30-06 Load help


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Blackhawkdc
November 25, 2007, 09:39 PM
Hey all, I'm looking for help working up a round for the 30-06. My father has been shooting the Remington "Managed-Recoil" rounds for a few years now. I'm sure some of you out there have noticed that Remington has raced the price on this load significantly. From the same as regular loads, to the price of their premium loads. Well, the son to the rescue. I reload my own 30-06 ammo. But I am looking for help on working up a load to compare with the Managed Recoil loads. They use a 125 grain bullet. Any ideas out there? Any starting points? I'm familiar with working a good accurate load, but need help starting from scratch. Oh, and the round will be used for whitetail deer here in Minnesota, at ranges up to 200 yards, but usually under 150.

Thanks in advance!!

Seth Petro

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dakotasin
November 25, 2007, 10:21 PM
this is a little different than a run-of-the-mill reduced load that you're asking for... here's the way i would work up to what you want to do: 150 grain sierra pro hunter, and then load work ups w/ h-4831.

the 4831 will more than fill the case enough to keep accuracy up, but not allow pressures to get up to full-honk power. anyway, that's my suggestion...

Dave in PA
November 25, 2007, 10:29 PM
My Hornady manual doesn't list a 125gr bullet for 30-06, but they show 130 grains, with starting load velocity of 2700 fps, up to 3200 fps. What powders do you currently use? Do you have a particular bullet manufacturer in mind? Do you know the velocity of the Remington cartridge? That would be a good starting point.

Russt
November 25, 2007, 10:38 PM
I have a Speer #13 manual. It lists a reduced load for a 130gr soft point. Powder is XMP 5744, starting at 25 gr for 1814 fps. Max is 27 for 1941 fps. For the 150 gr bullet it lists 42 grains of H4895 for 2427 fps. It duplicates the performance of the 30/30 and is an excellent load for training new shooters. I also have a Speer #10 and it lists a reduced load for a 150 grain bullet, starting at 20 gr of SR4759 fro 1620 fps, and max at 24 for 1957 fps. Sorry neither manual lists a 125 grain bullet.

scrat
November 25, 2007, 10:45 PM
Agree with Russt on the H4895. That with 42 grains would make an excellent load. for 150-200 yards thats probably what you would be looking for. 150 gr speer bullet yep. Make some loads of that and send him to the range to try them off. Recoil should be good and accurate as heckkk

Blackhawkdc
November 26, 2007, 12:27 AM
Thanks for the replies. I was able to look up more detailed specs on the Remington Managed Recoil loads. Here's what I can come up with. 125 grain Core-Lokt PSP bullet. Muzzle velocity is 2660 FPS, and the energy at the muzzle is just shy of 2000 ft-lbs. As for my purposes, I have no bullet preferences. I currently load Nosler 150 grain ballistic tips for my hunting loads. But I'm not dead set on a certain bullet, or brand for that matter.As for powder, I'm currently using RL19. so that doesn't quite work too well in the lighter bullets.

As always, thanks for all your points and advice!

Seth Petro

DogBonz
November 26, 2007, 12:42 AM
For white tails my M70 Featherweight likes the Nosler balistic tips. 150's or 165's. The POI shifts a little, but both work well.

Best of luck-

Fred

steve4102
November 26, 2007, 08:01 AM
Here you go.
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/youth/30-06_y.php

Doug b
November 26, 2007, 08:29 AM
Speer 130 gr. HP and 51.gr. of IMR 4064 @ 2760 fps works for me.

SlamFire1
November 26, 2007, 09:23 AM
Hey, bumb the load up. Ralph Walker, of Walker Gunsmithing, wrote an article about the virtures of a 125, 130 grain bullet in the 30-06. He was shooting about 20 deer a year and came to the conclusion, based on his field data, that a 130 grain bullet in the 30-06 was dynamite on white tails.

I used Lee Scoops and created a load with IMR 4064 that pushed a 130 gr Speer up to 3100 fps in a 24" barrel. Because I used scoops, I don't trust the charge weight I wrote down.

The recoil was lighter than the standard 150 or 165 load, and that load hit hard enough to ruin a leg on the one deer I shot with it. The impact hit the ball and socket joint and hamburged the meat, shattered the leg bone. The final shot was through the neck and that ended everything instantly.

The 130 grain bullet gave the 270 its great reputation, with a 30-06 you can push the bullet even faster, so it will hit a little harder.

