Best Point & Shoot Gun


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zeke707
November 27, 2007, 12:43 PM
My vote says German Luger. (I'm biased *but* you can't say it's not true)! What is your best "point & shoot" and why? Now I can't say I've tried every gun out there so my comments are subjective. I've read more than one comment on the subject and the Luger name constantly comes up.:) Oh, by the way,I did a search but didn't find any posts regarding the subject. If there is, please close this!:o

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Thaddeus Jones
November 27, 2007, 12:53 PM
For me, it would be the S&W 4" 681 revolver. Fast out of the holster, and on target. With a 7-shot cylinder, it's revolver perfection.

I've never had a semi auto that I could point and shoot as well. TJ

KBintheSLC
November 27, 2007, 01:23 PM
I am liking the Kel-Tec p32 I recently purchased. Considering how tiny the sights are, point shooting is what its made for. I had a S&W made Walther PPK/S that was pretty unreliable and cost twice as much as the P32. Traded out the PPK/S a while back and picked up a G26.

The P32 has been 100% so far, it shoots nicely, and it is the easiest gun to carry of any I have seen.

Brian Williams
November 27, 2007, 01:26 PM
Mine is a S&W 65 with a 4" standard barrel, then a 1911 followed by a Glock 19 with the finger grooves filed off.

Koblenz
November 27, 2007, 01:30 PM
Browning Hi Power.

Papaster
November 27, 2007, 01:55 PM
I dunno. I had a pretty hard time missing with a friend's suppressed MAC-10 in .45 ACP shooting from the hip. Now that's some effective point-and-shooting.

19-3Ben
November 27, 2007, 02:14 PM
My Sig P232. I don't know why. I don't 100% trust the .380 caliber on its own, but I carry the gun about 15% of the time (the rest of the time I carry my trusty Ruger SP101) and trust that I can do my part to get lead on target and i know shot placement counts more than caliber. It just points BEAUTIFULLY for me, which is odd because I generally shoot wheel-guns better than semi-autos. Must have to do with the grip angle...I LOVE the feel of that gun.

K9american
November 27, 2007, 02:15 PM
What, no XDs?

My preference - 1911, Commander or Govt.

Also agree about the Luger as a natural pointer. Too bad they don't make one in .45. :what:

Deer Hunter
November 27, 2007, 02:17 PM
My CZ 97 fits this role quite nicely.

CWL
November 27, 2007, 02:25 PM
I think that any gun designed with the bore axis that sits close to your trigger finger would be good point shooters.

HKs P7 family pistols would be a good example of that.

Probably also the Mateba auto-revolver, but I've never fired one.

M1911s are also natural "pointers" especially since the original Govt. Model had such a lame set of sights.

littlegator
November 27, 2007, 02:27 PM
HK PSG-1 - you didn't say how fast you have to point and shoot. :p

Caimlas
November 27, 2007, 02:35 PM
After a little thought, I reached a fairly astounding conclusion - both guns are made by CZ. I hadn't thought that the case, and I wish it wasn't, because I like buying American.

For rifles, the CZ 452 Lux: perfectly balanced, good sights that line up perfectly for my build every time, and a stock rake which is well suited for my build. An SKS with a stock extension pad comes in close after that, but I think that might be due to the frequency of shooting it - same for my AR15.

For pistols, the CZ75/CZ75B. Sits low in the hand, the length of pull (do pistols have LOP?) is perfect for my finger length, the length of the grip is sufficient that even with a sloppy grip the grip is still firm with no fingers or part of my hand hanging off the bottom, and the weight (being an all-metal gun) is balanced with or without a loaded magazine. BHPs and 1911s come in after that.

TOADMAN
November 27, 2007, 02:38 PM
Point shooting.. Been doing this a lot lately at the range.. Surprisingly, the Glock 26 works best for me.

Lonestar49
November 27, 2007, 02:45 PM
...

For me it would be a tie between my Colt Defender and my SA EMP 9mm


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HisSoldier
November 27, 2007, 02:56 PM
Luger, Ruger .22 has similar grip angle I think, High Standard does too I believe.
My PPK/S has a great grip angle, and is WAY more reliable than my Kel-Tec ever even wished it could be. It's been said that the Remington 51 has the best grip shape and angle ever designed for a handgun, I've never held one so I can't say.
So, we stare at an object, grab the pistol, close our eyes and point the gun at the place our memory says the object was, and open our eyes and see where the sights are pointed, right?

