What'll be gone in 20 years?


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Topgun
July 19, 2003, 12:19 AM
Other than me, I'll pick

460 Rowland
480 Ruger
17 HMR

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Mike Irwin
July 19, 2003, 12:23 AM
.450 Marlin

.45 Glock

Campusninja
July 19, 2003, 12:38 AM
IMHO:
.25 acp
8 mm Mauser
44 Special
.30 Carbine

(covers top secret time machine)
FREEDOM
:cuss:

Edward429451
July 19, 2003, 12:46 AM
Store bought ammo.

Oracle
July 19, 2003, 12:52 AM
.44 Magnum is here to stay, as long as it is around, there will always be .44 Special ammo available.

As for what won't be around in 20 years, I think that all the currently available rounds will be available in 20 years, plus a few new ones. When is the last time you saw a caliber seriously go out of production? Even .41 Magnum is still around. If I had to pick one that would go out of production, it would probably be the .400 Cor-bon. I don't think that one ever really caught on.

Mike Irwin
July 19, 2003, 01:03 AM
"When is the last time you seriously saw a caliber go out of production..."

6.5 Remington Magnum, .45 Auto Rim, .351 Winchester Self Loading Rifle, .32 Remington, possibly the .30 Remington, .45 Winchester Magnum, 9mm Winchester Magnum (I THINK both of those have been dropped).

Just a couple to go out in the last few years...

Schuey2002
July 19, 2003, 01:06 AM
.41 Magnum.

:uhoh:

4v50 Gary
July 19, 2003, 01:31 AM
Heck, the .58 Minie ball is still going strong and that's over a century old.

WonderNine
July 19, 2003, 02:04 AM
With all the .25ACP guns still out there I seriously doubt that there wont be any ammo for them in production in 2023. They still even make .25's!

You know what would be nice? A new .25 caliber round with a slightly longer case loaded much hotter than a .32ACP. A 50-60gr. cartridge loaded at about 250 ft./lbs. would do nicely. "The Winchester .25 Magnum centerfire". That would make a kickass concealable firearm in a tiny package.

Autolite
July 19, 2003, 02:13 AM
but I'm thinkin' that regular folks won't be able to purchase anything 'new' that's semi-automatic. I hope I'm wrong ...

Standing Wolf
July 19, 2003, 02:43 AM
First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment.

Majic
July 19, 2003, 03:52 AM
For some reason people keep trying to throw dirt on the .41mag, but the caliber has always slowly and steadily gained in acceptance.

I can't see the Glock 45 or the .480 Ruger surviving unless other makers start building models for the calibers.

Jim March
July 19, 2003, 05:46 AM
Dick Cheney

MicroBalrog
July 19, 2003, 06:14 AM
AWB, FOPA-1986, GCA-1968

Guy L Johnson
July 19, 2003, 08:49 AM
Sarah Brady

tiberius
July 19, 2003, 11:00 AM
You know what would be nice? A new .25 caliber round with a slightly longer case loaded much hotter than a .32ACP. A 50-60gr. cartridge loaded at about 250 ft./lbs. would do nicely. "The Winchester .25 Magnum centerfire". That would make a kickass concealable firearm in a tiny package.

Wondernine, I think NAA has this in their plans, but it will be a necked down .32 ACP case.


What'll be gone?

1. Gun shows (at least in their current form)
2. Private gun sales w/o FFL
3. unregistered firearms

MicroBalrog
July 19, 2003, 11:05 AM
What'll be gone?

1. Gun shows (at least in their current form)
2. Private gun sales w/o FFL
3. unregistered firearms


Gun control is dying. In 20 years, we'll go shooting together, I'll bring a PKM, you bring some ammo.

Orbital-Burn
July 19, 2003, 11:13 AM
at the rate the liberals are going,

the USA

Sportcat
July 19, 2003, 11:15 AM
Hillary Clinton :D

telomerase
July 19, 2003, 11:23 AM
>Gun control is dying. In 20 years, we'll go shooting together, I'll bring a PKM, you bring some ammo.

That's right. Things have been getting worse for a long time, but there's a limit to stupidity. 20 years from now your main problem will be your grandchildren asking you how you could have been so stupid as to put up with gun control, Prohibition II, worse-than-medieval tax levels, etc.

tiberius
July 19, 2003, 11:37 AM
MicroB,

I agree that gun ownership and licensed carry are becoming more prevelant, but I still predict a movement towards more controlled gun ownership - but not prohibition. With America's panic over terrorism and general fear of everything, I am predicting that national gun registration will be inacted for the purpose of tracking terrorists or some such fanatasy. A future director of the gestapo, oops I mean Home Land Security, will make an impassioned plea that we need to track illegal arms transfers and either admistratively inact the registration or get it through a sympathetic congress.

Look at what has happened at the aiport, where fingernail clippers are now considered "illegal weapons" and people seem to find this reasonable.

