at the 327 magnum as just another new round Ruger is bringing to market with no real purpose not already covered by one of the existing rounds currently on the market. Look at the number of 357 revolvers currently owned by shooters, does anyone really think even half are going to run out and buy a 327 that essentially duplicates what already exists?

[trueblue1776]

SWMAN-

I respectfully disagree, there are many shooters who never drank the big bore fanatic kool-aide. I haven't bought a new gun in some time, but I will most certainly be buying the new Ruger.

The biggest reason I want a .327 is economy, namely the price of bullets. Unlike other .32s in the past, this one can throw those bullets with authority.

Now the last smaller new cartridge that was put out (the Sig) is doing quite well, while I can name at least five big bores that have died on the shelves in the last five years.

[Jamie C.]

My interest in the .327 comes from the fact that it's supposedly a caliber that can be had in a smaller 6-shot package than a .357, with near-similar performance, but with reduced recoil and, possibly, reduced muzzle flash/blast.

Now, if it proves to not live up to the claims made of it, then yeah, I can see where people won't have much reason to buy one. On the other hand, if it does meet those claims, at least to a large degree, I have a hard time seeing any reason that people wouldn't find it appealing.

The SP101 in .327 mag also sounds like one that my wife - and possibly many other women as well - would find more to their liking than one in .357 mag.

And as I've said elsewhere, a small 6-shot revolver with a 3 inch barrel, that'll handle 4 different sizes/calibers of .32 ammunition, sounds a whole bunch better as a CCW than a polymer auto-loader in .32acp. :p ;)


J.C.

[DWARREN123]

I think it was named 327 mag to work off the 357 mag name. The 32 H&R mag can do very well if hand loaded properly for a modern firearm.
A lot of folks have cried for a small caliber round with lots of power so maybe this will go somewhere.
May have been better if this round came before the 32 H&R mag.
Just my opinion.

[Cosmoline]

It fills a real gap in factory ammo. Whether or not that gap needs filling is another question, but the round has my interest.

[.41Dave]

If S&W would make a 4" J frame "kit" gun ala the model 34 and model 63 in this caliber, I'd buy 2. Likewise, if Ruger would chamber the single-six in .327, I think I'd have to get one.

[Gaucho Gringo]

I have 2 .357 revolvers and I am interested in the .327. I have physical problems that are not going to get any better. I can still shoot my .357's now but in 5 years who knows if I could handle the recoil. It would be nice to the option of a lighter recoiling gun with decent energy specs. It always pays to look ahead as change for better or worse is a given. Just my opinion.

[A Nonymous]

"The energy after all = mass X acceleration."

Eh? I think it's mass X velocity squared.

[Virginian]

I see the 327 as another attempt to sell more "stuff". I don't fault Ruger or anyone. Selling stuff is the name of the manufacturer's game. I don't see where it is 'needed', but hey why do I 'need' more handguns than I have hands?
I don't think the .223 was 'needed', either. America's final shift from accuracy to spray the bushes mentality. It works. But the M-16 platform could have, and does, handle many other cartriges. People are relatively easy to knock down, because of their very extensive nervous systems. It's a fine varmint caliber, but there are eleventy dozen other fine varmint calibers.
Why all the super short magnums? People like to play with stuff is reason enough really.
I think we should stop trying to "sell" each other for or against the 327. If you want to have one for concealed carry or whatever, more power to you. If I choose to have a 44, more power to me. The dead bad guys probably won't care what size the hole are.

[PAPACHUCK]

I waiting for Taurus/Ruger/S&W to offer a 3" or 4" revolver chambered in the .327 Federal Magnum.

I would definitely buy one.

[JohnL2]

I am keeping an open mind about this new round. And I am pretty sure I may pick up a SP101 in this chambering later on. Seems like a perfect match up for portability and concealment when you don't feel like carrying around a "brick" all day.
As mentioned by other posters, it does seem like a perfect load for women who are turned off by big bulky handguns and powerful muzzleblast. And you are definitely not sacrificing in terms of terminal performance.
Looking at the performance specs, I am puzzled at why guys are getting down on this load when it offers near .357 mag performance without the negative aspects.

[researchdoc]

.327 Fed Mag is over 40,000psi...
I wouldn't put that in a Mosin.
Recipe for disaster.

[MCgunner]

I'm thinkin' the brass is tougher and since it's longer, would reduce freebore in a Nagant. Handloaded to .32 long pressured, maybe it wouldn't split so often and would give a little better accuracy? As to shooting .327 factory loads in that antique? NOT ME!

[MrBorland]

As mentioned by other posters, it does seem like a perfect load for women who are turned off by big bulky handguns and powerful muzzleblast.

.327 Fed Mag is over 40,000psi...

I think the round has merit, and I'll be looking forward to checking it out, but at this pressure (higher than a .357 magnum), I predict it'll be a loud round. Even if recoil is lighter, it may have an impressive blast - no small issue for recoil-shy shooters.

[researchdoc]

MrBorland,
Spot on. Pressure is about 10,000psi greater than the .357 mag. Recoil is a bit less than a full house .357 mag.. but a bit more than the .38 special. It is not a gun for the meager as one has been led to believe. Report is LOUD. The SP101 handles it quite well, but it needs to be in a tough revolver like that.

[MCgunner]

If it can't be chambered in a small scandium revolver, I'm betting it dies on the vine.

[researchdoc]

Yes.. I agree.. however, Freedom Arms is supposed to have or is coming out with one for hunting.. might be good for the small game. But like you say, we shall see...

[Seafarer12]

Don't try it....

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.327 Fed Mag is over 40,000psi...
I wouldn't put that in a Mosin.
Recipe for disaster

Thats why you tie it to a fence post then tie a string to the trigger and get behind a tree and pull. If it blows apart you will no not to try it again.

[Zundfolge]

Unless S&W puts out a J-Frame in .327FedMag then it will be nothing more than the .45GAP of the wheelgun world.

Even then, I don't know if it'll catch on, but who knows (people said .40S&W didn't have a prayer either).

I wonder if it will sell well in those parts of the world where "military calibers" are illegal.

[RUT]

I want one............

[BobBill]

See this also...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=315207&page=3