XD or M&P in 40 cal.


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Roadwild17
November 30, 2007, 07:10 PM
Im getting a compact and a full size in one of these and was wondering what the general consensus was as to which would be a better buy. The XD is a bit cheaper around here, but 50 to 100 isnt a whole bunch as I'm probably going to get that much in mags. The only thing that bothers me about the XD is the .45 holds one more round than the .45.

Anyway I just wanted to hear from anyone who has both.

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rbernie
November 30, 2007, 09:09 PM
Had both. Only have M&Ps now.

The M&P is a lot lighter and slimmer and handles much better compared to the much blockier and top-heavy XD.

CZ 42
November 30, 2007, 09:17 PM
I personally don't trust S&W anymore. Colt's python is a better revolver than anything they have anyway. But the real issue with me is my uncle had a sigma and he could play russian roullette without fear it jammed so much. The XD is a eastern european design and is XDremely reliable. I'd suggest the 9mm over .40. The M&P is just another "interchangeable backstrap" gimmick. A well designed gun, like the 1911,doesn't need trash like that. The XD is a well designed gun, the M&P isn't.

wally
November 30, 2007, 09:21 PM
I like 'em both, but if buying before the end of the year the M&P $50 rebate and two free spare magazine offer from S&W really tips the scales in its favor.

--wally.

Autolycus
November 30, 2007, 09:43 PM
I would get an HK...

Hanzo581
November 30, 2007, 09:46 PM
XD, without a doubt.

ugaarguy
November 30, 2007, 10:01 PM
I personally don't trust S&W anymore. Colt's python is a better revolver than anything they have anyway.
What the heck do revolvers have to do with discussions of autoloaders? Not to mention that Colt doesn't make DA revolvers anymore, and Smith & Wesson offers a full line from J to X frames.
But the real issue with me is my uncle had a sigma and he could play russian roullette without fear it jammed so much.
Yes, early Sigmas were problematic. The enhanced "E" series Sigmas still have crappy triggers, but they're reliable, US made, and backed by a lifetime warranty. Beyond that, the M&P is an entirely different design and an entirely different pistol.
The M&P is just another "interchangeable backstrap" gimmick.
Interchangeable backstraps aren't a gimmick. They allow one gun to fit a large percentage of users. If they were gimmick you wouldn't see them specified in recent US Military RFIs & RFPs for pistols.
A well designed gun, like the 1911,doesn't need trash like that. The XD is a well designed gun, the M&P isn't.
What the heck does the M1911 have to do with a comparison of M&Ps and XDs? Plus, you obviously have NO experience with M&Ps, and very little with XDs. Both are fine guns, but the M&P has some advantages. One of the greatest advantages is that the M&P can be detailed stripped for service & maintenance using standard punches & hand tools. The XD requires specialized tools which are only available from Springfield Armory, and unless things have changed recently they'll only sell those tools to persons who've successfully completed a factory sponsored armorer's course. If you need a part for an XD you're dependent on Springfield Armory having it on hand or them being able to get it from IM Metal in Croatia. With the M&P your parts are available domestically from S&W, one of America's largest gun makers.

ugaarguy
November 30, 2007, 10:06 PM
I would get an HK...
The poll has two options - The M&P and the XD. The OP (Original Post) asked about two pistols - The M&P and the XD. Please enlighten us as to what HK offers which makes their pistols worth nearly twice the price of the two pistols specifically asked about.

The Lone Haranguer
November 30, 2007, 10:16 PM
I have shot a XD40 and a M&P 9mm full-size as rentals. I bought a M&P 9mm compact. I like the shorter trigger stroke and superior hand fit. The XD, while certainly by no means a bad gun, did not impress me either.

doc2rn
November 30, 2007, 11:26 PM
Buy a Sig

FieroCDSP
November 30, 2007, 11:52 PM
I've fired about 50 rounds through an XD9. While thats hardly enough to call intimate, it does give something of a feel for the gun. It was a straight shooter, functioned flawlessly, and isn't ugly like a Glock. But my big issue was the feel. It just wasn't right. My opinion, of course. I'll admit that. But it really felt like it had a high bore-axis, even though looking at it and the M&P, there's not a huge difference.

