Why Are Most Pistols Compared Against Glocks?


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TOADMAN
November 26, 2007, 10:16 PM
Seems to be countless threads ie, Glock vs this pistol or that pistol.. Is Glock the minimum standard when most folks look to buy a pistol? Has Glock set the standard?

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10-Ring
November 26, 2007, 10:22 PM
I don't have the answer for you, but I must say, I have wondered the same thing :scrutiny: Good question sir! ;)

macadore
November 26, 2007, 10:24 PM
Glock is not the minimum standard. It is the standard. Having said that, I believe CZs are the emerging standard.

The Lone Haranguer
November 26, 2007, 10:29 PM
I had never thought of it that way, but the Glock pistols do seem to have become a sort of benchmark.

Ed Ames
November 26, 2007, 10:31 PM
I haven't noticed that. Seems like 1911s are FAR more common comparison standards.

351 WINCHESTER
November 26, 2007, 10:34 PM
I thought all pistols were compared to the browning h/p and the 1911, or at least that's the way it used to be. It's hard to beat pistols that have stood the test of time expecially under combat conditions. Enough said.

eldon519
November 26, 2007, 10:34 PM
Cause none of them could compare to the 1911, so they lowered the bar a little:evil:

chilic82
November 26, 2007, 10:44 PM
Because although Glock wasn't the first polymer on the market alot of people believe they are the first one's to get it right. They are also known for their reliability, combat accuracy(which is most polymers capability),ruggedness, and ease of maint.

TOADMAN
November 26, 2007, 10:52 PM
Several other gun makers are known for the same reliability, ruggedness, accuracy, ease of maintenance but glock usually gets the spotlight when it comes to comparing one handgun against another.

strat81
November 26, 2007, 11:03 PM
Probably due to their quality and their prevalence. Regardless of how they look, feel, or shoot, I think most folks wouldn't say they are junk.

And since they are so common, most gun shops carry them, and most people probably know at least one person that owns one. The only pistol I think that comes close to Glock in terms of prevalence is the 1911 Government.

They feel similar assuming you're comparing normal frame to normal frame (17-19-26-22-23-27) or large frame to large frame (20-21-29-30).

Not many companies combine reliability and accuracy for a low price as well as Glock does.

They're like Bud Light: Not the best, not the worst, and you can trust it.

TOADMAN
November 26, 2007, 11:13 PM
What about Miller Light and Coors Light, Bush Light, and Amstel Light? Is Bud Light the minimum standard for light beer?

GLOOB
November 26, 2007, 11:30 PM
doubl

Gord
November 26, 2007, 11:38 PM
AFAIK the comparisons are only in terms of reliability. Whether or not "Glock Perfection" is largely based on real-world experience or largely based on Glock's marketing department is up for debate, but either way you have to concede that they have a corner on the reliability standard.

GLOOB
November 26, 2007, 11:46 PM
1. They are currently leading pistol sales. My local gunshop sells 20 G19's a week.
2. A GLOCK is a GLOCK. There is only one manufacturer, they do huge volume production runs, their quality control is excellent, and the design allows proper functioning without any hand-fitting. So your buddy's GLOCK will perform and handle virtually identically to all other samples of the same model and generation. True, the same can be said about several other high quality pistols... but refer, again, to reason #1.
3. A GLOCK is a mid-priced gun. It compares well in price to a wide array of other pistols, +- a couple hundred dollars.

So comparing a pistol to a GLOCK provides a good standard of reference.

Autolycus
November 26, 2007, 11:47 PM
I think they are most common and most popular amongst non-gunnies due to tv and media. This is why they are becomingthe standard, at least in my opinion.

R&J
November 27, 2007, 12:01 AM
Because Glock set a standard in reliability, value, performance, and service, along with a market penetration, that has been the envy of the industry! This was a pivotal event, and not an accident!

The Austrian shovel and knife maker essentially re-invented the semi-automatic handgun, and offered a platform that's proved reliable in four sizes and seven calibers, including full auto and 10 mm variants! In these respects, Glock still has no equal.

The Glock sent ripples through the small arms community, not only for its product innovations, but for its manufacturing and marketing innovations as well. This was something truly new. A whole new approach.

