Kel Tec P3AT Crimson Trace Coming!!!


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P95loser
November 28, 2007, 10:04 AM
I don't know if you guys have already seen these or not... but I would be interested in them.

http://forums.crimsontrace.com/index.php?topic=33695.msg5706

I like how they said "aggressive price point"!

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VTKFJoe
November 28, 2007, 12:24 PM
I like how small and unobtrusive it seems to be. I hope "aggressive price point" is acurate :D

strat81
November 28, 2007, 01:34 PM
+1 on the price point. It'd be funny if the laser grip cost more than the gun.

dhoomonyou
November 28, 2007, 03:16 PM
bout as usefull as breasts on a bull,
IMO

DawgFvr
November 28, 2007, 03:54 PM
I'd rather spend the money on ammo (for another weapon). I can hit a target with my P3AT...'bout as far as I can throw it. I surely do not need a laser for this paltry distance.

mjrodney
November 28, 2007, 05:44 PM
I agree totally with Dawgfvr.

The only reason this handgun would be out of my pocket is if a legitimate threat is up close, and where the need for a laser sight would be debatable.

Headless
November 28, 2007, 06:32 PM
I disagree with you guys - I could see it being useful for shooting from the hip and in low light situations.

P95loser
November 28, 2007, 07:03 PM
To me, the advantage of this would be for a fast shot. These laser grips are not for accurate shooting on a P3AT (if there is such a thing). They are to make sure that first shot you get off as the BG is running towards you is on target. After that, take aim.

Rex B
November 29, 2007, 10:58 AM
I think the intimidation factor is worth noting.
Nothing says "gotcha" like a laser dot on your chest.

Of course, in my case it would be a wildly vibrating dot ;)
Gotta work on that.

Hypnogator
November 29, 2007, 12:38 PM
I have a "pocket-slipper" laser on my P-32 in my rear pants pocket as I'm typing this. Disguises the outline of the pistol to that of a wallet, and allows precision shooting, which is something the crude sights just don't do. Also, the P-32 doesn't point naturally for me, so the laser quickly allows me to see the POA. Finally, it allows for indirect aiming.

Why have a laser? Why not? As far as I can see, there are no disadvantages and several potential advantages. Whether these advantages are enough to offset the cost is up to you. YMMV.

DawgFvr
November 29, 2007, 01:32 PM
I have a P3AT...but to be honest, I have more faith in a good blunt object, a knife or my fist. Maybe you might take the fight out of a BG...but you will hardly stop/drop a determined attacker from killing you with these minisucle weapons. If I have to use (read: resort to) .380 ACP...I certainly would not waste even one round "shooting from the hip". I would think you would need at least two magazines worth of "pin-point" accuracy keeping a "death-grip" while sighting over the barrel to even make an impact on a large human being. Even then, I'd be prepared to resort to a knife/fists after emptying the little gun...hoping it will not jam... while the target continues the fight. Lazer, smazer...get thee to a gun shop and purchase a real weapon with the laser money as down payment. A BG, or even a GG is not going to look downwards at his body during a fight and say, "Oh...look...a red dot is on me...must be a laser...oh gee, think I'll just quit attacking while I'm ahead." sheesh!

quickcanary
November 29, 2007, 11:52 PM
I would think you would need at least two magazines worth of "pin-point" accuracy keeping a "death-grip" while sighting over the barrel to even make an impact on a large human being.

:uhoh: Are you saying you think it would take at least 2 mags worth of .380 into the COM or CNS to deter an attacker? :confused:

DawgFvr
November 30, 2007, 11:35 AM
Might be an exageration...my point being that I'd want at least six of those little pills through the perp's heart/throat. (You will be in major trouble if you do not hit a vital spot...probably in big trouble even if you do). I'd continue to battle him with another weapon while he bled out. At least my P3AT makes quite a bit of noise...I would use that to withdraw and get to cover or a more lethal weapon.

