Colt innovating smart gun technology?


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45R
July 19, 2003, 04:35 PM
I was watching Tales of the Gun this morning and they had a segment on the so called smart guns

Colt is researching prototypes for this particular technology "to make guns safer"....:cuss: As if the 4 safety rules are not enough. Guns are smart....they fire when you pull the trigger, drop the mag with you hit the mag release and release the hammer when you hit the decocker.

The prototype looked like an XD40 married to a SW Sigma and a deformed Sig.

The user wears special wrist watch that transmitts to the gun so that it can be fire.

I dont know about you guys but anything computer related can be affected by better technology rendering the firearm inoperable..........

I would not want this technology in any of my guns. I can just see some hacker rendering entire PDs and military useless because they could not use there guns.

A Proximity wrist watch...what happens if it fails or takes a hit.
Computer chips in guns....solvents and various chemicals can harm the chips as well as water.
Can these chips take the punishment from the recoil
What about a failsafe.


What happens if this technology is implemented to the people and the "higher" power finds a way to turn turn off our beloved guns.



Big Brother is watching you..................they even have plans to eliminate tin foil hats :)


Seriously what do you think..............


45R

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J Miller
July 19, 2003, 04:47 PM
What do I think?
Well, I will continue purchasing old "stupid" guns and refuse to buy any firearm with a computer in it.

How reliable they will be is beside the point. The designers of these ideas forget human nature. Many gun owners have a gun for protection. They buy it and some never fire it. It just gets loaded and put in a drawer. The "smart" guns will get people killed.

As for Colt doing this it's nothing new. It used to be in their old web site.
I don't know about their current one.

Zedicus
July 19, 2003, 04:47 PM
A Simple EMP blast will render any of that Useless.
.....then again, so would Dead Batterys.......

Chupacabra
July 19, 2003, 05:13 PM
I already have a supercomputer like device attached to my gun.

http://staff.washington.edu/bfiguero/Images/brain.jpg

Impervious to EMP and if it becomes disabled...well I've lost the fight already anyway.

:D

alan
July 19, 2003, 05:39 PM
Even if these "wet dreams" ever do get into production, what does anyone think will happen when, not if, but when the fool thing heads south, failing to operate when a firearm is needed, and when one needs a gun, the need is serious, and the wrong people end up dead or injured.

Where will the political/bureaucratic types that "mandated" the use of such idiocy be found hiding from the responsibility for their actions? Anyone want to render a guess or opinion?

Standing Wolf
July 19, 2003, 06:05 PM
Colt hasn't innovated anything in over half a century—unless, of course, you figure cheapening its products and raising prices count as innovations.

Ian
July 19, 2003, 06:26 PM
Sounds like a fantastic idea to me. I think we should demand that Federal agencies be required to use exclusively 'smart guns,' given their propensity towards unsafe gun handling.

If John Q. Gunowner can disable all the weapons of the ATF squad busy raiding his house, well, that's just the price of safety. If is saves even a single life...

dfariswheel
July 19, 2003, 06:38 PM
Colt socked a lot of money they couldn't afford in the "smart gun" project, but the current Colt isn't saying too much about the thing.
I'm not sure they're still pursuing it.

As for Colt not innovating in the last 50 years, how about:

The world's first mid-frame .357 Magnum revolver, AND the first modern center-fire revolver with a frame-mounted firing pin, the Colt 357 Model).

The first American aluminum-framed pistol AND the first factory reduced size 1911 pistol, the Commander.

The first factory target 1911, the Gold Cup.

The first FORGED and milled stainless 1911.

The first revolver with a heavy-weight, shrouded and lugged barrel , which EVERY revolver maker in the world has basically copied, the Python.

The world's first revolver designed to be "fitted" by machine and using modern sintered steel parts, thus lowering the price enough that anybody could afford a Magnum revolver with all the "target" goodies on it, the Colt Trooper Mark III.

The first mid-framed service revolver with adjustable sights that would be bought by police departments, the Colt Old Model Trooper .38.

The first MODERN revolver to use a transfer bar ignition system, which has been basically copied by every other revolver maker.

The first modern assault rifle using modern materials, AND the first really reduced caliber rifle adopted by a major military, the AR-15/M-16. (Invented by Stoner/Fairchild, but developed and really marketed by Colt).