Maybe I'm biased towards the M&P now, but I love the way it shoots and feels. It's been flawless after the first 300 rounds. The trigger has smoothed out, and it needs little in the way of detailed service. I just detail-stripped and cleaned it a few weeks ago and it only set me back a few hours of time. Routine maintainance is quick and easy. It'll eat anything I feed it. Control is great, considering it's a 40. The bonus of Smith's service and "Made in USA" makes it better. Oh, and the rebate and free mags. Don't forget those. :D

ugaarguy
November 30, 2007, 11:59 PM
Buy a Sig
Again please expand upon your statement. Which model of currently available SIG has anything in common with the two pistols asked about in the OP? Like HKs, SIGs cost substantially more than either an XD or an M&P. What is gained in return?

armed85
December 1, 2007, 12:46 AM
ugaarguy has done a good job responding to CZ 42's "I don't trust Smith & Wesson anymore." comments, so I wont add much to that.

I have owned two of Smith & Wesson's M&Ps. The first a Compact .40 S&W and the second a full size 9mm.

I did not like the Compact because of the recoil of .40 S&W. The 9mm full size however is perfectly controllable and with a good holster such as the Comp-tac Infidel, I can conceal the full size 9mm just as well as I could the Compact.

Here are a few bugaboos I've noticed with my two M&Ps:

On the Compact, I had the magazine drop malfunction. This is a common problem; however, it seems to have been fixed at the factory. There are varying opinions on the Compact and the magazine drop malfunction, but I know from personal experience that after the factory fix my Compact performed flawlessly, so Smith & Wesson customer service did good by me.

FYI, Smith & Wesson uses a new magazine catch that is made of harder steel. In the older catch, the metal of the magazine was harder than the metal of the magazine catch. This caused wear to the point that the catch failed. Personally, I think the magazine release spring in my Compact has always been too light.

Interestingly, it takes noticeably more force to press the magazine release on my full size than it did on my Compact. I don't know if the full size has a heavier spring than the Compact, but it sure does feel like a heavier spring.

Another problem I have experienced on both of my M&Ps is that the frame tool is a pain in the butt to remove from the gun. It takes a lot of force to remove it.

The frame tool holds the back straps or grip panels in place and if you follow the manual to the letter, you're suppose to use the metal end of the frame tool to disconnect the sear (I use my finger). The frame tool is so hard to get out that I don't see myself ever using the thing as its intended to be used.

I had Smith & Wesson customer service mail me a new frame tool for both my Compact and full size because I've managed to scratch up the originals while trying to remove them from each gun. If the smooth bottom of the frame tool is scratched the rough texture rubs against my skin and I find this uncomfortable. Neither one of my frame tools would have been scratched up if they weren't such a pain in the butt to remove from the gun.

If you do have a problem with your M&P, Smith & Wesson's customer service is the best. I have many, many tools from some of the best tool companies. In power tools, I own or have owned Hitachi, Porter-Cable, Delta, Bosch, DeWalt, and others. Of all the tool companies I've dealt with, having a lifetime warranty is uncommon despite paying top dollar.

I own power tools that cost a whole lot more than my $450 Smith & Wesson M&P. Makita, Bosch, Hitachi, Delta, Porter-Cable, and DeWalt do not offer lifetime warranties despite charging top dollar. Unlike the Smith & Wesson M&P, very few power tools are made right here the good ol' United States of America.

Even though I did experience the magazine drop malfunction, Smith & Wesson took my $450 handgun, gave me a prepaid shipping label to ship the gun back to the factory, and upgraded the gun with tritium night sights. Smith & Wesson saved me $40 in overnight shipping and about $100 in night sights for my trouble.

You can get a lifetime warranty from Glock and Springfield Armory, but from me to you, I'm very happy with Smith & Wesson customer service.

The bottom line is I am very happy with my M&P. Whether or not you will prefer the M&P over the XD is up to you. Both have a different feel to them and you'll have to decide which you like more. I personally would feel just as safe defending my life with the M&P or XD.

I hope my reply is helpful to you.

