buying a 9mm


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mekender
November 21, 2007, 09:04 PM
today i decided to start doing some formal research into buying my first 9mm... im basically going to go through each available type till i find the one i like... since im looking at approximately a month and a half to two months before i can make this purchase, ill have plenty of time im sure to get really familiar with what im going to buy...

i want either a full sized or a compact, no pocket or sub-compact guns and i want it to not cost a small fortune...

so what ive done is started a blog, and im going to run through makes and models and post my research on each one i look at... if anyone has help or suggestions, please let me know, the site address can be found in my profile and comments on the site are appreciated

thanks again

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LanEvo`
November 21, 2007, 09:28 PM
sorry for the double post!

LanEvo`
November 21, 2007, 09:31 PM
I hope you put the CZ-75B (http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/CZ75.htm) on your short-list. One of the sweetest shooting, most accurate 9mm's I've ever shot (certainly the best D/A). I personally think the trigger is even better than the much vaunted Sig Sauer. IMNSHO, the only 9mm that's any more accurate or has a better trigger is the P7M8.

mekender
November 21, 2007, 09:34 PM
yeah the CZ is definitely on my list... after hitting about 30% inside the 8 ring at 50yards with one, i was impressed

alucard0822
November 21, 2007, 11:35 PM
try out or hold as many as you can, what you might like, me or anyone else might not, and visa-versa, but the short list of what most newer shooters I have worked with have shot well, find accurate, and reliable.

CZ75-probably your best bet, very accurate, comfortable, durable, and smooth. DA/SA with maual safety

Beretta92-great if you have big hands, more or less does most of what the CZ does, but some prefer one over the other. DA/SA with manual safety

Ruger p-series- clunky, bulky, but cheap and reliable, I have never been a big fan of these despite trying out several, they are somewhat uncomfortable, and therefore harder for me to fire quickly, or accurately.

Glock 17/19- legendary reliability and simplicity, average accuracy, grip angle is swept kinda far, and finger ridges on newer ones don't fit a lot of people, spongy trigger and can feel flimsy, but parts and accesories are available everywhere.

Walther p99- very comfortable grip, very accurate, and fairly rigid for a polymer framed gun, striker fired, but has a decocker pannel in the slide and can operate like a DA/SA, the trigger takes some getting used to, to me it feels a little sloppy, and releases too far back.

M&P 9 -just got a compact a little over a week ago, but have put a few hundred rounds through a full size also. Extremely rigid and comfortable, simple controls, quite accurate, and probably the least felt recoil, and muzzle flip of any non-comped 9mm I have fired, the trigger feels good, a crisp 5lbs. The compact is actually more like a sub compact, and fairly small, I bought it to carry, so for this role I think it will be ideal, but for any other use the full size would be better, so far the compact is a little ammo sensitive, and had a few failures to go completely into battery with 147gr gold dots, but that seems to have stopped after a couple hundred rounds to break it in.

hi-power-a classic, reliable, accurate pistol, basically to 9mm what the 1911 is to 45, comfortable, heavy, but a good shooter, the charles daly is a practical bargain at $350, the FN or Browning are very nice, and fairly comfortable with big hands.

1911, a few 9mm versions are available, and make for a really soft shooter with the best trigger ever invented, a double stack para can be a little hard to find, is heavy, but is probably the most natural pointing pistol around, a little ammo sensitive, but is dead accurate.

Sig 226- fantastically reliable, very accurate, and is a good size, a small fullsize, or a big midsize. I really do love sigs, and for a reliable aluminum framed pistol with an exposed hammer da/sa decoker operation, no manual safety and a fairly good trigger, this is the one, a little pricey though, but I have come to love the DAK trigger system, basically a good DA revolver trigger on an auto.


hope this gives you some ideas, what pistol is best for you right now is purely subjective, and a personal choice, there are lots of other choices not named, but these are the models I have a decent ammount of first hand experience with, own, or have owned in the past. Try out the models that you can, hold, aim, and check operation on the ones you cannot fire, and pick what feels best to you.

JDGray
November 22, 2007, 06:08 AM
What LanEvo said:) Best shooter I own!

