Heston to recieve Presidential Medal of Freedom


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Kharn
July 20, 2003, 10:16 AM
From: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030718-2.html

Statement by the Press Secretary

At a ceremony to be held at the White House on July 23, 2003, the President will award the Nation's highest civil honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, to the following individuals:
[a few people]
Charlton Heston is an Academy Award winning actor and an eloquent, early voice on behalf of civil rights in the United States and democracy around the world. His films include The Greatest Show on Earth, El Cid, The Greatest Story Ever Told, Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, and Planet of the Apes, among many others.
[another bunch of people]

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Does anyone think Mr. Heston would have been awarded this medal under Clinton? (related question: would Mr. Heston have accepted it from Slick Willy?)

Kharn

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Hypnogator
July 20, 2003, 10:24 AM
And richly deserved, too. Unstated, but loudly clear is his work for freedom as president of the NRA.;)

Soap
July 20, 2003, 10:30 AM
Very nice!

sig970
July 20, 2003, 11:04 AM
Very deserving IMHO

Hkmp5sd
July 20, 2003, 11:14 AM
I think Heston greatly deserves the medal, but the timing, as he steps down from the head of the NRA, gives the appearance this is nothing more than a calculated political act to gain favor with NRA/Gun Owners, especially if Bush will not step up and flatly state he will not sign any new assault weapon legislation.

Perhaps Mr. Heston can ask Bush flat out during the ceremony and put him directly on the hotseat.

CasualShooter
July 20, 2003, 11:54 AM
Great! Well Deserved! :)

BTW, Hkmp5sd ...

gives the appearance this is nothing more than a calculated political act to gain favor with NRA/Gun Owners, especially if Bush will not step up and flatly state he will not sign any new assault weapon legislation.

Does anyone remember how close we came to having Al Gore as President? :barf:

If we do our part :banghead: communicating with our representatives in the US Senate and especially the US House and insist that they do their part, the AWB Extension should never see the Presidents desk. :fire:

IMHO, unless the president starts actively working for passage of AWB2, we should cut him some slack on this issue -- unless or until we lose the issue in the US House, and we should not let that happen! :banghead:

Don't think Heston's selection will be lost on the Antis - they will be howling! :neener:

Hkmp5sd
July 20, 2003, 11:57 AM
should cut him some slack on this issue

Nope. Sorry. If he signs a new assault weapon ban into law, I will not vote for George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election. If he rides the fence and the bill doesn't make it to his desk, then I'll cut him some slack.

And since I live in Florida, my vote counts and counts and counts... :)

Standing Wolf
July 20, 2003, 10:26 PM
If he signs a new assault weapon ban into law, I will not vote for George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election. If he rides the fence and the bill doesn't make it to his desk, then I'll cut him some slack.

You and me both.

Ian
July 20, 2003, 11:39 PM
The Patriot Act was enough for me. I won't vote for him even if he does veto the AWB.

CasualShooter
July 21, 2003, 12:43 AM
Who do you think you will vote for? Dick Gephart? :barf: Hillary Clinton? :cuss: :fire: Any other Democrat? :barf: :barf:

Be careful what you wish for! :banghead: You may get it. :rolleyes:

Mike Irwin
July 21, 2003, 01:02 AM
As long as he doesn't forget where he is during the awards ceremony and say "Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty President!"

Planet of the Apes was on this evening...

Just what in the hell were those apes carrying?

Destructo6
July 21, 2003, 01:22 AM
Just what in the hell were those apes carrying?
Those damn dirty apes were carrying duded-up M1 carbines in their filthy stinking paws. (the movie just finished here) At least that's what it looked like to me.

If GW signs a new AWB into law, I'll have a hard time justifying a vote for him. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, of course.

Ian
July 21, 2003, 01:23 AM
Casualshooter - Maybe a Libertarian. Maybe nobody.