DHart
December 1, 2007, 01:57 AM
The M&P has a great design, overall, but the mag catch is the fly in the ointment... the mag catch spring tends to be on the weak... and the mag release is simply too sensitive for a gun to be used as a defense/carry gun. On some of these M&P's practically looking at the mag catch button drops the mag enough to stop the gun from functioning... and for some shooters if they so much as allow any part of their hand to come in contact with the mag catch button during recoil, will cause a mag drop. Sorry... but this is a deal killer for me with a defense gun.

S&W: Stiffen the heck up on that mag catch spring, get a mag catch engagement surface that doesn't wear, reduce the thumb pad extension of the mag catch and you'll have a great shooting, great feeling, reliable gun.

S&W620
December 1, 2007, 02:19 AM
ugaarguy, with that type of thought why not just buy a hi point and call it a day? They both shoot bullets out of the dangerous end, right?

I've owned an M&P, a couple Glocks, shot an XD a few times. Now I own an HK. I had no HUGE issues with any of those weapons, in fact I like the Glocks a lot, but they are nowhere near an HK. Sigs? Never shot one, but from what I've heard, same situation as HK.

If these guns aren't worth the extra jack, why do folks continue to buy them?

jay15892
December 1, 2007, 02:45 AM
CZ 42 has noting better to do but bash S&W's all over this board. he needs to get a life. i have a M&P .45 and i love it...

ugaarguy
December 1, 2007, 02:58 AM
ugaarguy, with that type of thought why not just buy a hi point and call it a day? They both shoot bullets out of the dangerous end, right?
You're taking it way to far. I never said a SIG or HK didn't offer more than a Glock, XD, or M&P. The OP asked about two specific pistols. Two other folks gave one line responses recommending HK and SIG, respectively. Neither poster made any further comments to compare and contrast their recommendation against the two pistols specifically asked about. THR is amongst the premier firearms discussion internet forums. This forum reached that status by folks posting to share knowledge, not throw in one liners without any supporting statements. I'm just asking folks to add a little bit to the discussion. In this case I'm asking them to quantify what's gained for the higher price of these pistols the OP didn't even ask about.
I've owned an M&P, a couple Glocks, shot an XD a few times. Now I own an HK. I had no HUGE issues with any of those weapons, in fact I like the Glocks a lot, but they are nowhere near an HK.

Now, I'll ask you to expand on your statement as well. What about your HK has made it so far superior to a Glock or M&P. I understand much of it will be subjective, but that's what we're after. Please, share your experience & opinion and tell us what has made the HK so much better to you.
If these guns aren't worth the extra jack, why do folks continue to buy them?
The answer is that to most folks they aren't and they don't buy them. As nice as their pistols may be, HK has miniscule market share. SIG has been losing market share as well. Notice that even after a design upgrade the SigPro line has failed. SIG-Sauer has developed and is introducing the 250 Series (http://www.sauer-waffen.de/index.php?id=319&lang=en) pistols as a result. Part of the roll out is that SIG Arms is pricing these to compete directly with Glock and like striker fired poly frame guns.

possum
December 1, 2007, 01:55 PM
i take the xd over the m&p the maybe because i own two xd's and i am totally in love with em. the m&p's ergo's are nice but the xd fits me and my shooting style perfectly.

10-Ring
December 1, 2007, 10:19 PM
I prefer the fit & feel of the M&P plus the trigger feels more consistent & positive

kentucky_smith
December 1, 2007, 10:31 PM
FNP40. $400 and you get 3 hicap mags. :D

I didn't like the mag disconnect, the little thing you had to push down to put it back together and the trigger was a bit heavy.

XDs are nice enough but are Croatian, and flopped when first introduced. I haven't shot one, so have no real experience.

Roadwild17
December 2, 2007, 02:54 AM
After doing a little more looking around today, it looks like I'm going to end up in the M&P camp, but is the mag-drop on the compact still a problem? Is anyone making "beefier" springs for the mag release?

Another thing I dont really like about the compact is my pinky is bordering on/off the frame, it will roll off the frame and under the mag during recoil.