Talk about thinking outside the box...

Certainly a measure of respect has been earned and is deserved.

--Ray

FM12
November 27, 2007, 12:05 AM
It's kinda like the way that all import cars used to be judged against the Volkswagen Beetle.

R&J
November 27, 2007, 12:41 AM
"It's kinda like the way that all import cars used to be judged against the Volkswagen Beetle."

With all respect, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Austin Healy, Triumph, MG, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, and others, were never judged against the VW Beetle.

--Ray

mikec
November 27, 2007, 12:41 AM
I think it has to do with the newer shooters and the internet and forums like this. Look at many posts here and other places and novice shooters have a Glock. They grew up in a different culture then I did. If I could have afforded it, my first gun would have been a Colt SAA. I couldn't afford that but guns two and three were Colts. (I still have them both 24+ years later.)

dsk
November 27, 2007, 01:46 AM
Cause none of them could compare to the 1911, so they lowered the bar a little

Good one. :D

In the old, old days, everybody wanted a Luger and their eyes would light up if they found out you had one. Even non-gun people knew what a Luger was. Nowadays everybody including non-gun folks know what a Glock is. Years ago I had a co-worker get interested as soon as he overheard I owned a Glock. He knew nothing about them (or guns in general), but he wanted to know if they really could pass metal detectors and actually held 33 rounds in the grip. :rolleyes:

SuperNaut
November 27, 2007, 01:50 AM
Why Are Most Pistols Compared Against Glocks?Television and movies.

I'm dead serious.

JohnBT
November 27, 2007, 10:43 AM
"Why Are Most Pistols Compared Against Glocks?"

I'd say it's because the threads are started by insecure Glock owners. ;)

John

RichardB
November 27, 2007, 10:56 AM
"With all respect, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Austin Healy, Triumph, MG, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, and others, were never judged against the VW Beetle."

Correct. In those days some of the English cars had trouble starting after a rain. No comparison. :)

camsdaddy
November 27, 2007, 12:08 PM
I think it is because most people are familiar with a GLOCK. Chances are you have either held one or shot one if not you can find one in any gun shop.

Elotemuygrande
November 28, 2007, 12:41 AM
I don't own one but....

Glock seems to be the Honda of guns. Plain, reliable, boring, middle class, and safety oriented. Designed to work for 90% of average Joes. People "rice out" their Glocks like they would rice out a Civic. They're also simplified. If you're going to show someone that doesn't know guns how to shoot it's nice to show them with one that has no controls other than a trigger. I like their size and the way they feel personally but I won't have one without a manual safety(ies) since my holster is going to be a Smartcarry.

45auto
November 28, 2007, 08:17 AM
As mentioned, they are the largest selling handgun now for many reasons.

The new "entries" in pistols seem to be "Glock style", not metal framed, DA/SA types.

Erik
November 28, 2007, 10:52 AM
I'd argue that Glocks are often times considered the "benchmark" because of a combination of the following factors:

Reliability
Capacity
Size efficiancy
Price point

Simply put, if you want a reliable, high capacity, size efficient pistol at a relatively low price point the Glock is a strong contender; perhaps the strongest. THAT makes it the "benchmark."

S&W's M&P lineappears to be another strong contender given those criteria. Time will tell.

Landor
November 28, 2007, 12:06 PM
Glock was the first polymer gun. It was the one that put personal protection with a pistol on the map. It is like a band aid. Band aid is a product name, not a description yet when we say it, we apply it to something that you put on a wound. Glocks modernized the gun.

Baba Louie
November 28, 2007, 12:10 PM
Why Are Most Pistols Compared Against Glocks?They are???:eek:

I did not know that. Must be a young'un thing since Gaston's products have only been around for 20 years or so.
As I'm a bit older than that, I find that most people I BS with, base their comparison on the old US military sidearm or their newer selection in the NATO round.

The old guys my age I know, who were long time LEO's tend to base their comparison on old S&W wheelguns.

But that's just me and the group of old fogies I know.