We hard core RKBAers know that registration is wrong because it will lead to eventual confiscation, but most Americans do not see this. Most laws are inacted with good intentions (afterall, we would like to prevent terrorists from having guns, right?). It si future adiministrations that may truly misuse the data.

Of course, with national registration of all firearms there will no longer be a "need" for FFL's so maybe my other points can be discounted.

Of course, I may be wrong.... I hope so.:)

Oracle
July 19, 2003, 11:52 AM
Mike, aren't there some manufacturers who make some of those "obsolete" calibers? I believe that Georgia Arms makes 9mm Winchester Magnum, at least.

As for our rights going away, I don't really know. I do know that it's now easier to lawfully carry a firearm in most places than it's been in 100 years or more, and that things seem to be turning around on the RKBA front, but that doesn't mean that things like that can't change. I guess it's just something we'll have to wait and see on, and keep working to improve our ability to exercise our rights.

tiberius
July 19, 2003, 11:58 AM
As for our rights going away, I don't really know.

What kind of reply is that from a guy named "Oracle" :D

Mike Irwin
July 19, 2003, 12:00 PM
"Mike, aren't there some manufacturers who make some of those "obsolete" calibers? I believe that Georgia Arms makes 9mm Winchester Magnum, at least."

Yep. Essentially you can get just about ANYTHING that you want in the way of old, obsolete ammo, which technically means that nothing is obsolete, just moribund.

In a practical sense, though, obsolete is probably best defined as no new firearms being made for it, and ammo not available from either the original loader or one of the other BIG ammo manufacturers.


As for the .25 NAA, I think it's already come, gone, and been pronounced dead, hasn't it?

tiberius
July 19, 2003, 12:28 PM
Mike,

I just checked the NAA site and found the following from the owner/president of NAA. NAA isn't Rohrbar (sp?) so I think we can assume it is still on its way.


this on the message boards.
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:06 am:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, the 25NAA is under development as we 'speak'. We are expecting a visit and update from Peter Pi of CorBon next week.

and this on Sandy's "soapbox" page

25NAA _ Progress Report

This project continues to advance, albeit very slowly some times. CorBon is awaiting the delivery of sized 32H&R cartridges, which would be the foundation of the 25NAA. Look for another report in 90 days.

Kentucky Rifle
July 19, 2003, 01:01 PM
KR

Malone LaVeigh
July 19, 2003, 02:15 PM
A lot of wetlands, farmland, rainforest, free-flowing rivers, wildernesses without guardrails.

Hopefully, the 2-party system...

NIGHTWATCH
July 19, 2003, 02:20 PM
This present American Government. The U.N. (ashes). The infringements and violations of our liberty. And every other obstacle to freedom on our soil. :fire:

Rupestris
July 19, 2003, 03:28 PM
A lot of wetlands, farmland, rainforest, free-flowing rivers, wildernesses without guardrails.

Unfortunately, I think you're right ML. I've been watching hundreds of acres aound where I work turn from forests, fields, and farmland to Industrial/Business Parks, $500,000/house subdivisions, and Home Depot parking lots. Trafic has exceded what most roads can handle durring rush hour.

As for ammo. Because of the newer technology and the relatively low cost to create new rounds, I don't think we'll see any go away completely. In fact I'd bet that the 5mm rimfire ammo makes its way back on the shirt tails of the .17HRM success.
Of course the gun makers might just be comming out with new rounds to keep the buyers interested in the next new thing.

What might go away in 20 years:

The Super Short Magnums

J Miller
July 19, 2003, 04:56 PM
:mad: FREEDOM :(

carp killer
July 19, 2003, 05:29 PM
Anything that can be reloaded will always be here. Rimfire stuff could disappear. Like the .22 extra long, .25 rimfire, ect.

As far a freedoms go, it will depend on who gets on the Supreme Court bench. And that depends on who gets to the White House. Can you imagine Charles Shumer as Chief Justice!:what: TEOTWAWKI!

Sven
July 19, 2003, 07:14 PM
What'll be gone in 20 years? CMP Garands! Get em while you can!

firestar
July 19, 2003, 07:26 PM
45 Glock

Kel-Tec

Many of the 1911 makers. There are a lot of people making 1911s right now and it is just a matter of time before the recent 1911 fad declines and companies fail. I like the 1911 but it is in a high point right now that I don't think will continue forever. 1911s will still be around but many of the makers won't. Dan Wesson, Charles Daly, Rock Island Arms, etc. Kimber, Colt and SA will still be here but some of the smaller companies won't.

PileDriver
July 19, 2003, 10:40 PM
this country is we don't wake up quick

Moparmike
July 20, 2003, 05:51 PM
The ideals and freedoms that we hold dear. I only hope that I will be asked why we put up with taxes and regulations by our grandchildren instead of having to explain that there was an "old Bill of Rights" and that those were the things we held dear and being called "crazy" by those same grandchildren for that antequaited and dangerous system.

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