How to help win the Heller case.


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F4GIB
November 20, 2007, 08:22 PM
Here's how you and I can help win the keep and bear arms case now before the US Supreme Court.

Academics for the Second Amendment
Post Office Box 131254
St. Paul, Minn. 55113


Academics for the Second Amendment ("A2A") will be filing an amicus brief in the US Supreme Court in support of Mr. Heller (and urging the Supreme Court to affirm the Court of Appeals decision that the DC gun laws are unconstitutional). As one of the several pro-gun amici, we'll be taking an approach that focuses on the ratification process in 1791 and the meaning and usage of terms found in the Second Amendment. We will show that no one in America, at that time, could have understood the amendment to preserve a state or government organization's "right" and that everyone who did speak out did so in the context of a meaningful individual right to keep and bear arms.

District of Columbia v. Heller will decide whether or not the Second Amendment protects any American from gun bans and confiscations.

Preparing and filing the amicus brief will take thousands of additional dollars. A2A will be facing attorney fees, printing expenses, filing fees, travel and lodging expenses, etc. We have some money but not enough.

A2A is a tax-exempt educational organization recognized under IRC 501(c)(3) [that makes your contributions tax-deductible]. Our primary goal is to give the “right to keep and bear arms” enshrined in the Bill of Rights its proper, prominent place in Constitutional discourse and analysis.

A2A was formed in 1992 by a number of present and former law school teachers, joined by historians, political scientists, and philosophers of government, who believe it is time to stand and be counted in support of a complete Bill of Rights which includes an individual right under the Second Amendment. The organization seeks to foster intellectually honest discourse on the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and, of course, the environment in which academics, judges, politicians, and the public place the rights preserved by the Second Amendment.

A2A has filed friend-of-the-court briefs (A2A was an amicus in the U.S. Supreme Court in Lopez and the U.S. Court of Appeals in Emerson), sponsored academic symposia, encouraged media commentary, supported research and publication, and challenged the legal profession and the public to appreciate the place of the individual right to keep and bear arms in the American constitutional scheme. A major endeavor has been a series of “Open Letter” advertisements signed by groups of University and College professors. The signers cannot be dismissed by the media as “gun nuts” nor can their statements be ignored as without foundation. Their academic records and reputations are too strong for that to occur. The message is simple – the Second Amendment is there, it does preserve a meaningful individual right for responsible persons, and it cannot, without duplicity, be overlooked or interpreted into meaninglessness.

We need your help. If you believe in full and fair discourse on the Bill of Rights, A2A should receive your support. A2A is open to all. You don’t have to be “academic” in order to join. Your contributions are tax deductible. Please don’t ignore this request --- copy this post for a friend, forward it on, and send in your check.


Very truly yours,

Joseph Olson
Professor of Law
President

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Oleg Volk
November 20, 2007, 08:36 PM
I think this is a good initiative.

jkingrph
November 20, 2007, 08:56 PM
Where should donations be sent?

F4GIB
November 20, 2007, 11:35 PM
Where should donations be sent?

To: Academics for the Second Amendment
P. O. Box 131254
St. Paul, MN 55113

They are in the process of opening a PayPal account so that they can receive e-mail donations. They know PayPal is evil but there's no viable alternative.

kludge
November 20, 2007, 11:50 PM
um, gear pay?

why give paypal 3%? give it to someone who supports the cause.

woo18
November 20, 2007, 11:51 PM
What other organizations will be filing amicus briefs? I am sure they will need all the help they can get.

F4GIB
November 21, 2007, 01:24 AM
um, gear pay?

Because they don't provide the same level of customer service.
GearPay.com is currently working to provide Debit and Credit Card services.

F4GIB
November 21, 2007, 07:40 PM
There is now a PayPal donation button at the A2A web site.

http://AcademicsSecondAmendment.blogspot.com

vito
November 21, 2007, 08:23 PM
I never heard of this group and am hesitant to send them money. I would feel much better if I received a request from a recognized 2A support organization such as the NRA.

legaleagle_45
November 21, 2007, 08:42 PM
I never heard of this group and am hesitant to send them money. I would feel much better if I received a request from a recognized 2A support organization such as the NRA.

I know for a fact that Joseph Olson is involved in writing one of the three primary amicus briefs that Gura really wants written.... Olson is the point man for writing that brief and submissions are filtered through him. Beyond that, I am not at liberty to say.

Davo
November 21, 2007, 10:19 PM
I find it ironic that they use paypal.

F4GIB
November 21, 2007, 11:57 PM
Unfortunately, Vito, you have no contact information at all. You don't accept PM's or e-mail. So it is difficult to respond to your concerns.