MCgunner
November 30, 2007, 11:37 AM
Oh, lord, ain't even got a P3AT yet and I'm already spending money on it. :rolleyes::D

I ain't much on the .380 for reasons of penetration, not a lot of bullet mass there, but a hit in the right place and a BG is DRT. Even a .22 will put a man down post haste if you hit him in the eye/face. The fight will stop. The .380 has enough umph for center mass on a normal human, not sure about a big, fat guy, but even my old arse can outrun a big, fat guy, LOL! It don't get very cold down here, so I don't worry about heavy winter clothing. The P3AT sure is easy to carry in hot weather, too.

I have an old Grendel P12 that is a good shooter, 100 percent reliable if it's not too accurate. It carries 12 rounds. At close range, I doubt I'd need more'n a couple, frankly.

DawgFvr
November 30, 2007, 01:18 PM
I dunno...heard too many horror stories. One guy shot in the face with the P3AT in a dispute...spits the bullet out, goes back in his house, retrieves a revolver, comes back out and kills the guy who shot him. I read where a guy went to a hospital recently, drove himself there, and they found five .380 rounds in his chest...none were too deep. Oh sure, I've heard where a kid shot a Bear in the back with a .22 LR and it killed the bear...snapped the spinal cord. I'm not saying it cannot be done...but I say it is luck. A human being can have his heart explode and still have enough oxigenated blood in his system to close with and kill you. I don't believe the .380 is going to drop anybody in their tracks...even at close range, quite frankly.

M2 Carbine
November 30, 2007, 02:27 PM
The gunfight distance and time of night or day is determined by the BG.

With that in mind I attempt to give myself every advantage to make all shots count with whatever gun I'm carrying at any distance, day or night.

The best device I've found to guarantee all bullets quickly hit where I want is a (good) laser.

I've had the ARMA laser on my P3AT since they first came out. After using it for some time I wouldn't be without it, but I'll be looking at the Crimson Trace.

I consider this to be the MINIMUM competency for carrying these small low power guns, and I can't do it without a good laser.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/P3ATlaser2.jpg

Shot in near darkness at 10 yards.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/P3ATlaser.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KelTec32laser.jpg

brett30030
November 30, 2007, 10:57 PM
I dunno...heard too many horror stories. One guy shot in the face with the P3AT in a dispute...spits the bullet out, goes back in his house, retrieves a revolver, comes back out and kills the guy who shot him. I read where a guy went to a hospital recently, drove himself there, and they found five .380 rounds in his chest...none were too deep. Oh sure, I've heard where a kid shot a Bear in the back with a .22 LR and it killed the bear...snapped the spinal cord. I'm not saying it cannot be done...but I say it is luck. A human being can have his heart explode and still have enough oxigenated blood in his system to close with and kill you. I don't believe the .380 is going to drop anybody in their tracks...even at close range, quite frankly.

Very interesting, I would love to find the source of at least 1 of those stories (if not all, it would make your claim more credible). That would make for some powerful arguments for against all of those rounds. Please post that information ASAP!!!

Soybomb
December 1, 2007, 05:15 AM
Looks nice I might consider one of those as long as it doesn't cost as much as the gun :D

Geno
December 1, 2007, 08:07 AM
The proof is in the pudding, folks.

But, I have a problem at face value. The problem I have with so many laser grips, or firearms lasers period is the mark-up. I can only imagine that the profit margin is somewhere north of 300%. These companies seem to use the same laser in their products as what I see in these cheap $5.00 pointer lasers.

It will take some pretty serious evidence to convince me that there is $300.00+ materials and labor in manufacturing one of these lasers. They may work, and in fact, they may work well, but I refuse to lay out the cash on some of these products until the company gets the price down to a reasonable level.

Remember supply and demand. They (CT et. al.) have the supply, but if we don't "demand" their products, prices eventually will drop.

JMHO

Doc2005

1911RjB
December 1, 2007, 08:12 AM
Doc2005 you can find them around for 200-250, although i agree with you on alot of what you said.

ever for 200-250 it too would take alot of proff that all the materials and labor in manufacturing one of these things cost any thing close to 200-250$... :X

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