21 out of 100 ROUNDS JAMED!!


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Dgreno
November 21, 2007, 02:17 AM
So, I went shooting over this past weekend and had a blast, for the most part. My current generation Taurus Mil-Pro PT145 refused to eat most of what I fed it. :banghead: Seriously though, 21 jams out of 100 rounds!!!:cuss: This was Remington's 230 JHP's, Magtec 230 gr FM J's and 230 gr Hydra shocks (carry ammo). I had a few of each jam (well more than a few). So I can rule out bad ammo, the only thing left is something weird with the gun. The mags look fine and the feed ramp is smooth as glass. I only have about 300 rounds through this gun total. This is extremely beyond unacceptable to me, so I need to get a new gun for my ccw. For now, I am back to my summer piece (S&W 442). What do you all think of the glock 30. It is about the same size and weight to the 145 I am used to so that is a plus. I just have never owned a Glock. Should I stay away or jump on the wagon and never look back. Also, Glock advertises 3 safeties, what are they other than the trigger?? Thanks for inputs guys. I am also open to suggestions for fixing my Taurus but I don't think I can trust it for ccw.

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Jackal
November 21, 2007, 02:20 AM
Try a different bullet weight?

GLOOB
November 21, 2007, 02:24 AM
3 safeties, yeah. Some would say that it's like having NO safeties. But on the other hand, the gun will absolutely not fire unless the trigger is pulled. And the trigger-in-trigger safety means that a glancing blow won't pull the trigger. Also, the safeties automatically reengage when you let go of the trigger. If you like the way that sounds, then go for it. You will probably not get 21 jams in a lifetime!

10-Ring
November 21, 2007, 02:26 AM
I really like my Glock 19 and have been a fan ever since I got it a few years ago. The safeties work as follows (per Glock site):
The “Safe Action” system is a partly tensioned firing pin lock, which is moved further back by the trigger bar when the trigger is pulled.
When the trigger is pulled, 3 safety features are automatically deactivated one after another. When doing so, the trigger bar is deflected downward by the connector and the firing pin is released under full load. When the trigger is released, all three safety features re-engage and the GLOCK pistol is automatically secured again.
The G30 is another fine example from Glock! ;)

ArchAngelCD
November 21, 2007, 03:49 AM
For now, I am back to my summer piece (S&W 442).
What's wrong with the S&W M442 for all year round use?

Also, I'm a little surprised to hear you are having so much trouble with the PT145. I've hear very good things about it and it's gotten good write-ups too. 300 rounds should be enough break-in time but this pistol may need 500 rounds.

JDGray
November 21, 2007, 06:11 AM
Send it back to Taurus, let them fix it:) Still not satisfied, a G30 or my favorite G36, would fill the bill. Sorry bout your luck:(

Neophyte1
November 21, 2007, 07:54 AM
Dgreno: Sir; That unit must have a major flaw. Could be minor to fix; dang ; it sure doesn't sound like to much fun:confused:

Sir; call Taurus; explain your deal; "ask them to send a box" for it. Hold your position; it is a service problem.

Most seem to think Taurus service will do you right.
Follow up with your experience.

rkhal
November 21, 2007, 07:56 AM
You will probably not get 21 jams in a lifetime!


I own GLOCKs. What is a jam?

Mad Magyar
November 21, 2007, 08:43 AM
Try a different bullet weight?

Why? This pistol should handle all types of ammo...Practically all articles written by gun writers include the standard mfgr. excusal: "Try all types of ammo to see what your pistol can digest best."
What a line!:fire: Right out of Dr. DoubleSpeak.....

this pistol may need 500 rounds.

Straight out of the mfgr's "excuse bag" to delay a deluge of bring-backs....:rolleyes:

Sistema1927
November 21, 2007, 09:36 AM
In fear that my idea will also be dismissed by others on the sidelines, let me ask this:

Did the pistol have any jams during the first 300 rounds? If not, then possibly you have had a failure somewhere (extractor?) since then, OR the weapon may not be properly cleaned and/or lubed. When did you last field/detail strip it and give it a good flushing out and re-lube?

