Hard chrome AK-47?


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cnorman18
December 1, 2007, 04:38 PM
Classic Arms has a hard-chromed AK-47 for sale, a Yugo M70 B2 underfolder. It's about $90 more than the unchromed model.


My question is, aside from appearance, is the hard chrome a good idea? Does it percent rust, increase durability, or what? If it just makes the gun look cool, I'm not interested; but if it has some practical value, I might be.

Since no one makes a stainless AK, this looks like it might be the next best thing. Any opinions?

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rcmodel
December 1, 2007, 04:50 PM
Whether or not it makes the gun look cool is very subject to debate.

In my circle of friends, I would get laughed off the range with a chrome plated AK-47!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

jpwilly
December 1, 2007, 05:03 PM
If I had to get it i'd paint it black!

Hoppy590
December 1, 2007, 05:04 PM
i believe hard chrome is more resiliant to corrosion and rust than regular blued or park'd steel. but i dont know how much if at all it is than SS.


that said. id buy it only as a presentation piece. got a friend, son or nephew fought in Iraq, Afghanistan or any conflict since about 1956. (from 47-56 the AK was kept secret. and after Budhapest began to be seen in the hands of Com Bloc nations.)

that said, it might make a nice "thank you for your service" gift. also the Yugos are one of the better AK's available right now

RockyMtnTactical
December 1, 2007, 05:17 PM
Is hard chrome a better finish than blued steel? Undoubtedly.

It's kind of gaudy... but I would take one.

Halo is for Kids
December 1, 2007, 05:47 PM
Any opinions?

4fun.

from http://www.classicarms.us/
http://www.classicarms.us/romakch.JPG
http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20057.jpg
http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20058.jpg
http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20059.jpg

Curare
December 1, 2007, 05:48 PM
Hard chrome is one of the best firearm finishes. I've considered a hard chromed P7M8 with a flat black Gun Kote top coat. Gun Kote would improve upon the corrosion resistance of the HC, while HC offers an incredibly hard surface treatment that bake on finishes lack.

Shipwreck
December 1, 2007, 06:47 PM
Never seen a hard chromed AK before ( I have several hard chromed slides on handguns)

Putting a polymer coating OVER hard chrome is crazy? The coating will end up wearing off over time - with just holster wear - whereas if U hard chromed the gun to begin with - its almost holster wear proof.

If ya want the best corrosion protection - do NP3 - not as wear resistant - but the best corrosion proof treatment U could get.

MyRoad
December 1, 2007, 06:53 PM
And then there is the tactical advantage of being able to redirect sunlight off of the side flats into the eyes of the enemy, temporarily blinding them as you charge into battle...

(yes, that's a joke)

If they are completely hard chromed, I would guess that would make them good candidates for long term storage, for instance if you were planning on "buying one while you can" and then sticking it in the attic for future generations...

(that's not necessarily a joke, but maybe just a bad idea)

NASCAR_MAN
December 1, 2007, 07:27 PM
cnorman18,

A Hard-chrome AK-47 makes no sense to me from a hunting or self-defense point of view. But....if I saw one, then I would buy it in about 8 nanoseconds!

Nice Rifle!

NASCAR

Wolfgang2000
December 1, 2007, 07:51 PM
I agree with Curare. Hard chrome is one of the best wearing finishes on the market. In the early 80's I had my working 870 refinished with what was then called electro-less nickle. This was long before the "marine" gun came out. It's one of the best wearing finishes I've ever had. Anyone that has ever carried a gun on duty 24 7 knows they take a beating. It was my constant companion from 82 till about 95. After that I rode a desk but it was still in my trunk. It is still doing good.

The question is should you get a hard chromed AK? My first impression is yes. Yes it will shine, some. But that can be addressed. LEO's carry stainless guns all the time. They don't shine that much. The durability of the finish is great.

dfariswheel
December 1, 2007, 08:36 PM
Hard chrome doesn't HAVE to be bright and shiny.
The original hard chrome as first offered to the public is a satin pearl-Gray in color that reflects LESS light than a blued gun.