I just dont get why a full sized XD can only offer 12 rounds of .40 and 13 rounds of .45. Its just a small thing that keeps coming up in my mind.

nwilliams
December 2, 2007, 03:13 AM
Love my M&P40

I owned an XD a few years ago and it was a pretty decent gun, accurate, reliable and more comfortable in the hand then a Glock I think. I sold it however because I wanted something else and something had to go, honestly the only thing I didn't care for was the design of the gun, I never found it very attractive. Between the M&P and the XD I do like the way the M&P feels in the hand more than the XD and I like the low profile of the M&P. I did like having the backstrap safety on the XD however. I also think there is significantly less muzzle flip in my fullsize M&P40 than there was in my XD 40.

Oh and just a reminder since it seems a lot of people missed this point, there are two options, XD or M&P. Instead of arguing over which is better HK or Sig or whatever else, why not instead stay on the topic at hand, just a suggestion:uhoh:

Autolycus
December 2, 2007, 03:32 AM
Well what is gained in HK is a lightweight polymer gun designed around the .40 caliber. It is also able to have a variety of triggers. A DA/SA, a DAO, a lightened DAO, a DA/SA with a safety, and a SAO trigger. It is also more lefty friendly than most pistols. The HKs are known for their accuracy and reliability.

If you look at the P2000 you will find a gun that is very ergonomic, has good capacity, and is excellent for carry. The USP and USPc are also great.

Rexster
December 2, 2007, 03:33 AM
The M&P has not established a track record, and the XD hs a grip safety, is VERY complex to detail-strip. So, neither, but that was not a choice.

DHart
December 2, 2007, 05:23 AM
Roadwild... honestly, give the M&P another year, at least. It's a great feeling gun in the hand, but I truly don't believe it's quite ready for prime time. They're still working though mag drop issues and that just isn't something you want to have to worry or wonder about with a carry gun. Don't ask me how I know. Another year or so will, hopefully, get things sorted out for good.

The HK USP Compact with single action (cocked & locked) capability is a superb gun, but pricey. Small market share, minimal aftermarket support. Still a great gun, but...

Honestly, of everything out there (and I've owned or tried a lot of them) I have repeatedly returned to the Glock 23 as my standard bearer of a carry gun. It's compact, reliable as the sun, consistent trigger (I use a smooth faced trigger shoe and 3.5# connector which gives me a nice, short 4.75# pull with short reset) easy to pack and shoot, and holds 14 rounds of hot forty. 14 rounds of forty in a compact carry gun! That's a big deal to me. I'm a huge believer in high capacity these days.

Nothing out there compares to the Glock 23 at any price, in my opinion. It took me a long time to come around to accepting Glocks, now I'm a huge believer. Glock 23... given my strongest and heartiest "thumbs up" for all-around superb carry gun. Pop a 15 round mag in it when you're at home and it's a 16 round gun.... these days, I believe, higher(est) capacity is important to have! My M&P 40 Compact only holds 11 rounds. Besides the mag catch sensitivity, the low capacity is the other thing I don't like about the M&P. GLock 23, yep, time-tested, huge popularity, parts options galore, stone reliable, stone durable, aftermarket support that is unmatched, except by the 1911, highest capacity in class... what a truly superb carry gun!

mquaack
December 2, 2007, 08:10 AM
Just ordered one of these and should be in Tuesday for pickup. No safeties model.

1. Feels great in my hand. Compact, rugged, tested, accurate. All what I experienced.

2. Shoots like a dream match. Hardly no recoil at all. I have shot Glocks, XD, and other .40s but the M&P is the lightest recoil of them all and makes great followup shots.

3. Backed by S&W LIFETIME service warranty. S&W Customer Service is the best. IMHO.

4. $50.00 rebate and two free mags offer now.

I owned a Glock 27 for a while as an off duty weapon. I couldn't never get used to the grip on the 27. Glocks are great pistols though. I needed another off duty weapon so it seems the M&P fit the bill.

DHart
December 3, 2007, 05:24 AM
mquaack... I hope your M&P Compact 40 has a more secure mag catch than mine has had (after about 5 catch replacements and two trips back to S&W)... this part (the mag catch) is WAAAY sensitive (especially after shooting a few hundred rounds) on M&P's and the extra recoil oomph of .40 caliber, particularly in the Compact model, seems to be especially prone to undesired mag drops. Keep a really close eye on your mag catch engagement surface for wear and make sure your thumb doesn't get near the mag catch button while firing. M&P's feel great in the hand and are wonderful to shoot... but that mag catch is a bugaboo.