Justin
July 21, 2003, 01:37 AM
Casual Shooter-

Would you mind explaining to me how voting for a Republican who supports the AWB, PATRIOT Act, graduated income tax, and TIA is any different than a Democrat who supports the AWB, PATRIOT Act graduated income tax, and TIA?:scrutiny:


As for Heston getting an award, well bully for him. My inner cynic is telling me about what Hkmp5sd posted earlier.

And yes, the apes were carrying gussied up M1 carbines in the original 'Planet of the Apes' movie.

CasualShooter
July 21, 2003, 01:46 AM
Ian...

That is your right, of course; but, as one shooter to another, I hope you will consider the matter carefully before making your decision in November of next year.

It's not easy to reverse the direction of a locomotive at high speed. It can't be done instantaneously. You first have to slow it down and bring it to a stop. Then engage reverse and slowly start accellerating to resume speed in reverse. :banghead:

IMHO, if the Democrats should win in 2004, we could lose all we have gained in the last few years and much more. :cuss: :fire:

Think Positive! :)

CasualShooter
July 21, 2003, 02:08 AM
Would you mind explaining to me how voting for a Republican who supports the AWB, PATRIOT Act, graduated income tax, and TIA is any different than a Democrat who supports the AWB, PATRIOT Act graduated income tax, and TIA?

Duh, excuse me. :rolleyes: Didn't the Republicans give us not one (1) but two (2) tax reductions since Bush took office. And the Democrats were kicking and screaming all the way! Democrats would INCREASE taxes if they could just like they did under Clinton. And, so far at least, Bush's support of an extension of the AWB has been pretty "luke warm" and so far it doesn't have the support reqired for passage in the House. :scrutiny:

If the Democrats were to get their way, you would see passage of an AWB2 that is a lot worse then the existing AWB.

If the Democrats should regain control in 2004, you will learn the difference pretty fast. :banghead:

Let's hope that doesn't happen! :fire:

Ian
July 21, 2003, 02:17 AM
Yes, the current administration passed a couple tax cuts. They also expanded the Federal budget by leaps and bounds. I like tax cuts - but the combination of lower taxes and higher spending simply does not work. Some day we will have to pay for all this - either will big tax hikes or with devaluation of the currency, which is just as bad. More than tax cuts, we need to cut government spending. Tax cuts will come after that, and will be able to last. Tax cuts coupled with increased spending just create a huge debt.

CasualShooter
July 21, 2003, 02:46 AM
...we need to cut government spending.

I agree! :( And I am disappointed in the Bush administration and the Republican Congress that they haven't controled spending. :banghead:

But, do you really believe that the Democrats really care about reducing spending? :rolleyes: They make a lot of noise about reducing spending and balancing the budget; but, do you really think the Dems would do this. :rolleyes:

It was the Republican Congress that forced reduced spending under Clinton. :D

If you want to see spending really go through the roof, let the Democrats regain control. And, of course, we all know that they would have to increase taxes, too. :cuss: Let's hope this doesn't happen. :banghead:

JohnBT
July 21, 2003, 10:28 AM
What would Charlton Heston do? :cool:

(And congratulations to Mr. Heston a well-deserved award. JT)

10-Ring
July 21, 2003, 10:56 AM
Awesome! This award is well deserved & is bestowed at a point where Mr. Heston can see the appreciation his fans have for everything he has given to the US :D

David Park
July 21, 2003, 11:14 AM
...the timing, as he steps down from the head of the NRA, gives the appearance this is nothing more than a calculated political act... Actually, I think the timing is appropriate, as it relates more to the end of his public life with the onset of Alzheimer's disease. Better to give him the award now, while he can still appreciate it, than later.

bjengs
July 21, 2003, 04:25 PM
Casual Shooter

I thought my sig line would irk you, so I'm posting.

Erik
July 21, 2003, 09:31 PM
Excellent.

CasualShooter
July 21, 2003, 09:50 PM
bjengs...