In appearance, it's a flat gray color.

Acheron
December 1, 2007, 11:09 PM
Hard chrome is a good finish and I personally like the looks of them. Classic Arms also has a few hard chrome M44s. I might get one of those in the future. If you guys don't want 'em thats fine, means more for me! :D

Snapping Twig
December 2, 2007, 02:17 AM
Here's an example of a formerly blued gun hard chromed.

This is the satin finish version.

http://http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/SnappingTwig1/P8150002-1.jpg

tyesai
December 2, 2007, 03:48 AM
I've wanted one of those for awhile, the problem is is that I'm in Turkey for the next two, maybe three years. I've thought about making my brother in Kentucky buy one and put it in the gunsafe.

1 old 0311
December 2, 2007, 10:56 AM
Yes it is durable. Yes I want one.:) I buy what I want, not what my friends approve of.

plexreticle
December 2, 2007, 11:08 AM
I like it

MrTwigg
December 2, 2007, 11:10 AM
Classic Arms - Those guys'll chrome anything ! Sometimes they look good, others, well... :uhoh:

Snapping Twig, What kinda Smith is that ? That's nice !

Caipirinha
December 2, 2007, 11:35 AM
Would this solve the issue of the Yugo's non-chrome-lined barrels?

The Deer Hunter
December 2, 2007, 11:47 AM
You have to be sure whoever chromed it did it right. I read here somewhere not too long ago that if it just chromed like a car bumper (well, like they used to...) it wont be able to stand up to the rigors of shooting (shock from shooting, heavy duty solvents etc...). I'm just repeating what I heard, though.

rocinante
December 2, 2007, 12:29 PM
hard chrome is not the same as chrome like on a car bumper. It was first used in industrial tools to give them an incredibly tough finish. I had a Walther P1 hard chromed and it has a dull sheen like the S&W above. At first I was disappointed because it almost looked plastic but a little chrome polish added just enough shine to make it attractive IMHO.

SigfanUSAF
December 2, 2007, 12:29 PM
It's a plating shop that shares the building with Classic. They seem to do good work, and are a good bunch of guys.

You have to be sure whoever chromed it did it right

SDC
December 2, 2007, 12:38 PM
It's pimpalicious, but no more so than one of those gold-coloured Desert Eagles; if you want it, buy it and enjoy it.

paintballdude902
December 2, 2007, 12:45 PM
i believe hard chrome is more resiliant to corrosion and rust than regular blued or park'd steel. but i dont know how much if at all it is than SS.
that said. id buy it only as a presentation piece. got a friend, son or nephew fought in Iraq, Afghanistan or any conflict since about 1956. (from 47-56 the AK was kept secret. and after Budhapest began to be seen in the hands of Com Bloc nations.)
that said, it might make a nice "thank you for your service" gift. also the Yugos are one of the better AK's available right now


my dad is a vietnam vet and did serveal trips back and fourth until around 75-76

on once trip the guy he was working with was given a gold plated ak and my dad was given a rolex

but since the war was officially over these "political gifts" had to turned into the govt.

he told me that the base he was stationed at had glass display cases filled with rolexs, and other political gifts along with a single one gold plated ak (humm i wonder where that came from )

Shipwreck
December 2, 2007, 03:08 PM
Here are my hard chromies too:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/P99-11-3.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/P99c-11-2.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/chromer6.jpg

LeibstandarteAdH
December 2, 2007, 03:46 PM
Real hard chome like classic is selling them is a very good performing bearing surface for both the internal small parts durability and the external finish. Much unlike the Nickel plated crap WASR's century has, (that wears off when the gun is first fired on all the bearing surfaces) dont get the two mixed up.

About the shine, you could always have it bead blasted with a polymer bead media to get the desired non glaring finish.

Ratfood
December 2, 2007, 10:59 PM
Wifey saw those chrome pictures from Classic Arms and really liked them. I'm getting her one and putting plum furniture on it for her birthday.

blackhawk2000
December 2, 2007, 11:31 PM
Look closely at those pics. The AK isn't really well known for its nice finished metal. It seems to me the tooling marks stick out big time. Now if you got one, and smoothed everything out, and then got it plated, it would look much better.