You could, however, read this article by Professor Olson and David Kopel.
http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html

Or this more recent one by Professor Olson.
http://law.hamline.edu/files/Olson_MN_Citizens.pdf

230RN
November 22, 2007, 01:31 AM
Direct Contributions:

Academics for the Second Amendment
P. O. Box 131254
St. Paul, MN 55113

If Dave Kopel worked with Olson, he must be on the up-and-up.

I'm sending a counter check from my bank with no printed ID lines on it, and my signature is an illegible scrawl. No return address on the envelope. Chances of it getting lost are infinitesimal and consequences small if the check does get lost.

I make a lot of anonymous donations that way so they can't put me on mailing lists. Yuch. I was going to have my bank print up some with just "Anonymous Donor" in the pre-printed portion, but they suggested the counter check method instead.

(And they're happy to have me pack in their bank. :) )

I wouldn't use Paypal if I had to buy baby food.

flashman70
November 22, 2007, 12:10 PM
I just kicked in a donation. Only $25, but every little bit helps.

Noxx
November 22, 2007, 12:49 PM
I find it ironic that they use paypal.

I know a lot of folks from this board boycott paypal, and I understand the motive. However they are the fastest, easiest way to move relatively small portions of cash around the internet. When I do choose to use Paypal for convenience and speed, I think of it less as funding the enemy, and more as using their own conduits against them.

Megistopoda
November 23, 2007, 02:24 PM
Generous donation sent!

Everyone should know that Olson and Hardy are among leading academics who argue that the 2A protects our individual rights to own firearms. Hardy produced the documentary called "In Search of the Second Amendment" which is excellent. It might not be an overstatement to say that David Hardy was THE person who helped bring the academic community back around to the individual rights position...and even some very influential and "liberal" scholars. In fact, Hardy might well be THE MOST important person behind this entire movement and court case! His blog is "of arms and the law."

Alan Gura works closely with all these different people and I assume is working toward the end result that these briefs will all complement one another and cover all the bases.

The Olson/Hardy brief will take "an approach that focuses on the ratification process in 1791 and the meaning and usage of terms found in the Second Amendment. We will show that no one in America, at that time, could have understood the amendment to preserve a state or government organization's "right" and that everyone who did speak out did so in the context of a meaningful individual right to keep and bear arms."

This will be a critical brief, and will be very professionally done. You should not hesitate to send a check to these folks to help with the costs of their brief. It's now or never, folks. Remember, these guys can't and won't go to the Joyce Foundation for their $$...

I don't like paypal either, and sent a check. But I advise you all not to miss the forest for the trees here....

F4GIB
November 23, 2007, 11:17 PM
Bills Gun Shop and Range in Robbinsdale and in Circle Pines, Minnesota
has a special "incentive" for Minnesota (and Western Wisconsin) residents who contribute to A2A's fund drive. For details, see: http://www.twincitiescarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7163

tabsr
November 24, 2007, 02:04 AM
Great group in Minnesota, sent my donation.

Kim
November 24, 2007, 02:32 AM
Money Sent. This is the most important money I have ever spent.

ilbob
November 24, 2007, 01:17 PM
sounds like a good cause. if we get a few hundred people to send them $10 or $20 each, we can maybe make a difference.

better than just anonymously spouting off on the internet.

Harley Quinn
November 24, 2007, 05:00 PM
Its before the supreme court guys all the BS is over. They are in command and have blindfolds on. Money donated will be spent to continue the orgainzation to which you are sending nothing will be done.

When they hear it and the gavel falls it is the "Law of the land".

Heller was great name one time for hammers and tools, now it will be known as the case that came out of the top court... Heller remember it, for it will be a "Heller" for many I am thinking.

dmftoy1
November 24, 2007, 05:58 PM
alright, my bit is in. I sure hope this case does change some things.

Chevy-SS
November 24, 2007, 06:22 PM
PayPal'd him $50. I hope he can make a difference.


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Well Regulated
November 25, 2007, 10:27 PM
What other organizations will be filing amicus briefs? I am sure they will need all the help they can get.


http://www.virginia1774.org/LegalNews.html

F4GIB
November 27, 2007, 10:13 PM
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F4GIB
January 1, 2008, 02:51 PM
This is from A2A's web site.

Total cash contributions for 2007 is $10,529.58.

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

We are over 1/5 of the way to our goal. Litigation isn't cheap!

If you haven't contributed, do so now. It's a new tax year.

You can contribute at http://AcademicsSecondAmendment.blogspot.com

If you have, how about reposting the OP on other pro-gun Boards that you frequent? That very beneficial to A2A and free to you.

F4GIB
February 6, 2008, 02:46 PM
A2A's 33 page amicus brief written by Professor Joe Olson, Lawyer David Hardy, and Historian Clayton Cramer is at the printer. It gets filed on Monday.

They've raised about 1/2 of their budget. See their web site: http://academicssecondamendment.blogspot.com/

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