Problems with my G17


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Kentucky
November 24, 2007, 06:53 PM
Well, the "most reliable handgun in the world" lasted almost a week for me before going down. I am sure this is probably my fault, but frustrating nonetheless! The pictures should explain my problem pretty well.

Any ideas about what I should do here, or have I screwed this up beyond my ability to repair?

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45Badger
November 24, 2007, 07:00 PM
pics aren't showing up for me....

Silvanus
November 24, 2007, 07:02 PM
The pics don't work. Could you explain what the problem is?

Kentucky
November 24, 2007, 07:13 PM
Maybe the pic will show up this time. The problem is that the "rod" inside the "spring" at the front end of the pistol has come through the hole in the front of the pistol under the barrel.

http://www.underwoodloghomes.com/problem.jpg

legion3
November 24, 2007, 07:18 PM
Looks like you have a 2nd gen gun, does this gun have the captured or the older non captured recoil spring?
Looks put together wrong in someway.

A new rod and spring might be the only fix needed

Kentucky
November 24, 2007, 07:21 PM
It is actually a first generation. The problem is, I cant get it disassembled again to try to reset it.

gudel
November 24, 2007, 07:41 PM
the "most reliable handgun in the world" lasted almost a week for me before going down

I thought this is a brand new out of the box failure... until I read further.. it's a 1st gen gun. You bought it used. I can't say that I have had any issues with function with the "most reliable handgun in the world" unlike those who paid $1500 for their "custom" gun, with their own custom problem new out of the box.

If you can't get it open, take it to a local shop and have them check it out. It would be the safest thing to do before you make a mistake.

Superpsy
November 24, 2007, 07:45 PM
I am sure this is probably my fault, but frustrating nonetheless!

what do you think you did?

redneckrepairs
November 24, 2007, 07:51 PM
Pull out on the guide rod , turn it 1/4 turn and release it . It should reset properly if not repeat .

Noxx
November 24, 2007, 07:55 PM
Stop buying plastic guns?

*duck*!!

Slvr Surfr
November 24, 2007, 08:14 PM
Once you get it out replace it with the factory part like it was intended to have. Then you will be golden.

GRIZ22
November 24, 2007, 09:17 PM
Pull out on the guide rod , turn it 1/4 turn and release it . It should reset properly if not repeat .

This should work. I used to see guns like this when I was a LE Firearms Instructor. the base of the rod has come out of where it's supposed to be when reassembling.It's possible you can damage the rod when doing so.

Be sure the gun is unloaded before you mess with it.

deltacharlie
November 24, 2007, 10:06 PM
The problem is that the "rod" inside the "spring" at the front end of the pistol has come through the hole in the front of the pistol under the barrel.I hope you don't think this is a common problem or judge all Glocks by this one experience by a gun that is probably 17+ years old.

The guide rod may be original equipment, if so, 17+ years of service is pretty good for a piece of plastic that has withstood probably 1000s of little explosions, heating up, colling down, compressing and expanding.

Yeah, it's inconvenient, we've all been there at one time or another with a brand that promises much but misses the mark once in a great while, no biggy. Simply buy a new guide rod and you're back on your way. It's all relative, I guess, like when your new SIG rusts on you 12 months of purchase and SIGArms refuses your warranty claim, call me and we'll talk.

If you've total dissatisfaction, don't worry, resale is still pretty good on those.

Robert Hairless
November 24, 2007, 10:32 PM
Looks to me as if you fieldstripped that Glock and put the recoil spring assembly in the wrong notch when you reassembled it. I don't see how that's a problem with Glock reliability. Redneckrepairs has explained how to solve the problem.

Why not telephone Glock and ask them to send you a copy of the current Glock 17 manual or, if they still have any, one for the first generation G-17. They'll likely send it to you free.

redneckrepairs
November 24, 2007, 10:57 PM
Or if you need a manual you could download this one with more info on glocks than the user manual http://abcyber.org/bob/manuals/firearms%20-%20!%20-%20Glock%2017,%2019,%2020,%2021,%2022,%2023%20&%2017L%20Pistol%20Armorer's%20Manual.pdf.zip

Edited to add tho it did not hyperlink a copy/paste should get it downloaded . If you have any problems just go to http://abcyber.org/bob/manuals/ and download the one for glocks .

Kentucky
November 25, 2007, 12:06 PM
Looks like you have a 2nd gen gun, does this gun have the captured or the older non captured recoil spring?
Looks put together wrong in someway.

A new rod and spring might be the only fix needed

I actually have a new one ordered. Right after I bought it I took it to the local Glock certified armorer and had him look it over. He was already ordering me a new spring and guide rod, he showed me that it was different from the new ones. He did expect that the one in the pistol would last for a long time though, he said it felt strong.


what do you think you did?

When I took it to the Glock armorer he broke it down, showed me how to do it, and put it back together. When I got back home I practiced it repeatedly to get proficient at it. I do this with all firearms that I buy. I started noticing that even though I was careful to seat it properly in the lowest notch it was not staying there. Every time I broke it back down it would be sitting in the notch above where it was supposed to be. I couldnt remember for sure if it did this when the Glock guy broke it down or not, but I didnt think it was right. The last time I put it back together is when this happened.

Pull out on the guide rod , turn it 1/4 turn and release it . It should reset properly if not repeat .

Ok, I tried this several times and it did move back some, but not all the way. I did this probably 20-25 times. It is not moving farther backwards now.

I hope you don't think this is a common problem or judge all Glocks by this one experience by a gun that is probably 17+ years old.
I certainly dont. The Glock armorer explained to me that this was a weak point in the 1'st Gen guns, and that I should let him order me a new one, which I did. Actually, told him to order me a few since I plan to have this gun for the rest of my life.

When I mentioned "The worlds most reliable handgun" failing I was poking more fun at myself that the pistol :p

The guide rod may be original equipment, if so, 17+ years of service is pretty good for a piece of plastic that has withstood probably 1000s of little explosions, heating up, colling down, compressing and expanding.
Actually, I bought it from the original owner and he fired less than 1 box of ammo through it. The Glock armorer verified that it looked like it had barely been touched.

If you've total dissatisfaction, don't worry, resale is still pretty good on those.


Yes, I feel like I could probably get back the $310 I gave for the handgun and 5 17 rd magazines. The guy wanted Christmas quick money :D

Thanks for all the opinions guys. If anyone knows how I could get the trigger uncocked I think I could get it field stripped again, but it is REALLY STUCK. Thanks again!

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