SeanSw
November 27, 2007, 03:11 PM
Colt 1851 and S&W 67 with Hogue grips.

briansp82593
November 27, 2007, 06:42 PM
this http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/beretta96/FNM0046l.jpg

1man
November 27, 2007, 06:48 PM
The 2 guns that I have that naturally point are my "rare pieces"; Sig P220 38Super and S&W 66 3" barrel 357mag.

woad_yurt
November 27, 2007, 08:14 PM
I vote for K frame S&Ws. A close second place: I also have an old .32 Long H&R hammerless and a Webley MKIII that shoot right to where one points.

My bad. This an autoloader thread. Sorry.

hondapro
November 27, 2007, 08:25 PM
My XD works the best for me,the grip angle is really comfortable for me

MJZZZ
November 27, 2007, 08:31 PM
My CZ 75 Compact in satin nickel is the most naturally accurate gun I own. It double taps almost too easily and it looks so good doing it. Mike

Flashpoint
November 28, 2007, 01:09 AM
I haven't found anything that points better for me than the Steyrs.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/148376/kersawblursteyrs40.jpg
Although the XD the fellow at the range let me shoot did feel pretty natural.

10-Ring
November 28, 2007, 01:11 AM
Easy -- HK P7M8 :D It's the most natural pointer I've ever picked up :cool:

Geronimo45
November 28, 2007, 01:26 AM
I've found my 1911 to be lacking in this regard. It wants to point at the crickets. May be the fault of the arched mainspring housing, Applegate mentions the same thing in his book, and I'm guessing that the trend to flat MSH's might be to remedy that. Applegate thought that the P38 pointed very well.
Best pointer I've got? Beretta 21A, followed by the S&W K-frame, then the 1911. The Smith is very good, but the Beretta still has it beat. Really impressive for such a small gun.

joneb
November 28, 2007, 01:37 AM
S&W J frame round butt, and K frame RB

-terry
November 28, 2007, 01:37 AM
For me my Sig p220 and my CZ75. They both just come up on target.

grimjaw
November 28, 2007, 01:54 AM
Some of the most natural pointers for me have been:

- Glock "compact" models (not sub-compact)
- Browning Hi-Power
- Steyr M9

Haven't shot enough 1911s to know for sure, but at the gun counter they've always felt pretty good.

jm

GaryArkansas
November 28, 2007, 06:56 AM
CZ 75B. Idiot proof and well made as well.

1911Tuner
November 28, 2007, 06:56 AM
Colts. The 1851 Navy and the 1873 SAA.

Mad Magyar
November 28, 2007, 07:17 AM
The Mauser HSc is a natural pointer....

viking72
November 28, 2007, 07:22 AM
Colt SAA 5 1/2"Bbl.
Nothing even comes close!

Later,
Doug

dwave
November 28, 2007, 08:33 AM
Colt SAA 5 1/2"Bbl.
Nothing even comes close!

Oh yes there is, Colt 1851 navy. Best pointing pistol I have ever held and shot! (of course it is a black powder gun)

zeke707
November 28, 2007, 10:58 AM
OK. In my original post I should have asked what you would do if confronted with a situation that requires using your weapon. Specifically, I believe most people would "point & shoot" as opposed to "aim and fire". What do you think and why?:)

possum
November 28, 2007, 11:17 AM
xd's for me,

KBintheSLC
November 28, 2007, 12:49 PM
My PPK/S has a great grip angle, and is WAY more reliable than my Kel-Tec ever even wished it could be.

It is interesting that we each had exactly opposite experiences with these guns. My PPK/S (S&W) failed often but my P32 has not failed yet. I guess both of these companies are still lacking in the consistency of quality.

waterhouse
November 28, 2007, 12:58 PM
HK P7 for me. I've liked the "pointability" of the Steyr M series as well.

Guitargod1985
November 28, 2007, 05:34 PM
I'm going to have to second the vote for the Sig P232. This gun, despite the diminutive sights, is a fantastic point shooter. I only got it about two weeks ago, but as soon as I took it to the range and fired it I knew it was destined to be my newest carry gun.