The Bushmaster
November 26, 2007, 09:42 AM
I would doubt that H4831/H4831SC would give lighter recoil. I use this powder with 165 grain and 180 grain bullets in my A-bolt and they kick the snot out of me (I only weight 145 at 5' 7"). The lighter bullet might help. Other then being a fine powder for the .30-06, it's not known for light recoil...

I would really look at Steve4102's suggestion...

BsChoy
November 26, 2007, 10:13 AM
Yeah a larger charge of a slower powder equals more recoil

Blackhawkdc
November 27, 2007, 12:05 AM
Thanks all for your advice and help. Lots of good suggestions here and I think I'll start with that Hodgdon load that Steve4102 linked for me. Looks like a good option. And I'd say "youth" is close enough to "little girly" for my dad.

Thanks again all! Much appreciated.

Seth P.

ArchAngelCD
November 27, 2007, 01:41 AM
Thanks all for your advice and help. Lots of good suggestions here and I think I'll start with that Hodgdon load that Steve4102 linked for me. Looks like a good option. And I'd say "youth" is close enough to "little girly" for my dad.

Blackhawkdc,
The reduced loads provided by Hodgdon are soft enough to work well for young shooters (or adults with an injured shoulder) but still very accurate. I haven't shot them but have talked to a few who have. They work!!

Idano
November 28, 2007, 12:15 AM
Blackhawkdc,

Here is my pet load that I have used for years in my M70:
BULLET: 125gr. SPITZER
PRIMER: CCI 250
POWDER: IMR3031 LOAD:50.0 gr.
VELOCITY: 3150 fps.

I have taken a lot of Mule deer with this round with the longest shot at 300 yards. What I really like about this round is that it is so flat shooting that I don't have to compensate for range. I sight this round 1" high at 100 yards which will leave my factory Remington 165 Core-Lokt I use for elk dead on so I can easily switch back and forth without re-sighting or compensating. I hope this helps give you a place to start.

PedalBiker
November 28, 2007, 11:37 PM
I've had good luck with Alliant 2400 for 100 and 130 grain speer bullets.
4895 (H and IMR) have also worked well with 110 and 125 g sierra bullets. My favorite is the 130 speer flat point or the 125g sierra.

I found the 100 and 110 not quite accurate enough for varmints.

For a mid recoil load 150g rem PSPCL bullets at around 2700 fps is a good load, I had good results with H414 and IMR4895 was ok. The reduced loads with slower powders don't make enough pressure, though, and I've found my cases are shrinking (headspace is up to .020" on one batch that's been fired 9 times). It's no problem as long as you don't decide to go full throttle with such a short case.

GooseGestapo
November 28, 2007, 11:50 PM
FWIW:
Midway sells the 125gr Corlokt SoftPoint. I've found that they work really well in the SKS too. (in spite of only being .308"). Item #651-260

Use the 46.5gr load of H4895 for approx. 2,660fps.

This load was derived from the Lee Manual, using the Lee formula for deriving a reduced load.

I've used a similar load with IMR3031 at ~2,850fps with excellent success.

gearjammer711
November 29, 2007, 11:32 PM
got in late, but the load i used to bag 2 dear 2 weeks ago was.

125 gr. sierra pro hunter
42gr. IMR 3031
WLR

3/4 in. group at 100yards was the best i could do, the gun shoots better than me :D.

Blackhawkdc
December 1, 2007, 12:29 AM
Sounds like I've got my work cut out for me. I know have to find time to try a couple of these recipes out. I'll of course end up being the one to do all the test firing in my father's 700. He's not the greatest shot, I end up producing much tighter groups than he does. He's shot shotgun for too many years and has a hard time remembering to squeeze the trigger instead of slapping it. Oh well, I don't mind. :)

Thanks again all!
Lots to choose from.

Seth P

3006mv
December 10, 2007, 02:49 PM
2nd from steve4102 I have tried these and I like the results. Have you gotten to try any of the loads yet? I want to work some loads with Ramshot TAC b/c I have a lot more of that than H4895, but I don't know how much less in grains I need to load yet. FROM HODGDON WEBSITE YOUTH LOADS Rifle DATA
NEVER Exceed the Loads Listed Here
BULLET
30-06
CASE: WINCHESTER
BBL: 24"
PR: WINCHESTER LR
125 GR. NOS BT
DIA. .308"
COL: 3.270"
POWDER H4895 GRANS 40.5 VELOCITY 2615 f/s
PRESSURE 31,200 CUP

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/youth/30-06_y.php

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