Hokkmike
November 21, 2007, 10:11 AM
All I can say is give it to Taurus or a competent gunsmith and tell them not to give it back until it shoots 100%. If the problem can't be remedied then get rid of it.

jonboynumba1
November 21, 2007, 10:28 AM
I can't understand that...everyone on the internet says Taurus semi-autos are as good as anything out there. :rolleyes:

03Shadowbob
November 21, 2007, 10:29 AM
Get rid of the Taurus and try a few other guns. I got rid of my MilPro and got the Glock 36. Best little gun I ever shot and is incredibly accurate.
I like the 36 because the grip is closer in size to the MilPro than the 30.

gudel
November 21, 2007, 11:01 AM
This was Remington's 230 JHP's, Magtec 230 gr FM J's and 230 gr Hydra shocks

There's no excuse a gun doesn't work with these ammo. They all work in my HK's.

Try a different gun. :)

Michael N. STL
November 21, 2007, 11:53 AM
I had a jamming prob. with my Mil-Pro PT145 (third. gen) and after trying everything else it came down to the mags. (which looked fine) I bought two(aftermarket) mags from Midway USA and it shoots great. 1500 rounds and not a stutter.

silverlance
November 21, 2007, 12:12 PM
1. did you clean the gun before shooting?

2. is the extractor or extractor spring broken?

3. how old is this gun? new or second hand?

Jackal
November 21, 2007, 12:14 PM
Sorry to hear all the trouble. I had a Taurus PT111 9mm that I had ran 700rds through without cleaning once. I never had 1 single malfunction. I just traded it to a friend and his first range session he put 350rds through it and not 1 single malf either. Its kinda funny, people single out Taurus for "lemon guns", but the sad truth is that most all major makers have the same troubles with quality control that Taurus does, but dont get the publicity. Look at Springfield with thier Socom rifles. I have heard countless tails of this $1600 rifle having to go back to the factory because of gas system issues or jamming troubles.

Whirlwind06
November 21, 2007, 12:39 PM
Replace the mags, Taurus has an on going problem with mag springs.
Send the mags back to Taurus and have them send you some new ones.

tinygnat219
November 21, 2007, 12:49 PM
Are you firing +P ammo through this gun with any of your rounds? If so, stop. The gun's not rated for it. Also check the Guidespring rod assembly to see if the spring is starting to come around the plug on the end. I had this problem after firing +P ammo out of mine. I replaced the Guidespring rod assembly and then had problems with it going into battery after the first shot.
If all else fails, send it off to Taurus but be prepared to wait.

I got rid of mine. I think I would still have it if I hadn't fired +P out of mine.

GlockamaniaŽ
November 21, 2007, 02:10 PM
Adding to 10-Ring's reply.

3 Glock safeties:
Trigger Safety: An external lever mechanism contained within the trigger that prevents the trigger from moving unless the lever is depressed.

Firing Pin Safety: A spring-loaded pin attached by an extension bar to the trigger assembly blocks the striker from striking the primer of the cartridge until the trigger is pulled.

Drop Safety: The far end of the same extension bar locks the striker into place from the rear until the trigger is pulled.

AndyC
November 21, 2007, 02:34 PM
My bad - deleted.

mpmarty
November 21, 2007, 02:46 PM
First off, how was it jamming? Nose down against the frame and not even touching the feed ramp on the barrel? If so, that's a magazine problem. Nose up with the back end of the case only half or less of the way up the breech face? That is an extractor problem. Lastly, quit using 230 gr ammo and read the manual. Taurus recommends nothing heavier than 225 or less and their own ammo designed specifically for this gun is 185 gr barnes solid copper hollow points. My single action / double action third gen PT145 now has over a thousand rounds through it and i can't FORCE it to fail to function perfectly, tried everything including limp wristing, holding it upside down, using cast wad cutter 265gr Keith type bullets in handloads etc. This has to be the timex of pistols it takes a licking and keeps on ticking.:D

Whirlwind06
November 21, 2007, 02:59 PM
Lastly, quit using 230 gr ammo and read the manual. Taurus recommends nothing heavier than 225 or less and their own ammo designed specifically for this gun is 185 gr barnes solid copper hollow points.


Why in the world would any company, design a .45 acp pistol that will not work with the most common round for that caliper?

Taurus 617 CCW
November 21, 2007, 03:06 PM
My PT 145 had to get sent back to Taurus for a fail to fire problem. My girlfriend and I were at the range shooting it and about half way through the third mag it stopped firing. I looked at some of the suspecting rounds, not even a primer strike. Back at home I took the slide apart and found a part broken, the firing pin lock, it was in three pieces. Taurus told me to send the gun in for repair work. It has been five weeks now and I am still waiting for it to come back. I've heard it can take a while so I am trying to be patient but I am not very impressed with the PT 145 overall.

