Beretta 21A Tomcat range report


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firestar
July 18, 2003, 07:11 PM
I just got a Beretta 21A as a replacement to my jam-o-matic/break-o-matic Kel-Tec P-32. I only had enough time to run 8 rounds trough it when I got it but today I got to shoot it much more.

It is just a matte blue used 21A that looks to have been carried a lot and shot some but not as much as it was carried. It is nothing close to new.

I shot at least 200 rounds in an effort to make it jam. I had intended to keep shooting it until it jammed but that never happend so I am happy about that. At first, I loaded some Winchest X-Perts that wouldn't feed. I didn't expect them to work because they don't work in any of my semi-auto .22s for some reason. I decided to scrap that idea and went to a box of Rem Golden Bullets that I had. These are cheap and tend to misfire once in 500 rounds or so. I shot over 200 of these with not a single problem.

The gun is both accurate and reliable. It can be fired extremly fast and stay on target because of the good grips and low recoil of the .22lr. It points quite well when I tried some unaimed fast shooting. I figuire that this is the type of shooting that this gun will have to preform if I ever need it to defend myself with. I shot about 100 rounds this way and got better the more I shot. I think I will be practicing this type of shooting a lot with this gun until I get to when I can draw it and fire all the shots into a pie plate size target as fast as I can pull the trigger. I am close but sometimes my first and second shot are a little off target. I just need more pratice to find out where it points and I will be there in no time. Next time, I will buy some CCI Stingers and see how they work, if they are just as reliable, I have found a new mouse gun for every day carry.

I did some accuracy test to see just how well it shoots. It has tiny sights that are hard to see in certain light but the DA and SA trigger are surprisingly good. In DA it is smooth and long but breaks nice. In SA, it has more creep but it is light and smooth also. Very easy to shoot with the good trigger and low recoil and the tiny sight are very precise if you can see them. I was able to pick off shotgun shells at 10 feet and hit clay targets at 30-35 feet. I never shot it at paper so I don't know how tight a group I can expect but the sights seem to be right on and need no Kentucky windage.

As a mouse gun, I think it is a good choice for someone who understands that it may not be a "fight stopper". It is what it is, a tiny .22lr. It is not much of a caliber but it is better than nothing and better than a unreliable gun. It holds 8 shots safely and can be fired fast and accuratly with just a minimun amount of practice. I am happy with it as a pocket gun but I do understand its limitations.

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Ledbetter
July 18, 2003, 07:24 PM
Glad you like yours. I like mine, but just for tiny gun practice so far. You're doing real good in the accuracy department.

Rich357
July 18, 2003, 09:38 PM
Hi firestar,

Congratulations!

Just one nit pick, the Beretta 21A .22lr is called the Bobcat. The Tomcat is the .32auto Beretta.
http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm

I have a Beretta 21A Bobcat. It's highly reliable.

Rich

10-Ring
July 18, 2003, 09:54 PM
Excellent! Beretta does make a fine mousegun ;)

firestar
July 19, 2003, 03:25 AM
BOBCAT! :o I was only calling it a Tomcat because that is what others called it. It doesn't say Babcat or Tomcat on it anywhere, just Beretta 21A and "BCS" I don't know what that stands for.

Thanks for the info. I don't have the manual so all I know is what was written on the gun "Read owners manual before shooting".:D

firestar
July 19, 2003, 04:20 PM
Sold it for $150! I was very happy to only take a $120 loss on it also. I paid about $280 for the POS-32, uh, I mean the P-32 and I felt like I took adavantage of the poor guy that bought it! I just hope he never sells it to someone that needs a reliable gun to defend themself!

I told the gun store guy that I had problems with it but all he saw was the profit he could make. Moral of the story? Simple, don't EVER buy a used P-32! Most people have problems and sell them so you are much more likely to get a bad one if you buy used.

Nick96
July 20, 2003, 11:10 PM
I can't figure out why Kel-Tec doesn't just do the "fluff & buff" or whatever to make those P-32's more reliable and durable out of the box. Obviously it can be done with some work. Maybe they figure they already have a lock on the .32 mouse gun market.

Their new P3AT is a very promicing platform. One would hope they will do the necessary QC to make them quality pieces from the get go. If they do - SIG, Beretta, Walther, Bersa, NAA, etc. might as well get out of the .380 business. A .380 mouse gun along the lines of the P-32 - with the reliability & durability of say a Glock - would be unbeatable for that market nitch.

Kentucky Rifle
July 22, 2003, 02:09 PM
I have a 950 Jetfire that's perfect. I've just always thought that the long, thin .22's might jam. Indeed, I've heard guys talk about their Beretta 21 .22 cal jams. But lately, so many people are posting such good things about the 21 .22 caliber--well, there IS this inox model in my dealers showcase.:) I reckon I might go buy it and hope it's a good one. He knows I want it. He "steers" me toward it every time I go in so that it's jusssst in the corner of my eye. I'm a VERY weak man when it comes to great new little "jewel-like" firearms.

KR

firestar
July 22, 2003, 08:42 PM
Kentucky Rifle,
If the price is good on that 21A, I say get it! I would prefer the Inox and may get one someday but the blue/black finish isn't rusting on me and I carry it IWB in a leather holster. It is hot and I sweat on it all day and leave it in the leather holster to dry out when I get home and still no rust.
:) It is really getting molded to that holster.

I think the .22lr will probably jam more often than the .25acp but I have not had a jam yet and my friends gun has been going strong since break-in also. I am really impressed so far.

If you buy that gun and you don't like it, you won't lose much money as they sell pretty good and have high resale value. Kel-Tecs have very low resale value because there are a LOT of people trying to unload them right now. I had to go to several gunshops before I found one that would even consider taking my Kel-Tec. I took the first and only offer and was happy to get it.

clange
July 22, 2003, 10:18 PM
Most people have problems and sell them so you are much more likely to get a bad one if you buy used.
As i did, but a quick trip to the factory for a fix and hard chrome upgrade seems to have fixed it.

Kamicosmos
July 22, 2003, 11:52 PM
I was going to suggest trying to hit a pop can at 25 feet with the 21A, but it sounds like you're doing better already!

I really like the 21A. I bought mine when I worked land survey. Kept it loaded with those little birdshot shells to keep snakes at bay. Never came across a snake after I started carrying it though!

Great little gun, and mine has never jammed either. I run Winchester SuperX in mine.

firestar
July 23, 2003, 01:56 AM
I never said that I hit all my targets all the time.:D I think the times that I missed my target, it was my fault. I think this little gun is very accurate but with any small gun, you have to do your part if you want to hit.

The interesting thing about the day was, I went with a friend and a guy that had never shot a gun before. The new shooter was not bad for his first time but when he tried to shot a snub nose .38, he couldn't even get close to the target. He was missing by several feet! It is much harder to master these short barrel handguns because any error with put you clear off the target.

I doubt I will even try shooting past 30-35 feet unless it is just for fun with the Beretta 21A. It is really designed for close range.

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