Roswell 1847
November 28, 2007, 07:31 PM
For and Autoloader the P35.
I'm glad there are so many others here who recognize the excellent qualities of the 1851 Navy. Wild Bill Hickock sure knew his guns and he agreed with us on this score.

1911Tuner
November 28, 2007, 08:13 PM
I'm glad there are so many others here who recognize the excellent qualities of the 1851 Navy.

Oh, yeah. And the clones in .44 caliber just don't have quite the same...heft as the .36s do. Freakin' thing just seems like it homes in on a target.

(of course it is a black powder gun)

Yeah...but it's still put its share of men in the dust, for sure. Not what I'd opt for today...but I still wouldn't feel helpless with one if I had to.

fishingjld
November 29, 2007, 01:00 AM
browning hi power and clones. nice!!

Okiecruffler
November 29, 2007, 07:19 AM
Probably depends on what you were learned with. I grew up around 1911's and snubbies, so those feel natural to me. Glocks and Lugers point high. I've been toting a little Taurus PT745 that points pretty natural, once again, for me.

viking72
November 29, 2007, 08:40 AM
Hi Dwave,
The 1851 Navy and 1873 Saa have the same grip frame!
Later,
Doug

AirForceShooter
November 29, 2007, 09:59 AM
Luger followed by the Hi Power.

Look at the target, close your eyes, pick up the gun and point it at the target. Eyes still closed. Now open your eyes.

AFS

REPOMAN
November 29, 2007, 10:03 AM
.38 Snubby.....:evil:

Spenser
November 29, 2007, 10:09 AM
I'd go with a Glock 26 and a 3" 1911 Kimber Ultra. Small guns seem to work best on point shooting.

jaybar
November 29, 2007, 01:28 PM
Hands down - best natural pointer is the John Pederson designed Remington Model 51 in either .32ACP or .380ACP. Best ergonmically designed grip shape and angle. Lousy trigger but great natural pointer.

dwave
November 29, 2007, 07:52 PM
The 1851 Navy and 1873 Saa have the same grip frame!

They have the same grip, yes, but not the same frame or barrel. The 51 balances better in my opinion.

KrankyKraut
November 29, 2007, 08:08 PM
I own the following "usual suspects" and would rank them as follows in regards to pointability:

1) Luger
2) S&W K frame (Model 15)
3) Hi-Power
3) 1911 (tie)

I have handled, but do not own, the Steyr M40, and it is also very good. Same goes for the CZ P-01 and the Bersa Thunder 9 UC.

zeke707
November 29, 2007, 10:41 PM
The Luger is mentioned 4 times in this thread. I'd venture to say it's in the "Top Ten" if not the top 3 of "Best Point & Shoot".:)

XavierBreath
November 29, 2007, 11:25 PM
http://www.bayourovers.com/WhitneyWolverineandcan6678.jpg

DawgFvr
November 30, 2007, 10:29 AM
Methinks the best point-n-shoot gun goes to the best point-n-shooter. Really, unless one fired every existing/known side arm, how could one's opinion be more than that...opinion?

alpha6164
December 1, 2007, 12:29 PM
I agree with all that said HK P7 series. I have shot Glocks, S&W, others HKs, revolvers, Sigs and nothing, nothing comes close to my HKS P7s. My handguns include: Definitely nothing to brag about but a decent variety.

1) HK Mk 23 SOCOM
2) HK P7 PSP (2)
3) HK P7M8
4) Sig 226R
5) Kahr PM9
6) HK P2000 SK v3 9mm
7) Walther P99c

NASCAR_MAN
December 1, 2007, 12:46 PM
My "Best Point and Shoot" gun is whatever I must train myself to handle in order to be able to defend myself and family - and I think this is the same for everyone here.

Train - try to do so everyday (yes...when done right, Dry-firing IS training, and so are non-gun drills).

NASCAR

HM2PAC
December 1, 2007, 12:46 PM
I would go with 1911 or Ruger SP101.

pablo45
December 1, 2007, 06:08 PM
Glock 19

Constantine-p89
December 1, 2007, 06:16 PM
Ruger p89.

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