Hmmm. Glocks? Interesting. I guess my few, based on a Glockish comparison, are too heavy, too sleek, have hammers striking firing pins, sport wood grips and are blued steel or are wheelguns. They do sound pretty old timey seen in that light... don't they? :rolleyes:

Oh well. ;)

pdowg881
November 28, 2007, 12:14 PM
Why Are Most Pistols Compared Against Glocks?

Because it makes the other pistols look better. ;)

TimboKhan
November 28, 2007, 12:22 PM
I believe CZs are the emerging standard.

Odd how you think a design that's older than the Glock by quite a bit is only just now becoming the emerging standard.

Glocks are the standard because of two things: A whole heck of a lot of people own Glocks because they were the first polymer to market and have "Brand recognition", and because Glock represents the anti-1911. It's pretty uncommon to find a handgunner who doesn't own one or the other, and just about impossible to find a handgunner who doesn't have an opinion on them one way or the other.

Hawk
November 28, 2007, 12:22 PM
Ubiquity.

They're everywhere and moderately priced. Hence near everyone has shot or at least handled one. This makes them a convenient baseline of comparison.

This specifically includes those that dislike the things or are totally indifferent to them - they still know about what to expect. They are, in a word, "common". In that context, "common" is a good thing and pretty much essential in a product used as a basis of comparison.

If someone were to compare the double action trigger of a Ruger GP100 to that of a Korth it would, for most, be a meaningless comparison; most of us don't have first hand knowledge of the Korth trigger action. Being exemplary isn't a good attribute for a standard of comparison - being common is.

mikec
November 28, 2007, 12:33 PM
Glock was the first polymer gun.

Sorry, HK was first. Glock just made it common.

It was the one that put personal protection with a pistol on the map.

You mean the fact I was carrying Colts before Glocks were available here I wasn't protecting myself? Heck, S&W, Colt, Ruger and others were providing personal protection for years before Glock.

Glocks modernized the gun.

Glock did provide a kick in the pants for some companies. I think HK was already in the modern era, the P7 was introduced in '76.

BayAreaTactical
November 28, 2007, 12:39 PM
Glock is the standard in reliability and performance.

TimboKhan
November 28, 2007, 12:40 PM
Sorry, HK was first. Glock just made it common

You know, you weren't qouting me, but I said that the Glocks were the first to market. You are, of course, correct about the HK. Let me rephrase: The Glocks were the first to market that sold well.

mikec
November 28, 2007, 12:51 PM
One thing to remember about CZ, until the end of Communism they were basically not available in the US. I do think they have made a nice presence in the US in what really is a short amount of time.

I don't like the feel of Glocks but that company has built a nice place in the world for itself. I however do not think they are the gold standard.

JohnBT
November 28, 2007, 01:00 PM
"It was the one that put personal protection with a pistol on the map."

This statement ignores history and a variety of guns ranging from the small S&W (and Iver Johnsons, and H&Rs, etc.) break tops introduced in 1880 to the 1905 Baby Brownings and all of the copies. Need I even mention the Colt Commander - the lightweight one, not the heavy Combat Commander.

And the CZ-75 was a legend worldwide before Mr. Glock ever made a gun.

History is a funny thing, it's full of facts.

John

Landor
November 28, 2007, 01:14 PM
This has nothing to do with history. It is all about perception. Glock is the name to beat. It does not matter what came before it, everybody knows Glock. Glock is the gun that was supposedly able to get through metal detectors in the 80's. It is the gun that made people aware. Glock is the default standard when it comes to guns. 25 years of reliability does not lie. Yes 1911's have been around sine 1911 but lets face it, they don't have the best rep for being reliable. I am not talking shooting range reliable. I am talking down in the dirt at war reliable. Facts or not Glock is king of the mountain for now. I own 1911's, Glock, XD's and M&P's. I even own a CZ.

Don't take this so personal.. It is what it is..:)

Hawk
November 28, 2007, 02:42 PM
Don't take this so personal.. It is what it is..

Excellent advice.

Being the most common neither implies "best" nor does it preclude it. It simply is what it is: the most common. It is characterized by a fortuitous combination of price, availablility and the observation that it does most things passably well.

