PA CCW'ers: Possible reciprocity w/ Delaware (write your reps!)


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Kharn
July 19, 2003, 11:02 PM
From: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=14&t=171652

Congressman Gannon:

On July 11th of this year Governor Minner of Delaware signed Delaware HB178 which establishes concealed carry weapons license reciprocity with any state that recognizes the Delaware license. I write today to urge you to sponsor legislation or otherwise broker an agreement with the state of Delaware to extend reciprocal license recognition. Your constituents needs for protection of family and self do not end at the Pennsylvania border. Please do all in your power to facilitate this important matter.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Sincerely;
bigdb1

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Good luck guys, Delaware's CCW is a pain to get due to the stupid hoops you have to jump through, while PA's is very simple. I'll try to look into the Delaware law to see how its written, since I spend most of my year in Delaware, a non-resident PA permit would only cost me $20 rather than spending the time and money to get a DE one, but I have no idea if DE would recognize it.

Kharn

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P95Carry
July 19, 2003, 11:08 PM
Thx for the heads up Kharn ........... wish that it was MD and NJ also!!!!!!

sleepyhead
July 20, 2003, 01:05 AM
Write to the Attorney General, it is his office, not the legislature, that negotiates/approves reciprocity with other states. Legislative pressure cannot hurt, of course.
Kudos to Delaware. I emailed every DE Senator with an address that I would patronize DE beaches instead of the NJ shore if they passed this bill.

Kharn
July 20, 2003, 08:46 AM
Sleepyhead: The bill's already law in DE (Minner signed it on the 11th), the only people that need a kick in the pants is whoever handles reciprocity on the PA side.

Kharn

chaim
July 21, 2003, 05:55 AM
I'll try to look into the Delaware law to see how its written, since I spend most of my year in Delaware, a non-resident PA permit would only cost me $20 rather than spending the time and money to get a DE one, but I have no idea if DE would recognize it.

I hate to burst your bubble Kharn, but you live in MD. Unless you have a MD permit you can't get a PA permit. I've tried, PA law for non-resident permits is that if your state has a permit system (we technically do) you must have one to get a PA non-res permit. I'm going to be getting a FL permit (even though I've never been further south than SC) specifically so I can carry in PA. Yes a PA permit would be easier, but since we are not technically a no permit state (we have nearly impossible criteria- unless you are a business owner with large cash deposits, a jewelry store owner or a gun store owner- but we are technically "may issue"). Thus almost no MD gunowners will ever be able to get a PA non-res permit (even if you have non-res permits from every other state you possibly could since PA law requires you to have a permit in your HOME state if the state has permits).:fire:

Oh, I suppose you could get a FL permit (as I intend to) but unfortunately it will cost a heck of a lot more than the $20-25 that we could have gotten our PA permit for (I'd have to check the app in my car for specifics but I think it is over $100).

Kharn
July 21, 2003, 09:05 AM
Chaim
Unless you have a MD permit you can't get a PA permit. I've tried, PA law for non-resident permits is that if your state has a permit system (we technically do) you must have one to get a PA non-res permit.
Ouch, I never read very far on Packing.org regarding PA, its right on the page; PA does honor non-res Florida permits, as you mentioned, so that's a possibilty. I was planning on getting an FL permit within a year (I'm graduating from college in May, and I'm hoping to find a job in the South, having a CCW while driving around industrial areas & house hunting might be a good thing), maybe I'll get moving on taking the training class and filling out the paperwork.

Kharn

chaim
July 21, 2003, 09:11 PM
Kharn, have you ever been in the military? If so you do not need a training class for a FL permit. I called and checked and so long as you made it through marksmanship training you are fine. I had a bad ankle and was discharged at the end of Army basic training but since I made it through marksmanship training and qualified "sharpshooter" I am fine (it also doesn't seem to matter that this was 13 1/2 years ago).

If you were never in the military call them to see what they make of the MD "safety course". You and I know that it is just a 15min video, but they still might take it. The card says "Maryland Police Training Commission, Firearms Safety Training Course, Certificate of Completion." They are probably somewhat familiar with this (I'm sure it won't be the first time they've been asked) so they may have a policy on it and, who knows, they just might accept it. If there isn't anything specific find out if you can apply with that card (to save time) immediately and if they don't take it would you need to pay the application fee a second time or would they simply direct you to get another training course and send the documentation as supplimentary info for the first application. I guess that was a long way to say, find out if they don't accept the MD training "course" and you apply based on that, would you need to apply all over again or would you just need to get training and documentation w/in some kind of time span.

Kharn
July 21, 2003, 09:16 PM
Chaim:
I havent been in the military, but I do have the MD safety training card. I'll give'em a call when I get a chance.

Kharn

chaim
July 21, 2003, 09:17 PM
Another possibility is, if you don't mind possibly wasting $25 (at the cheaper sheriffs' offices), simply fill out the PA form and send it in anyway. If you get a sympathetic clerk looking over your app they may realize that MD is for all practical purposes (for most people anyway) a non-issue state and they may just grant your application. If you have the $25 it can't hurt (it isn't exactly a lot of money).

P95Carry
July 21, 2003, 11:19 PM
Just to throw this in .... AFAIK ...... OHIO is still not CCW .... and yet a buddy of mine up in NE OH .... managed to succeed in gettin a PA non res. I do not remember him having too much bother.

chaim
July 22, 2003, 02:30 AM
Just to throw this in .... AFAIK ...... OHIO is still not CCW .... and yet a buddy of mine up in NE OH .... managed to succeed in gettin a PA non res. Yeah, the problem is only for people who live in technically "may issue" states that are defacto "no issue". PA law is "shall issue" for non-res as well as resident permits. However, if you live in a state that issues carry permits you must have one from your home state. If you live in a state that doesn't issue permits then you have no problem. So if you want a PA permit and you live in a "shall issue" state and have a permit or if you live in a "no issue" state and have no record you will be fine. If you live in states like MD or if you are in states like CA or NY where local law enforcement has the descretion but in one of the "no issue" counties you've got a problem since state law says that technically permits are available but in reality they are not.

chaim
July 22, 2003, 02:30 AM
Oops, I haven't done that in a long time.:o

P95Carry
July 22, 2003, 09:27 AM
Thx Chaim ...... I hadn't viewed it from that perspective ....... now I see the picture, which I actually hadn't stopped and considered properly.

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