Britain's rise in violent crime....


July 19, 2003, 08:55 AM
Agricola, Your "Sun" newspaper seems nearly as factual as
"The Washington Post"

"A Nation Stalked by Fear"

Political Editor

BRITAIN is living in fear as crime soars across the nation, two damning
reports revealed last night.

Official figures showed that rapes and street violence were rocketing —
despite attempts by Home Secretary David Blunkett to twist the
statistics and play down the crisis.

And a survey proved that many Sun readers were terrified of falling
victim to thugs, muggers, aggressive drunks and junkies.

Police numbers disclosed that violent crime leapt 22 per cent last
year, with female rape increasing by 27 per cent — from 8,990 to 11,441.

Overall, police recorded 5,899,450 crimes compared with 5,525,316 the
previous year.

That represented a RISE of 7 per cent. But the Home Office claimed
instead there had been a 3 per cent FALL because the figures were inflated by changes to the classification of crimes and the way they were recorded.

The disturbing statistics showed:

Murder, manslaughter and killing of infants JUMPED by 18 per cent, from
891 to 1,048. Violence against individuals ROSE 28 per cent from 650,474
cases to 835,101.

Wounding and violence involving weapons was up 11 per cent from 28,796
cases to 32,104. Offences under the Firearms Act LEAPED from 3,247 to 3,572. Assaults on police officers were UP 12 per cent to 33,742.

Blunkett ... played down crisis

Sexual offences ROSE 17 per cent from 41,427 to 48,654, including a
sharp INCREASE — 13 per cent — in gross indecency with children.

Child abduction cases were UP 45 per cent, from 584 to 846. Cruelty or
neglect of children was UP 34 per cent to 4,109 cases.

Joyriders killed 55 people compared to 35 the year before, a 57 per
cent RISE. Deaths by dangerous, careless or drunken driving were UP 12 per cent from 370 to 413. Deaths caused by car thieves rocketed by 57 per cent, from 35 to 55.

Indecent assaults on women ROSE 14 per cent to 24,811. Male rape was UP 17 per cent and indecent assaults against men up 14 per cent to 4,096.

Drug offences INCREASED 16 per cent to 141,116 including a 17 per cent
rise in possession and a 14 per cent rise in trafficking.

There were 1,109,370 recorded incidents of criminal damage — a RISE of
4 per cent.

And there was an INCREASE of 23 per cent in blackmail, 14 per cent in
kidnap, 31 per cent in immigration offences and 151 per cent in obscene

Worryingly, the detection rate by police has FALLEN — from 31 per cent
after Labour’s first year in office to 26 per cent last year. That figure is
almost HALVED in London, the crime capital of Britain where detection
is only 14 per cent.
The few encouraging elements in the figures showed that robberies were
DOWN nationally to 108,045, a fall of 11 per cent. Burglary levels remained
virtually UNCHANGED with 888,951 last year. Vehicle theft was DOWN 1
per cent, to 975,924.

Last night’s statistics followed the revelation in January that the use
of firearms was rampant.

A report showed a 35 per cent rise in gun crime, to 9,974 offences.

And officials admitted yesterday that possession of firearms, including
sub-machine guns, was “out of control” in Birmingham, Manchester and
three London boroughs.

Despite the blizzard of new Home Office figures covering England and
Wales, Mr Blunkett was adamant that the crime rate had actually fallen.
He said the new counting system — the National Crime Recording Standard
(NCRS) — included ALL reported incidents, even if they did not lead to
police action.

And ministers insisted the murder rate appeared distorted through the
inclusion of 172 victims of evil GP Harold Shipman — Britain’s worst
serial killer.

Mr Blunkett said: “I am encouraged by figures which show overall crime
is continuing to fall and the risk of being a victim remains at its lowest
for more than 20 years.

“I am particularly pleased we have reduced robbery while keeping
vehicle crime and burglaries at historic lows.

“Since 1997, overall crime has fallen by 25 per cent and the chance of
being a victim of crime has fallen from 40 per cent to 27 per cent.”

He went on: “Overall violent crime is stable.

“As a result of the new National Crime Recording Standard, there has
been a considerable increase in recording of low-level thuggery and offences involving no serious physical injury, such as a minor scuffle.

“This has driven up the category referred to as ‘violent crime’.

“Two-thirds of police-recorded violent crimes involve no serious
physical injury to the victim.”