.357 magnum
December 3, 2007, 06:08 PM
I own two XD .45's, they are very good, Very reliable guns. Pretty darn accurate too. But then I bought an MP .40 and then an MP 9mm. Honestly, I did not beleive a .40 could feel that good and be that accurate.:D I have the full size in both calibers. I put the Hogue slip on grips on both guns and my grip could not be better! I actually have somewhere to put my pinky! The MP to me is the most ergonomic polymer gun period!:eek: In a word it is Awesome! I have not had one failure of any kind with the .40 or the 9mm. As soon as I can come up with some money and a trade, I am getting the MP .45 [I have been waiting too for Smith to come out with the 14 Rd mags, and my wife to get over my last gun buying spree] Buy a full size MP .40 no mag issues, no issues at all! Just a Great Gun!:)

http://www.gunblast.com/SW_MP.htm

http://www.gunblast.com/SW_MP9.htm

The Best to You and Yours!

Frank

XD-40 Shooter
December 3, 2007, 08:03 PM
I have an XD-40 and my opinion of it is.....I cannot believe that a .40 could feel so good and be so accurate.:D I love my XD, fits my hand like a glove, very accurate, tames the recoil, dead nuts reliable, its awesome.:D

Cloudpeak
December 3, 2007, 08:48 PM
I have a XD40SC and a M&P 9mm (full sisze). I prefer shooting the M&P. I like the trigger, grip and overall ergonomics of the M&P. Both guns have been very reliable.

A tip for removing the "tool" to make it easy to change grip inserts. With the mag out of the gun (and cartridge out of the chamber, needless to say), place the flat portion of the tool on a counter top or desk edge with the muzzle pointed down, press down on the pistol and rotate it 90 degrees one way or the other.

Cloudpeak

Super Trucker
December 3, 2007, 09:01 PM
The only thing that bothers me about the XD is the .45 holds one more round than the .45.

The .40 has a smaller grip, which is why the .45 holds an extra round.

I personally like the XD better.

Ala Dan
December 4, 2007, 03:29 AM
I own the 4" service model Springfield XD .45 ACP; and have never regretted
my choice of polymer frame firearms~! :cool: ;)

EOD Guy in VA
December 4, 2007, 04:11 AM
Have both. Both are fine pistols. For me the ergonomics of the M&P are much better. M&P has also been 100% reliable. The M&P compact even replaced my SIG P239-DAK as my small carry pistol which I thought nothing would ever do. Never shoot the XD any more and will put it on consignment this week.

Scorpiusdeus
December 4, 2007, 03:54 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, I'd go M&P. I own a XD 5" .40 S&W and I owned, for a heartbeat, and M&P. For reasons I'm still trying to figure, I sold the M&P to a buddy who REALLY loves it.

I've shot it twice now and...

1) Total tac driver. It hit dead center the first time I ever pulled the trigger.

2) Felt great in my hand

3) Very affordable.

I would love to say that I love my XD, but I just can't. I'm still working with it, but the trigger blows big time. It's not as accurate as I feel it should be.

Still, with a little work it may start to warm my heart, but it wasn;t love at first trigger pull like the M&P was.

DrDeFab
December 5, 2007, 09:07 AM
Ragsdale85 wrote: If you do have a problem with your M&P, Smith & Wesson's customer service is the best.... but from me to you, I'm very happy with Smith & Wesson customer service.

Wish I could say the same. Bought my M&P based partly on the customer service reputation, but on my first use of same, I would have to give them a 'C'.

They botched my rebate order by sending 10-round mags instead of 15s OK, mistakes happen. When I call them to get it corrected, the first thing I get is the lecture on "if you checked the wrong capacity, you're stuck with it" BEFORE he checks the shipping order to confirm it showed hi-caps. :scrutiny:

I then suggest that since a) they just sweetened the deal by $50, b) I'm out a fair amount time and gas to get it shipped back to them (which is true), and c) they don't need the hassle of processing the return (which is mostly a talking point ;)) they could just leave the Kali mags with me and send out the ones I ordered.

