[Bowlcut]

Would you buy or take to the range an AK47 clone that has been converted to full auto? Or was converted then took back to semi....but still has that little bit of grinding visible to let the selector go all the way down. Cause other than that little tang being ground down a bit....its externaly the same looking. Even fireing just semi auto...and the gun with the semi auto works in it.... is it worth the hassles?

[Hkmp5sd]

I would not possess any firearm illegally converted to full auto. 10 years at Club Fed and the permanent loss of my legal full auto weapons kills any desire to have one.

[Schuey2002]

No! :uhoh:

[Destructo6]

It's not the extra selector detent, it's the extra hole in the receiver.

Don't walk away, run.

[c_yeager]

Just so you know that third hole in the reciever is enough (in the eyes of the ATF) to put you away for 10 years. If they dont consider it a machine gun all by itself then they will call it "intent". Either way you'r screwed. Unless of course its a legal pre 86 or post sample that you have the right paperwork for.

[Tamara]

FWIW, the first position down on an AK is full auto, all the way down is semi. That little tang is just the overtravel stop for the safety to keep it from pivoting all the way down off the side of the receiver; it's broken off on my Norinco, too.

[Mike Irwin]

Sure.

It's ABSOLUTELY worth the possibility of a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison, where you'll find true love as Bubba's Bum Biach.

You make the call.

:rolleyes:

[Tamara]

According to Bowlcut, the only evidence that the rifle had ever been converted to full-auto is:
...bit of grinding visible to let the selector go all the way down...that little tang being ground down a bit....its externaly the same looking.

Five gets you ten that that rifle has never been converted to full auto. "That little tang" has absolutely doink to do with full auto. It serves no function other than to limit the travel of the safety because it's cheaper and easier to rivet a bent piece of sheet steel under the trigger guard than to mill a piece inside the receiver, and "cheap and easy" is what the AK is all about.

Bowlcut, unless you actually saw the gun in question firing fully automatic, I'd be willing to wager that it was never converted to full-auto, as busting off the safety overtravel stop is not part of the conversion: Again, the first position down off safe on an AK is full-auto, the second position down is semi.

[Hkmp5sd]

If someone has been tinkering with it, I'd pass anyway. If they guy was dumb enough to try to grind off part of the selector/cover to make it full-auto, there is no telling what else he did. And like Destructo6 said, if there is an extra hole in the correct place, ATF will consider it converted.

BTW, Tamara, how come whenever I click on your swords and gun parts link, it always says Tamslick isn't selling anything? :) You selling stuff so fast it's gone moments after you post it?

[Tamara]

I've just been unusually slack for the last month and a half or so in getting stuff posted to sell; being in 'n' out of town a lot means I can't keep up with my auctions the way I'd like to. Now that I'm gonna be stationary for a while, I should have more stuff up within the week. :cool:


(You bring up a good point; if the previous owner actually ground the overtravel stop off, lord knows what else he may have screwed up. If he bought the gun second-hand himself, he may just be assuming that the busted overtravel stop had been ground off by the BS artist who sold it to him claiming it had once been "full auto". ;) )

[Chipperman]

When you can buy a NIB clone for less than $400, why screw around with a dubious specimen anyway?

[Mike Irwin]

"According to Bowlcut, the only evidence that the rifle had ever been converted to full-auto is:


quote:
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...bit of grinding visible to let the selector go all the way down...that little tang being ground down a bit....its externaly the same looking."


I'm fully cognizant of that, Tams.

My answer was based on his final question "Is it worth the hassles."

Quite frankly, I'd have to say in today's climiate, no it is NOT.

What's been mucked with internally that Bowlcut doesn't know about? Even more interestingly, why the specific wording on the question as it is? Was the gun someone's back shed project for the "illegal gun of the year" awards?

Remember, these days it's your word against theirs that you A) didn't know that the device had been messed with, and B) that you in fact didn't do the messing.

You want to be the once facing the Justice Department?

There are bells ringing here, and they aren't church bells.

[c_yeager]

Considering the fact that there are people in the gun community that think AKs should be illegal and the fact that a lot of people think they already are your going to be under a certain amount of scrutiny as it is. I wouldnt take the additional risk.

[Bowlcut]

i do know better.....

[4v50 Gary]

Sure would - if it was legally done w/the paperwork & tax stamp. Otherwise, Club Fed is not what I'm planning for retirement or health care when I'm older.

[cslinger]

Have I got a deal for you.

You can shoot mine anytime you like and at no additional charge you get to stay out of prison.:D

AK clones are cheap and easy to find. Buy one that hasn't been jacked around with, chances are even if it wasn't illegally converted Bubba Home Gunsmith may have screwed up a perfectly good AK.

It's not worth the hassal.

Chris

[cslinger]

You can shoot mine anytime you like and at no additional charge you get to stay out of prison.

Well assuming you don't go knock over a Mapco or anything. :evil:

[RustyHammer]

No!