I thought my sig line would irk you, so I'm posting.

I don't know why you thought that. :confused: You're entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to disagree. :D

Actually, I am not as much pro Republican as I am anti Democrat! I really believe the Libertarians have some good points on a number of issues.

However, like it or not, we still have essentially a two party system in this country.

If you don't believe it all you have to do is look at the last three elections. The best any third party has been able to do is perhaps swing the election to one or the other of the two major parties. :rolleyes:

Now given the fact that the Democrats openly embrace infringement of the
second amendment as part of their platform; and, that they continue unrelenting efforts aimed at outlawing the private ownership of firearms, it seems a "no brainer" to me as to whether I will generally support the Republicans. :banghead:

Any other course, including a decision not to vote, could effectively be a decision in favor of the Democrats. :barf:

I am generally not willing to do that. :what:

Ian
July 21, 2003, 11:06 PM
Both the Republicans and Democrats are perfectly happy leading America into rampant socialism and ballooning Federal power. Neither has any interest in repealing any gun laws. Given that, I would much rather that the descent be fast and startling. I assume you're familiar with the boiling frog analogy? If the heat must rise, then let 'em crank it wide open to wake people up.

If that means that some addlebrained twit of a politician passes a ban on some or all guns in the meantime, then so be it. I'm honestly not too concerned about that scenario, because I have the means and motivation to evade it. I'm not going to turn in my guns if they pass a law requiring it, so what do I have to fear? Sure, I may have to run more risks than I do now, but if that's the price of getting back to a limited government (or better), then so be it.

I think that in the long term, the Republicans are a greater threat to freedom than the Democrats, because the Republicans destroy freedom slowly enough that people don't notice until it's too late to do much about it.

CasualShooter
July 22, 2003, 01:09 AM
If that means that some addlebrained twit of a politician passes a ban on some or all guns in the meantime, then so be it.

I'm not willing to "roll over" on this issue that easy. :(

Sure, the Republicans may leave a lot to be desired in some areas; but, a Democratic Congress had the better part of 40 years to screw things up to this point. :mad:

It is not going to be turned around overnight; :banghead: but, I think the Republicans currently offer our "best hope". By getting involved, communicating, and holding them accountable, we can slowly but surely get this turned around. Progress HAS been made. That's why the Dems have been so ridiculous lately. Things HAVE NOT been going their way and it is driving them crazy. :D

Freedom isn't free. It requires constant vigilance and a continuous fight to keep it. And, once lost, it's MUCH more difficult to regain it. :banghead:

I believe there is a BIG difference between the two parties and I think the current Democratic Party is a greater threat to this Republic and our way of life than many may realize.

4v50 Gary
July 22, 2003, 01:46 AM
Bravo for Chuckie Moses! :cool:

Now, when do I get my medal for breathing air? :scrutiny: Doesn't that count for something? :confused: Well, nothing is better than recognition before a firing squad. :p

JohnBT
July 22, 2003, 07:58 AM
"Now, when do I get my medal for breathing air?"

Have you paid your Federal mostly-Fresh Air Tax this year? Have you submitted the required paperwork? You did? Then please wait patiently by your mailbox. The medals are being mailed directly by the manufacturer in China.

JT

RandyB
July 22, 2003, 03:09 PM
A big Hurray for Mr. Heston. He is an american Icon in many ways and I have enjoyed his leadership in the NRA. On the sidebars, If Bush signs the AWB, I won't vote for him either. Of course I won't vote Democrat. I personally am still supporting Bush. His support of God and country is far and away better than ole' Bill. I think the Bush has to play a wee bit to the middle road and 'tease' a few votes for the next election. That is part of politics, he just needs to remember who is buttering his bread.

KMKeller
July 22, 2003, 03:50 PM
I'm proud to say that I have shaken his hand and he ruffled my son's hair and asked him "how are you doing little man?". My boy was thrilled.

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