Thumbstrap on holster interferes with safety: Is this an issue?


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Nitrogen
November 25, 2007, 12:35 AM
This holster I just picked up has a minor issue; it seems it rides the safety, and I'm afraid it might push it down.

Is this a common issue? Any of you folks have any ideas what I can do about it to fix it? I'm not sure how worried I should be, as the thumbstrap would keep the hammer from falling, but I'm paranoid I guess.

I attached some pictures.

EDIT: Attaching 'em didnt work, so here:
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MICHAEL T
November 25, 2007, 02:04 AM
That a somewhat common problem Thats why I never buy a thumb break holster.
Should you worry Only if grip safety gets pushed and trigger pulled.

AZ_Rebel
November 25, 2007, 03:04 AM
2 Easy Fixes.
1. With a sharp box cutter trim away the part of the thumbstrap that contacts the safety, or...
2. With a sharp box cutter trim away the thumbstrap - My preferred solution.

As Michael T says its not so much a safety issue - the gun will not fire - as a nuisance and something you start worrying about. Best to get rid of the thumbstrap altogether.

Nitrogen
November 25, 2007, 03:12 AM
Ok, thanks guys.

I acutally like the thumbstrap for this application because it would prevent the hammer from falling, but I also realise I am a worry wart, and would have to depress the grip safety and allow something to pull the trigger.

DPris
November 25, 2007, 02:23 PM
I've used thumbbreaks in & out of uniform for many years. I still do. Never had a problem with one de-activating a 1911 safety.
With the additional safety factors of the grip safety & leather under the hammer, you're perfectly fine if you try it for a few weeks to see if it ever does interact with the thumb safety. Try it & go from there.

My Colt's thumb safety sits just like yours in its holster, it has never de-activated in leather. On occasion, depending on what I've been doing, I've found the thumbbreak strap has unsnapped itself sometime during the day, when I take take the pistol out of the holster on getting home. Even then, with more latitude to move around in the holster & interact with the strap, I have never found the safety worked its way off.

It's not a "problem" with thumbbreaks for the lever to touch the leather. If the holster's properly fitted to the pistol, once the strap's snapped the gun doesn't move around inside it to let the strap act on the lever at all. I would actually prefer MORE leather at that point, to completely "cover" the lever against contact with my skin in the summer. But, that's just me & my rust situation. :)

Everybody has their own preferences, but I switched to the thumbbreak as a cop back in the 1970s because it offered excellent retention with excellent accessability. The 1911 versions add one more layer of safety to the design by inserting that strip of leather between hammer and firing pin.

I don't think you have anything to worry about. Don't screw up your holster by trying to "fix" a non-existent "problem". :) Just use the combination for a couple months, then come back & tell me I'm wrong if it doesn't work for you.
Denis

rcmodel
November 25, 2007, 02:31 PM
Don't screw up your holster
I agree.

Once the gun is carried with the safety on & the holster broken in, there will most likely be a groove form in the leather over the safety. That will help keep it in place.

When I make thumb-break holsters, I wet-mold the strap to the safety with it in the "On" position. That locks it in position until the snap is unsnapped.

You could try a little wet-molding to make the strap conform to the safety faster, but don't do any cutting or trimming on it, please!

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Nitrogen
November 25, 2007, 05:04 PM
Glad I didn't do any cutting yet.
How does one do "Wet Molding"? Got a link for me?
This sounds like the REAL answer.

Thanks again, everyone.

DPris
November 25, 2007, 06:17 PM
Put your pistol inside a plastic baggie, put enough water on that section of the strap (& nowhere else) to make it slightly mouldable, insert the pistol, snap the strap, then work the leather to form to the lever where it touches it.
Or, depending on your build & how much contact there is between that section of the strap & your side, just wear the thing & don't worry about it (which would be my suggestion anyway :) ). If there's contact between you & it, the leather may quite easily be pushed against the lever hard enough to both prevent the lever moving (which is unlikely to happen) and to mould the leather naturally over a period of time.
Worked fine with mine.
Do what you feel you need to do, but really- there's no need to over-analyze or over-react to this. :)
Denis

tegemu
November 26, 2007, 09:50 AM
A good holster without a thumbstrap will carry your pistol as securely and safe as the thumbstrap. That is if you don't do some superhuman gyrations or gymnastics.

strat81
November 26, 2007, 10:33 AM
If you want something with more retention capability than a open holster, consider the Bianchi Carry-Lok: http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=82

Never used one, but it's a possibility.

AK103K
November 26, 2007, 11:04 AM
When I first started carrying, I used a thumbreak for my 1911's. Regardless who made the holster, Galco, Bianchi, etc, all of the them would get the safety off at some point. It bothered me at first and I trimmed them initially, but finally went with AZ_Rebel's option #2 and never looked back.

As was mentioned, its really not a big deal, as you have to get everything to work at once for the gun to discharge, especially if its a series 80 gun.

For that matter, just dont put the safety on if it bothers you. One less thing to worry about.

rcmodel
November 26, 2007, 06:03 PM
For that matter, just dont put the safety on if it bothers you. One less thing to worry about.Oh! I wouldn't do that!

The manual safety blocks several things internally that the other safetys don't.

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SwampWolf
November 27, 2007, 04:39 PM
I'll third RZ Rebel's "fix". A little judicious trimming should do the trick. Concerning the thumb-break design, before retiring I carried my pistol in thumb-breaks for many years and regard them as the most secure holster available that permits fast and easy access. It's my holster of choice when carrying a pistol for defensive purposes.

1man
November 27, 2007, 06:28 PM
All my holsters have a thumb-breaks. I agree with everyone else about the safety staying in place while in the holster(especially once the gun has molded itself/broken-in to the holster). Majority of good firearms(made by reputable companies) will pass the drop test if you're worried about the gun falling out the holster if the snap is broken unintentionally. As far as the weapon being discharged unintentionally, that's an operator error!

I would worry about it!

Looks like a Galco holster from here.

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