KBintheSLC
November 21, 2007, 03:11 PM
Sorry to hear about your misfortunes. With that many problems, it sounds like the gun needs to be sent back to the manufacturer. Even the crappiest guns work better than that. Probably a defective part.

As for Taurus, I think they make great revolvers. However, I am not terribly fond of their autos. If a visit to the factory doesn't fix it, I would get rid of it. The G30 is a proven weapon. I own the G26... love it. I have shot the 27 and the 30, and they are both excellent by any standard. My Glock has never had a single hiccup in a couple of thousand rounds of every type of ammo I could throw at it.

Best of luck.

CWL
November 21, 2007, 03:53 PM
I agree with mpmarty, what is your definition of "jam"? failure to extract, double feeds, stovepiping, failure to fire? Was it the first round, was it the last in a magazine? These can be indicators of what's going wrong.

I only have about 300 rounds through this gun total.

what was your experience with the first 200 rounds?

E357
November 22, 2007, 01:25 AM
I had similar problems with my PT-145 -- all Failure to Feed. I tried to correct it myself (having deal with Taurus service many times). This was a big waste of time. I loved the package (size, weight, firepower, etc.) I traded it back where I bought it for a Glock. I'm normally a revolver and 1911 guy. But you've got to love the simple and reliable design of the Glock.

I reported my experiences in detail over on the Taurus BBS and the moderator removed my post. This was about a year ago or so when the new model 145 first came out.

Elliot

wuchak
November 22, 2007, 01:40 AM
If your experience is anything like mine with Taurus you will end up paying the overnight shipping cost to send it to them and they will have it for about 12 weeks. If you're luck they'll fix it the first time. It took them three tries with my titanium revolver and 12 weeks each time. Loved the gun until the second time it had to go back. Hated dealing with Taurus customer service. I wouldn't give a bucket of spit for another one of their products.

duckjihad
November 22, 2007, 08:32 AM
Read an article by Clint Smith the other day about a Taurus 1911. Great gun he said......except the extractor broke around 1300 rounds. Ya figure, they advertise with his mag, so he can't out and out slam em. But that seems to be a recurring comment. "Life time guarantee" all the Taurus fans point out. Okay. But isn't that like a life time guarantee on a parachute? My Dad has owned several Tauruses. He's sent two back to take advantage of the lifetime guarantee. He's done that with one Ruger too. But never had any warranty work on the truckload of Smiths or Colts he's had pass through his hands. Not slamming Taurus, but if it walks like a duck........

Mad Magyar
November 22, 2007, 09:14 AM
I reported my experiences in detail over on the Taurus BBS and the moderator removed my post.

Now that's funny....:D

jahwarrior
November 22, 2007, 12:17 PM
a 21% failure rate is unacceptable in any gun. first of all, i don't believe in "break in" periods. a well made gun should function out of the box. it shouldn't be picky about ammo. it should fire if you've cleaned it or not. it should fire if you're hanging upside down from a redwood tree during a blizzard with a blindfold on. i currently carry two guns, a S&W sigma and a cobra ca380. the sigma has gone 2,000 rounds without a single problem. the cobra has fired close to 200, with only one problem, which is probably mag related. a cheap cobra pocket pistol! if i were you, i'd send that gun back to the factory today, and demand they fix the problem. when you get it back, sell it and put the money towards a better gun.

i know every gun will have at least one malfunction during its lifetime. i just believe that once it begins to malfunction, it's reached the end of its lifetime.

bluetopper
November 22, 2007, 01:06 PM
I wish Taurus had customer service like Hi-Point does.

Dgreno
November 22, 2007, 06:01 PM
Thanks for all your comments guys. Taurus says that 230 gr bullets are fine with this gun btw. the problem was either failure to feed, stovepiping on feed, or double feed with one round stovepiping behind the one that went into the chamber (for the record, that only happened once. I think I am going to get the G30 in a few weeks and in the meantime, send the 145 back to taurus. Sadly enough, parisite is right, Hi-Point's customer care is better than tauruses. I have been saving for another handgun. I think ill trade the taurus in for another Hi-Point when it comes back...
Thanks for all your suggestions and happy Thanksgiving to all!!

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