It is the Toyota Corolla of handguns. It's everywhere. It doesn't suck. Everybody has a working knowledge of what to expect from one. This isn't a knock against either Glock or Toyota. I've had both and they served well.

Being a standard for comparison and a standard of excellence are not necessarily the same thing. They can be, but they don't have to be. Whether or not they intersect in the case of the Glock is no doubt partially responsible for the many spirited discussions on the matter.

Just because something finds itself compared to other similar products in no way implies that it comes off favorably in all, or even most, of those comparisons.

1man
November 28, 2007, 02:51 PM
Everyone know the Glock(like McDonalds of the Pistol World). Most widely sold pistol and everyone knows about the from the thugs in the street, almost every police ageny here in the US issues them to their personnel and definitely the most used in IDPA competitions(Glock should be in there own class in IDPA like the 1911 is).

UnTainted
November 28, 2007, 05:09 PM
"the standard" doesn't exist

"my standard" does, as well as
"Your standard"

MachIVshooter
November 28, 2007, 09:37 PM
Yes 1911's have been around sine 1911 but lets face it, they don't have the best rep for being reliable. I am not talking shooting range reliable. I am talking down in the dirt at war reliable.

That is perhaps the most upside-down, bass-ackwards thing I've heard in a long time. The M1911 set the standard for autopistol reliability. Just because some modern renditions have been made to exacting tolerances for competitive use and have suffered for it in terms of reliability doesn't change the fact that that pistol saw us through a half dozen wars over 74 years.

On the original topic, I would wager that other guns are so often compared to glock for two reasons:

1, there are a ton of them out there and everyone knows what they are.

2, the reason everyone knows what they are is because a Glock is a Glock is a Glock. Every single Glock model is essentially the same gun; You can't say Colt vs. S&W and leave it at that, since both companies offer a plethora of very different handguns.

takhtakaal
November 28, 2007, 10:41 PM
I will compare other pistols to Glocks when Colt or FN start supplying the USMC with entrenching tools.

GaryP
November 29, 2007, 01:44 AM
Someone said:

I am not talking shooting range reliable. I am talking down in the dirt at war reliable

Glocks are certainly good, reliable, economical pistols.

Bye the way, What WAR did you say they were used in? Have you used one down in the dirt at War?

Just wondering!

:evil:

jakeswensonmt
November 29, 2007, 02:07 AM
Because you can't post "I like my new <your brand here> pistol" without someone immediately posting "you should have got a Glock cause its perfection, says so right on the box."

Glock seems to be the Honda of guns. Plain, reliable, boring, middle class, and safety oriented.

I was with you until you said safety oriented.

Mad Magyar
November 29, 2007, 09:39 AM
Many reasons. For one thing, as mentioned, there are many out there in the civilian as well as in law enforcement...
If you go by all surveys and general observation, most civilians do not fire much on an annual basis...
So, when they go out & fire a box & in goes "Kaboom" each time; they are thrilled so much as to hit the forums and "crow" how they have the best pistol ever invented..Kind of like I do with Daewoo's....:D
However, my lack of enthusiasm for Glocks are based on ergonomics...They do not feel right in my hand....:)

Rexster
November 29, 2007, 10:53 AM
Uh, what standard? I started handgunning with 1911 pistols, briefly had to use sixguns when I started wearing a badge, tried 1911 pistols again, but found a SIG P220 more reliable, and then reverted to sixguns for a while. I tried the 1911 again for a few years, then temporarily carried Glocks for a couple of years, and am now back to SIGs, wondering why I ever parted with that original P220. Well, my old P220, with its heel-clip mag release, would snag the seat fabric in the patrol car, partially releasing the mag while tearing up the taxpayer's property, and that is why I strayed from SIG for a while, but now I wonder why I didn't switch back to SIG as soon as I could get an "American-style" P220, instead of waiting over a decade, until 2004. My autopistol "gold" standard is SIG; so reliable they are boring, and far more accurate than Gluncks. Both of my duty G22s had the occasional malfunction, too, so don't tell me about perfection. Glocks are pretty darn good autopistols, but not perfect. I still do have one 1911 that is 100% reliable, which makes it better than my G22s.