Texastbird
November 22, 2007, 07:18 AM
I got to examine one of the new Ruger SR9s at the gunshow last weekend and it looked very promising. If you want a striker fired pistol, check them out. I love my P89, but yes, there are sexier 9mm pistols out there. The CZ is one of them. It all boils down to how much you want to spend and which gun fits your grip and style of shooting the best. Have fun!

Geno
November 22, 2007, 07:29 AM
Glocks, Springfield XDs and such are nice, but the Browning High Power is one of the sweetest pistols on the market. Just my two cents.

Doc2005

Mad Magyar
November 22, 2007, 08:26 AM
You might consider the Daewoo DP51C. Very reliable, priced reasonably around $325 n.i.b., and fires in three modes, a.k.a. "Fast-Action". The full-size is standard issue for the R.O.K. armed forces....The pic is the compact....
http://i17.tinypic.com/6k8fjo7.jpg

armoredman
November 22, 2007, 09:24 AM
I'm biased...


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/silverplatter.jpg

Ala Dan
November 22, 2007, 10:27 AM
You might as well add the SIG-SAUER P228 to your "short list"; or if you
want a single stack, the same companys P225 or the Smith & Wesson
model 39-2 would be excellent choices~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

Thaddeus Jones
November 22, 2007, 11:07 AM
Don't forget to check out the S&W 3913. I prefer the early version, without that idiotic luggage rack under the dustcover.

Superbly accurate, truly reliable, perfectly proportioned.

IMHO, THE best CCW compact 9mm in existance. TJ

Pilot
November 22, 2007, 11:49 AM
Browning Hi Power or CZ-75 variant. I like the CZ-75D PCR for both range and carry.

mekender
November 22, 2007, 12:18 PM
im going to spend the next month or so documenting my research, hands on experiences etc, if interested, heres the link

http://mytwiztedreality.com/

takhtakaal
November 22, 2007, 12:56 PM
Figuring out which 9mm is like the torture test we go through on nights when dinner isn't on the table:

"Do you want a waitress? Fast food? Ethnic? Decent burgers? Do you just want to run to the market and pick something up? Domino's?"

You've done some of the work already by eliminating sub-compact firearms, and you state that it should not cost "a small fortune." The conditions that you place on your search aren't absolutely relative, but could be open to interpretation. Flexibility is always your friend.

First off, will you be carrying this concealed on your person, or will it merely be a range and nightstand gun? If it's range and/or stay-at-home, size isn't that much of an issue. For carry, "compact" pistols tend to conceal better, especially those that are "melted" so that sharp edges in their frames and slides are reduced to lessen snagging on clothing while drawing from concealment.

Part of the concealment question is your build. Some people can hide anything. Other people are built so that a bunch of keys looks like a bowling ball in their pocket. Generally speaking, larger people with loose clothing have an easier time.

Another part of the concealment question is magazine capacity. More capacity means less concealment, all other things being equal. If you feel confident with eight rounds, you can have a flatter, more discreet profile. Otherwise, count on a bigger grip circumference. Take into account the fact that any spare magazines that you carry are also part of the bulge issue.

I'm assuming that you're right handed, as is 90% of the population. If not, understand that controls are not universally ambidextrous, and that certain pistols are more left-friendly. Choosing something means picking up a lot of pistols at gun counters, and, ideally, renting, where you can, and shooting a few of them.

Will you want to attach anything? A laser? A light? If so, many modern service pistols already come with a front rail under the barrel -- but you'll have an easier time buying one new, as opposed to used. Two separate points for consideration -- let's break them down.

Lights and lasers on your own turf are more defensible, should you ever need them, and you wind up before a judge. Unfortunately, outside of the house, they might make you look like Charles Bronson. Also, if you carry, lights and lasers require that you either carry them separately -- which is semi-pointless and additional bulge -- or that you get a special holster. There are lasers that take the place of guide rods, but not for all pistols.