Under the NCRS system, the adjusted figures suggest violent crime has
risen by only 2 per cent compared with raw data showing a 22 per cent rise.

But attempts to shrug off incidents of violence which do not involve
injury will infuriate victims intimidated by louts roaming the streets.

Even Home Office statistics chief Prof Paul Wiles admitted the public
might be suspicious of the official interpretation of the numbers.

He said: “I am aware that we could be accused of trying to fiddle the
figures. I do not wish to be accused of that.”

Shadow Home Secretary Oliver Letwin said the rise in violence was
extremely worrying.

He added: “Sadly, the figures will come as no surprise to the millions
of people up and down the country who suffer daily from crime, or the fear
of crime, much of it drug related.

“The problem is that the Government’s initiatives and vast bureaucracy
aren’t making any significant impact. What we need is a huge boost to police numbers and a coherent effort to get young people off drugs and off the conveyor belt to crime.”

Mr Blunkett had backed his claim that crime was falling with last
night’s results of the controversial British Crime Survey.
It was a Home Office poll of 40,000 adults asked about their perception
of crime. But it did not include murder, crime against juveniles or incidents
involving commercial property, such as arson.

According to the BCS, crime against adults in England and Wales
decreased by 2 per cent, with a 25 per cent overall fall in the last five years.
However, it showed that Sun readers were aware that crime was

It said: “Of those who read tabloid newspapers, 43 per cent thought the
national crime rate had increased a lot, compared to 26 per cent of
broadsheet readers.

“Over a third of all respondents — 38 per cent — believe the national
crime rate has risen a lot.

“Fifty-three per cent thought there had been an increase in their local
area.” The summary continued: Seventeen per cent of people who read
tabloids were very worried about being a victim of physical attack by a
stranger, compared to only six per cent of broadsheet readers.”

The explanation is that many Sun readers, who include hardworking
families living in inner city areas, are witnesses to, or victims of, violence
and other crimes.

The report said: “Not surprisingly, those living in areas where
victimisation risks are relatively high are more likely to say they are
worried about crime.“Those who perceive high levels of disorder — teenagers hanging around, vandalism or drug misuse — are more concerned about their own safety.”The poll also found that almost one in three — 29 per cent — “never walk alone in their area after dark”.

Confidence in the criminal justice system and satisfaction with police
among victims is also falling. Only 39 per cent believe the system brings criminals to justice, down from 44 per cent, while 31 per cent think it reduces the crime rate (36 per cent previously). Only 21 per cent say it deals effectively with young offenders, compared with 25 per cent the previous year. People in suburbs and housing estates are sick of vandalism, graffiti, noisy neighbours, loitering gangs, drug dealers and drunks. The report said: “Residents in inner city areas or council estates felt
particularly vulnerable. “Women are far more worried about violent crime than men.”

Help the Aged charity told The Sun last night: “For older people, the
fear of crime can have a ruinous effect on quality of their lives.
“This is not just the case in run-down inner city neighbourhoods.
“In rural areas, the impact of the fear of crime can be just as
damaging, particularly in the context of a large apparent leap in rural crime.”

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July 19, 2003, 09:59 AM
the Sun is nonsense, as I have oft stated.

However in short:

i) the rise in violent crime is solely down to the 2002 change in recording of assaults without the need for the victim, or anyone else, to make a complaint. This was pointed out and predicted on TFL around the time of the change.

ii) the rise in rapes (27%) is more likely down to increased confidence amongst women in Police investigation thanks to initiatives like Operation Sapphire - dedicated rape investigation teams. There has been no sociological, economic or legal change that would effect the statistics to such a great extent. Of course, the "real" level of rapes in England and Wales is probably around 25000 - 30000 p.a. - rape is underreported (because of the stigma) across the world.

iii) the rise in drug crime is down 100% to increased Police attention to drug misuse - the only way a criminal complaint is made over possession, possession with intent to supply or supply is after someones arrest.

iv) the murder rise is down to the Harold Shipman case, which is buried at the end of the article.

July 19, 2003, 06:49 PM
i) the rise in violent crime is solely down to the 2002 change in recording of assaults without the need for the victim, or anyone else, to make a complaint. This was pointed out and predicted on TFL around the time of the change.

And what Dreamland do you Live in? or dare I ask?:scrutiny:

July 19, 2003, 08:25 PM

There is no violent crime in the UK!

Standing Wolf
July 19, 2003, 08:46 PM
Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

England seems intent on mass suicide.