Hokkmike
November 29, 2007, 11:02 AM
You know, I never could tolerate a Glock until I shot one. Amazing guns. I have two really nice pistols now and need to justify another (Glock) one.

GunTech
November 29, 2007, 01:35 PM
I too was a 1911 snob, and vowed never to own a plastic pistol.

Then I shot one.

The kicker for me was Chuck Taylors test. He was another 1911 snob that went out to prove the plastic Glock was a POS.

after shooting 175,000 rounds through one, he finally conceded that the pistol was one of the most reliable, durable handguns ever made. I've fired examples of early Glocks that have over 300,000 documented rounds fired through them.

Not too many pistols can equal that.

I still think the Glock has poor ergonomics and feels like a plastic 2x4. But it is simple, accurate and reliable - the AK of the handgun world.

Old Dog
November 29, 2007, 01:54 PM
Why Are Most Pistols Compared Against Glocks?
I must be totally out of the loop. I've been involved in handgunning for about 40 years now, and was unaware that "most pistols" are compared against Glocks.

Only on the internet, I suppose.

AndyC
November 29, 2007, 02:32 PM
What's a Glock?

ArkansasHunter
November 29, 2007, 03:18 PM
Face it Glocks are excellent hand guns, the design works ! More LEO departments across the country use them and the one's who can afford them like them.
Example: A 1911 is rich in history and many people own one. The skys the limit if you want to customize one.
Theres many manufactures that sell a 1911 style pistols in different price ranges.
Now a Glock is a Glock you can buy one and do nothing to it and youv'e got a very accurate pistol out of the box and for the most part so are some
1911's
I'll probably catch flak for saying this but 1911's are a dated design with the Glock being the most modern design. That's the big differents.
As humans sometimes we follow the flock so to speak in our purchaseing of firearms and other stuff.
I personaly don't care or want a Glock though theres two in the next room that belongs to my son thats an LEO, one is his issues pistol, the other is his personal carry.
To me it's what you like. My next pistol will be a CZ 75...40 S&W Compac.
But there's so many pistols to choose from that are well made and accurate it
makes for a hard decision on which to buy.
I concede that Glock is about as perfect a semi-auto as you can buy.
But it's not the gun I want...A.H

AJD
November 29, 2007, 03:32 PM
Durability, reliability and accuracy are important but...

Its hard to know where people are coming from and what they value in a handgun. Like a firearms durability. People talk about Benelli's and Glocks lasting 300,000+ rounds(shells in the shotguns case)...that doesn't mean anything to me. Its nice I guess but its like telling me that my No. 2 pencil could withstand a nuclear bomb exploding on top of it...."cool" I guess but it will never happen. This shotgun will last 300,000+ shells...Ok if I ever have that much money to spend on shotgun shells then the cost of buying several new shotguns wouldn't matter to me anyway.

I guess it depends on where you place value or what your looking for. Country of origin, aethestic appeal, cost of upgrades, ease of upgrades, historic value, resale value, saftey features, etc. etc. are some of the things that play a role in my purchases as well.

Glocks are by most accounts excellent pistols that are reliable, accurate and durable. On top of that they are cheap to buy compared to alot of other handguns.

PPGMD
November 29, 2007, 03:37 PM
Because they are so common. Nearly everyone that has shot handguns for any length of time has shot a Glock. Not everyone has shot an XD, a CZ or even a 1911, but nearly everyone has shot a Glock. And they are also consistent, there is only one Glock, but there are many 1911s some good, some bad, some loose and durable, while others are accurate but finicky.

When I shoot a new gun I compare it to my Hk USP Tactical, Walther P99c AS, and my CZ 75 SP-01.

EdLaver
November 29, 2007, 03:52 PM
I have to agree with SuperNaut. Movies, television, seeing the majority of police with holstered glocks, rap music lyrics and videos always making references to Glock that lots of people listen to.

I believe thats why the sales are so high because people that know nothing about firearms at least know the Glock name so when they go to buy thats the 1st thing they think of.

Second would probably be Smith and Wesson. Manufacturers like HK, Taurus, Kel-Tec, and others don't have a well known name to the general public so for people who have no gun knowledge, the standard is Glock because of what they have seen and heard.

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