Used pistols are generally quite a bargain, and quite often police turn-ins come in to wholesalers well-equipped, broken-in, not yet shot-out, and usually having been inspected on a yearly basis by armorers. The downside of such an older pistol is generally two-fold: more difficult to use modern gizmos, and cosmetic defects from having been banged around in a patrol environment.

SIG, in fact, has a certified pre-owned program. Also, turned-in, ex-police Smith & Wesson 3rd generation pistols (those with a four-digit model number) are generally sleepers with high functionality, long service life, and very little curb appeal -- and thus, very, very reasonable. Back to SIG -- there have been a ton of ex-German police SIG P225s (P6 in their nomenclature) imported -- good pistol, generally carried a lot and shot very little. Also, ex-police weapons quite often come with night sights, which are indispensable for a carry weapon.

Think about whether or not you're looking for double action only, traditional double action/single action, or a Glock-type trigger. Perhaps a 1911? Also, do you want mostly metal, or mostly polymer? Metal frames tend to transmit recoil so that its perception by the shooter is lessened. Polymer frames, less so -- although they are lighter in the belt, which is important, especially after eight hours of lugging one around. Your choice of action will be dictated by your comfort level with operating a pistol that has, or hasn't, two trigger modes and the possibility of a decocker. Practice with rentals here is a great help in making an intelligent, informed decision.

Hope that helped -- if it did, it probably introduced more questions at this point, which isn't necessarily bad.

My personal choices? Older, single column: SIG P225 or S&W 39-2. Older, double column: SIG P228 or S&W 6906. Modern: Walther P99/P99c AS.

ETA: One more thing - hammer versus striker fired, and the presence or absence of a second-chance trigger pull. Mr. Richard Feder of Fort Lee, NJ, you ask a lot of questions!

olav_a
November 22, 2007, 06:04 PM
I really like my S&W 952-1. Very accurate and reliable.


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/olava1/952-1/952-1002.jpg

W.E.G.
November 22, 2007, 06:23 PM
Find one that:
1. Fits your budget
2. Fits your hand
3. You can shoot accurately
4. Suits your style

...and in that order

Outcome will vary from one man to the next.

Aahzz
November 22, 2007, 07:54 PM
Don't forget to check out the S&W 3913. I prefer the early version, without that idiotic luggage rack under the dustcover.

Superbly accurate, truly reliable, perfectly proportioned.

IMHO, THE best CCW compact 9mm in existance. TJ

I must concur - my 3913 is the one pistol with which I shall never part.

For full-sized, I adore my S&W 5906.

tbtrout
November 22, 2007, 09:36 PM
You just have to go and fondle as many as you can and narrow it down to a couple. there are a lot out there.

sdj
November 22, 2007, 09:58 PM
First off, will you be carrying this concealed on your person, or will it merely be a range and nightstand gun?

If you can get that one honestly answered, you are well on your way.

Nice post, takhtakaal!

Jrob24
November 22, 2007, 10:44 PM
I'm quite happy with my Walther P99 AS, but I recently fell in love with the springfield XD9 so give it a look too.

curmudgeon and anarchist
November 22, 2007, 10:46 PM
Sig 228, 229
Glock 19
Glock 17

I like the new 229 elite in 9:D

10-Ring
November 23, 2007, 12:40 AM
If I'm recommending short lists, make sure you include:
Browning Hi Power, Glock 17 & 19 & HK USP 9

Enjoy your quest!

Sun195
November 23, 2007, 12:55 AM
If there is a range that rents them, try as many as you can. Something I like (G19) may be something you hate. I thought for sure my first handgun was going to be a Beretta, but I just liked the Glock better. YMMV.

kd7nqb
November 23, 2007, 12:58 AM
My Thoughts

BHP's and 1911's are great but they are total classics, if you more of a new wave kinda guy you might want something else

Glocks are good, they go bang every time and never twice. They are ugly as sin but they have more followers than most other guns.

XD's are pretty sweet, but you need big hands for them to fit nicely

M&P's are GREAT I own one and love it, but they have had their own issues too. They are new and shiny if thats your style.

Sig's are nice, they might violate your small fortune requirement.

USP's are pretty nice, ok they are very nice but a bit spendy. I have never shot one so I cant qualify.

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