Just a Little More Decision Help


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JCook5003
November 29, 2007, 02:00 PM
Ok Guys-

After getting to try a lot of the guns out I recently thought about picking up I found I actually didnt like any of them and didnt shoot them worth a dern....

Most of the were sub compact .40's and .45's I was shooting 3 and 4 inch 1911's excellent but find it hard to spend that kind of cash right now (College, House, Wife, Dog, the list goes on)

So I think I am now in search of a compact or Sub-compact 9mm that has a high capacity....I would also consider compact .40's just not sub-compacts.....

I need a gun that conceals well IWB under just a t-shirt, and I hate Glocks and dont care for the XD's either.....so what do you all recomend for affordable carry? Also not sure I trust the Taurus name FWIW.

Thanks
Josh

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lee n. field
November 29, 2007, 02:10 PM
I hate Glocks and dont care for the XD's either

Well, you just knocked down two of my possible suggestions.

What don't you not like?

JCook5003
November 29, 2007, 02:39 PM
I really didnt like the ergonomics of either.....like holding a brick I just couldnt shoot them comfortably.

1SOW
November 29, 2007, 04:54 PM
Have you looked at a CZ P01? A Compact, 9mm, 3.9" barrel, 14+1, aluminum frame, light weight 1.7lbs, Sig features like decocker & safeties. Price should be $500-$550. Many improvements over the CZ75.

mljdeckard
November 29, 2007, 05:09 PM
I think you're going to find that compacts are going to be difficult for you to shoot in general.

FWIW, I find, a lot of rookies gravitate toward compact/sub-compact frame autos, because the perception is, they are less intimidating. BUT, the truth is, smaller guns are actually harder to shoot, for a few reasons. Smaller frames are harder to get a good grip on and know where all your fingers go. Smaller frames weigh less, and actually give you more felt recoil. And shorter autos have a shorter sight radius. The closer the front and rear sight are to one another, the harder it is to shoot accurately.

I parrot frequently, that I dislike how the industry and the gun media seem to have a lot of people convinced that they cannot carry a full-size pistol. Find the pistol that works for you first, learn it well, shrink it later, if you still think you need to.

(I also distrust Taurus, but the vast majority of gun owners probably will never shoot any gun enough to make it fail.)

JCook5003
November 29, 2007, 10:38 PM
Also I may start another post on this but I got to hold a Glock 30 tonight which felt better in my hand like the grip had a larger diameter and was a little longer than the Glock 27 grip.........anyone conceal one easily? what kind of holster? Reliability? Etc?

JCook5003
November 29, 2007, 10:41 PM
Also I may start another post on this but I got to hold a Glock 30 tonight which felt better in my hand like the grip had a larger diameter and was a little longer than the Glock 27 grip.........anyone conceal one easily? what kind of holster? Reliability? Etc?

The Lone Haranguer
November 29, 2007, 11:06 PM
Compact but still high capacity: CZ75D Compact PCR (I own one) or P-01, 14 rounds of 9mm. Honorable mention: SIG P229, 12 rounds of .40.

Subcompact but still high capacity : S&W M&P compact, 12 rounds of 9mm or 10 of .40. (I own a 9mm compact.)

Not as high a capacity, but much slimmer: S&W 3913 and models based on it, 8 rounds of 9mm. (I own a LadySmith. :neener:)

markmc753
November 29, 2007, 11:10 PM
Steyr M40/M9 a1 from cdnn investments if they still have 'em at 349.. Great pistol value!

akanotken
November 30, 2007, 12:35 AM
I'd suggest giving the Walther p99 a go. If you aren't too picky about triggers, the SR9 from Ruger, Armalite 24, HK's new pistol (can't remember the number), Smith's M&P are all pretty ergonomic.

FWIW, (IMO) just because one pistol "melts into your hand" and another "feels like a brick" has very little to do with the level of proficiency. How it points naturally will have some to do. But ultimately you need to shoot/practice with whatever you buy.

In my case, I passed on a Glock and went to a high power for the very reason that you are using now. But honestly, I'd be willing to bet that I'd be just as proficient with the Glock if I hadn't changed my mind. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my high power and shoot it well. But I don't think this was the only path I could have taken ...

My point is, take comfort in the fact that you really can't make a bad decision if you stick with a combat accurate, reliable pistol.

Texastbird
November 30, 2007, 01:18 AM
Ok, laugh, but if money is an object, you could do a lot worse than a CZ82 surplus pistol. Great ergos and grips. 9X18 maybe a little light, but fun to shoot.

Blarelli
November 30, 2007, 01:22 AM
The CZ rami can be had for a little over $400, and it comes with one 10 round mag, and I think it comes with a 14 rounder also. The all metal one is a sweet little gun.

dmftoy1
November 30, 2007, 06:05 AM
I'd try to find a commander length or full length 1911. (If the XD's and Glocks feel like a brick to you). You'll have to commit to practicing as IMHO the 1911 is an "experts" platform but I've never found one that my hands didn't like.

I think for the $ I'd start with a Taurus PT1911, but if you don't like Taurus then I'd probably look at a base Springer. I think the new mil-spec's even come with sights you can see. If you don't like the sights you can upgrade them pretty cheaply if there's a good smith nearby. (or do it yourself)

Just my .02

Regards,
Dave

Quoheleth
November 30, 2007, 07:06 AM
You can get a Rock Island 1911 for under $400 - the base model is only a little bit over $300; the "tactical" (aka "loaded") model is about $350 via Gun Broker or www.sarcoinc.com. Both are good value pistols - good shooters for the money - and RI has great customer service.

I have one, so I know what of I speak.

Q

poppy
November 30, 2007, 10:36 AM
Texastbird Ok, laugh, but if money is an object, you could do a lot worse than a CZ82 surplus pistol. Great ergos and grips. 9X18 maybe a little light, but fun to shoot.
I'm not laughing. That is exactly what I was going to recommend. Prices are between $200 and $300 depending on where you are plus the mag capacity is 12. It's one of the best budget pistols out there.

Texastbird
November 30, 2007, 10:45 AM
Thanks for the reinforcement Poppy, a lot of my comments are not well received by some of the people on this forum. Not everyone has $500+ to spend on a pistol. I remember those days well.

Crow61
November 30, 2007, 10:55 AM
How about a S&W Sigma in .40 or 9mm. The Sigma is a very reliable gun that is a great value. It has the S&W lifetime warranty and is easy to conceal. It is very simple to operate; just like a DA revolver. Once you get used to the trigger you should be good to go.

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