Then I get a brusque (wouldn't quite call it rude) lecture to the general effect of "we will meet the minimum contractual obligations by sending you a mailer - which was not initially offered, btw - but if you expect anything beyond that, you are sadly mistaken."

OK, by the standards of the cell-phone industry, among others, that's stellar support. ;) Not what I hoped for given the reviews seen here, though. :(

CZ, for one, was much more helpful, and courteous, when I talked to them.

DrDeFab
December 5, 2007, 09:50 AM
I have two XDs (9mm, 45ACP) and an M&P 40. Here are some notes on my experiences so far.

Both are a good choice, and I trust either as a carry weapon. Personally, I prefer either to Glock for ergonomic reasons. They both shoot better than I can, off-hand. All of mine have been extremely reliable so far, and will eat anything I feed them, though I have a lot more rounds through the XD 9 than the other two.

For me, trigger pull is a wash - none of them are what I would call crisp, but they are smooth and consistent. As for the actual trigger, I hate the hinged plastic on the M&P, and would immediatly swap it for a steel aftermarket part with a blade-type insert like the XD, if such a thing were available.

I have a slight preference for the M&P grip, and like the replaceable backstrap. If they every come out with one halfway between medium and large, I'll buy it, but the medium works just fine.

I have detail-stripped my XD 9, but not the others. From reading though the M&P procedure, it looks to be simpler to work on.

My gut feel on long-term durability is that the XD would win, but have no evidence to back it up. For example, the small size of the M&P rails makes me wonder how they would do in a sandy environment with minimal cleaning; but I do NOT plan to test it...

My XD 9 is an early model, with the rust-through-the-finish problem. Easy enough to keep under control, but since I already have a Dura-Coat setup, I refinished it myself to a Dark Earth slide on a black grip. Hey, I had it on hand. :D The 45 does not have any hint of a finish problem.

Again, just my $0.02

ZeSpectre
December 5, 2007, 10:24 AM
Wow, that's a toughie and I'd hate to be making that decision myself!
I've shot the XD quite a bit and the M&P a little bit. for what little it's worth, I'd say I favor the XD by a tiny little margin.

kcevans
December 9, 2007, 03:58 PM
CZ 42, you must have very little experience with either pistol. I have an ideal, why don't you go to S&W and show them all of the weaknesses and design flaws with the M&P, since they have no ideal how to design or build a firearm. Both are fine pistols, get a clue.

Maximum1
December 9, 2007, 08:16 PM
I own an XD and its truly an awesome firearm although I also like the M&P (it was my second choice).

Maximum1
December 9, 2007, 08:22 PM
BTW, after completing your research I recommend you go to the dealer (or a local gun show) then ask the vendor to place each one in your hand WITHOUT TELLING YOU which one he placed in your hand (no peeking :-) then have him record your comment, sweet, it's ok, etc.

In the end, it's all about how the firearm fits in YOUR hand.

Geno
December 9, 2007, 08:28 PM
DHart:

I'll see your G23 and raise you a "C". Make mine a G23C. :eek: Ooooooo...v-flames!!!!!

Geno

Constantine-p89
December 9, 2007, 08:30 PM
Xd 40

massglockman
December 9, 2007, 09:31 PM
well i have heard alot of good talk bout the xd they are awesome but here in mass i cant get one without a favor from a cop but i have a 9mm m&p full size and have the m&p 40c and in love with both the 40 is just a hare snappy but once u get used to it its very nice made love the fish scales in the rear but like u heard buy what your comfortable with what ever it is they both are good. See if you can shoot both then go from there.

R12GS
December 10, 2007, 05:36 AM
In .40S&W go M&P. I had an XD in .40 and it flipped like a sunuvagun.

deltacharlie
December 10, 2007, 07:46 AM
XD, cheap, easy to take care of and they've been around a little while longer. They have numerous aftermarket accessories and options. Plus, to me, the XD just feels better in my hand, ymmv.

M&P still working out the bugs, but S&W are working hard to catch up. Looks like after years of following other manufacturers leads and copying what's on the market, they finally found a design that works.

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