July 19, 2003, 10:26 PM
LMAO, thats perfect. Now just photoshop 'Agricola' onto the name-tape on his right pocket, add a tall bearskin hat and it'll be complete. :evil:

How many weeks have you been waiting to use that image?


July 19, 2003, 10:31 PM
MicroBalrog, that is freaking hilarious.

July 19, 2003, 11:57 PM
What the article points to, in my mind, is what the crime rate *should* have been reported as in recent weeks.

For those who want an explanation of what is going on in England, read Joyce Lee Malcolm's book: "GUns and Violence: The English Experience."

It traces what used to be the English duty to repel attack 400 years ago, to the current mess (excelerated in 1953) making resistance all but impossible.


July 20, 2003, 08:46 AM
"the Sun is nonsense, as I have oft stated."
That's why I made the comparison with "The Washington Post":)

"The Post" while not a 'tabloid', excels at weaving 'public perception' (as the "Sun" reader poll results) and selected 'official policy' and statistics into some semblance of quasi-credible support for whatever position they believe their readership will pay to read.
Journalistic prostitution, if you will :rolleyes:

While I am convinced that Britain has some serious issues with crime and violent crime in particular...the caliber of journalism in all of our nations is cause for the utmost concern as well....

Australia's Murdoch-owned rags are sports and scandal sheets - the Fairfax lot don't quite attain that standard:uhoh:

What ever happened to the concept of a newspaper offering a balance of views and simply reporting the news :confused:

July 20, 2003, 11:10 AM
MicroBalrog LOL

Screw Baghdad Bob

I lived in England for three years, and let me tell you, it's very violent.

A handgun is a tool as we would say. So most of the Brits don't have them. But, that didn't stop the three bastards that knived my friend. He only lost a foot and a half of bowel. Everyone was armed there, in their own way.

July 20, 2003, 02:51 PM
I lived in England for three years, and let me tell you, it's very violent.
I pitty you.....then again i've been here for 7 years....:what: :banghead: :barf:
A handgun is a tool as we would say. So most of the Brits don't have them. But, that didn't stop the three bastards that knived my friend. He only lost a foot and a half of bowel.
poor guy, hope the cops managed to find the sob that did it.....then again if the local police in my area are any example to go by they wouldn't be able to catch the flu if there was an epidimic.... :rolleyes:

People tell me to Disarm, I say "Make the Criminals do it First!" Only 3 months ago while I was waiting for my bus home to leve the bus stop I spotted what is commonly reffered to here as a "ned" (type that only wears loose fit white Addidas or Umbro brand Lycra clothes and sneakers) carrying a Titanium & Gold Finish DE in a Nylon hip Holster sticking out 5-51/2" from the bottom of his jacket, right past two cops who were on foot, while everyone else on the bus had seen the gun, the cop's either didn't or Ignored it....

My Question, How could "Two Cops" On Foot not notice 5 inches of a Titanium & Gold Finish Desert Eagle Barrel and a black nylon holster aganst a White Background???:scrutiny:

July 20, 2003, 03:22 PM
nice way to completely misrepresent an argument microbalrog

July 20, 2003, 03:35 PM
Nice way to totally ignor humour agricola.

July 20, 2003, 03:35 PM
its hard to recognize that as humour

July 20, 2003, 11:37 PM
I would find this all hard to believe Orwellian mess iffin I hadn't been reading Joyce Lee Malcolm's book, 'Guns and Violence: The English Experience."

Here is the Reader's Digest version of Malcolm's work:

You will find that party ended for law-abiding Brits in 1954 or so when legal self defense began to be essentially outlawed.

Here is the book:
You can find it on

Can y'all believe this:
Tony Martin refused leave 'because of risk to burglars'

By Daniel Foggo

Tony Martin, the farmer who killed a criminal who broke into his house, has been denied a preparatory home visit before his release on parole next week because he is considered to be a "danger to burglars".

July 21, 2003, 05:13 AM


"Saddam is driving those infidels back even as we speak; the evil Americans are tucking their tails between their legs and they are running..." Right...

July 21, 2003, 09:45 AM
MicroBalrog: Great job! :D

agricola: I always thought you were taller...:evil:

July 21, 2003, 09:45 AM
noted ruminant Agricola:

its hard to recognize that as humour

Especially if you're the grim, driven, humorless (read: leftist) sort. LMAO

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