WT
July 19, 2003, 09:05 PM
Colt is still pursuing the smart gun with federal funding.

The watch has gone by the board. What they are now trying are micropressure switches in the grip. Each person's grip is unique and the sensors can determine if the person is authorized to fire the gun. It appears that gloves don't interfere with the pressure readings.

MessedUpMike
July 19, 2003, 09:18 PM
What about the difference between my on the range punching paper grip, and my cold sweat, white knuckled, butt locked, bad guy at the front door get the kids behind me grip? will those read different on the gun. that would be a heck of a time for a failure.
Or is it possible in an attempt not to become the next S&W that colt is merely pumping the gov. for money and "researching" to keep the grabbers off thier backs?

MeekandMild
July 19, 2003, 09:25 PM
Weapon Shops of Isher?

Skunkabilly
July 19, 2003, 09:28 PM
So you can't shoot this thing with the support hand huh. :cuss:

c_yeager
July 20, 2003, 04:32 AM
Well i guess im going against the grain here but, im not ENTIRELY averse to the "smart gun" concept. Now dont get me wrong. In its current form its plain stupid. But if some day someone could make a weapon that would RELIABLY function without the need of an additional accessory like the wrist band i would be interested. I mean it WOULD be nice to have a gun that ONLY myself and family could use. Of course like i said this is a LONG way off. But, im not going to stand up and tell a gun company to STOP trying new things.

CZSteve
July 20, 2003, 09:07 AM
BTW

The gun in the show used by Colt is the Z40.
The gun provided by CZ (ie: CZ40B in DAO).

The Z40 was Colt's attempt to gain market share in the LEO arena, but for whatever reason there parnership/agreement w/ CZ went south.

FWIW I think the CZ40B is a great mid/large frame pistol; however, I might be a bit biased. :rolleyes:

BowStreetRunner
July 20, 2003, 10:03 AM
yeah the gun in the show looked to me a lot like the CZ 40
i have mixed reactions to the smart gun debate....cops are killed with their own guns every year, and that gives smart guns a definite use.....
however, once they are on the market, i bet it wont be a year before NJ, CA, or some other anti gun states say you cant buy a handgun unless it has smartgun technology
and that would not only be anti gun bigotry, but classist, as well, since the poor cant afford a smart gun (heck neither could i)
then there is the relaiblity issue....if the watch breaks, or you have to shoot if with your other hand, will it fire?
if i was an LEO i wouldnt want to worry about those things from my duty weapon, even if i had to worry about johnny felon taking my gun from me
BSR

pax
July 20, 2003, 11:40 AM
I think smart gun technology will be so much safer and better that we should require that all police departments and the military use it exclusively before it is released to the civilian marketplace.

Hey, our guys in uniform deserve the very best, very safest equipment possible.

Right?

pax

A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves. -- Bertrand de Jouvenel

c_yeager
July 20, 2003, 12:05 PM
however, once they are on the market, i bet it wont be a year before NJ, CA, or some other anti gun states say you cant buy a handgun unless it has smartgun technology

This is the biggest problem with the whole thing. It is sad that we have let this country get to the point where we need to delliberatly stagnate our technology just to keep what little we have left.

saddenedcitizen
July 20, 2003, 12:41 PM
First problem - product liability !!

First failure involving death/maiming and the manufacturer will have
to sell the company to pay the legal bills and someone's gonna be rich.
(Wait a minute !! I have to reboot my wristwatch before I can shoot you !)

Second problem(s) - EMP, dead batteries, different grip (calm vs panic)
FAR too complicated for the problem it is SUPPOSED to solve.

Third problem - counterfit 'activators'/defeators sold on black market'
Remember how steering column locks were going to eliminate car
thieft ?? That sure worked didn't it. About 2 hours after the first
one was delivered - someone figured out how to defeat/get around it.

These kinds of goofy ideas are ALWAYS sold on the idea of their INTENT
as opposed to what actually happens/is accomplished.

I believe New Jersey (where else ?) has passed or is trying to pass
legislation that will require ALL new firarms sold in that state to
incorporate this 'technology' (interesting since the tecnology doesn't
really exist yet !!) And if I remember correctly, in that legislation
LEO' are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED from being required to use
this new 'gee whiz'. What's that tell ya ???

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