PAC 762
December 2, 2007, 11:37 PM
The AK isn't really well known for its nice finished metal. It seems to me the tooling marks stick out big time.

Yugo's don't have much, if any, tooling marks. Not all AK's were made like WASR's.

loosehorse
December 3, 2007, 12:30 AM
I agree with SDC it looks like a pimp gun to me...i'd take one!

blackhawk2000
December 3, 2007, 12:35 AM
http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20059.jpg

It's not WASR quality, but I still see tool marks.

Eightball
December 3, 2007, 02:28 AM
Eh, I'd buy it just for the novelty aspect of it.

Sir Aardvark
December 3, 2007, 02:35 AM
Hard Chrome is about the toughest finish you could get. That is why the inside of chambers and barrels are hard-chromed - they last a long, long time!

You could bury your chromed AK in the backyard for a month and then wash it off with the garden hose and it would still be perfect as the day you buried it.

collateral
December 3, 2007, 02:45 AM
I dont think I could ever fire a hard-chromed AK. It would however, spend a lot of time as a display piece in my house haha.

chris in va
December 3, 2007, 04:16 AM
Certainly a conversation piece. Gonna be popular at the range just for the bling factor.

MD_Willington
December 3, 2007, 02:02 PM
I'll take one, it'll look awesome under the Christmas tree !

RockyMtnTactical
December 3, 2007, 02:57 PM
I'll take one, it'll look awesome under the Christmas tree !

You could decorate your Christmas tree with those... :)

MD_Willington
December 3, 2007, 07:11 PM
Yeah, problem with that though, I'll have to bribe the kids with all the candy canes to stay away from it!

Halo is for Kids
December 3, 2007, 08:35 PM
I'd buy one to take to the range on every trip, then on the day when some guy shows up with his hard chrome DE50, the AK would make it's debut.:neener:

buck00
December 3, 2007, 10:15 PM
Chrome on an AK is tacky and in very poor taste. Yes, it ultimately will come down to "whatever floats your boat..." but then again, you are also free to lower your car, put chrome rims on it, and wear baggy pants. You'll look ridiculous of course, but as long as you like it. :rolleyes:

W.E.G.
December 3, 2007, 10:26 PM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/cooldude.gif http://www.classicarms.us/crletter%20057.jpg

LeibstandarteAdH
December 4, 2007, 12:36 PM
um....
maybe i should say

in before the lock?

Snapping Twig
December 4, 2007, 02:19 PM
Mr. Twigg, thanks for the kind words.

That's a Model 29 Classic Hunter, one of 2000 from the second run. The first run was 5000.

Knuckle head that I am, I had a collector's piece hard chromed, but I use it for hunting and back then, who knew these things would get collector's status?

I also ported it and had a ball bearing detente installed on the crane. This in addition to 11 degree bevel for the forcing cone (I shoot lead) and muzzel crown - all done by Larry Kelley of Mag-Na-Port.

cnorman18
December 4, 2007, 03:58 PM
"That's a Model 29 Classic Hunter, one of 2000 from the second run. The first run was 5000.Knuckle head that I am, I had a collector's piece hard chromed, but I use it for hunting and back then, who knew these things would get collector's status?I also ported it and had a ball bearing detente installed on the crane. This in addition to 11 degree bevel for the forcing cone (I shoot lead) and muzzel crown - all done by Larry Kelley of Mag-Na-Port."


I still want my AK, but I am HUGELY envious. That's the closest thing to the perfect hunting pistol that I've ever seen or heard of.

Congratulations, you lucky--

Well, never mind. Nice piece.

Halo is for Kids
December 4, 2007, 04:19 PM
um....
maybe i should say

in before the lock?
Sounds about right.

PAC 762
December 4, 2007, 08:23 PM
It's not WASR quality, but I still see tool marks.

Touche'.

My "pimp" AK is a Romy "G" build. I used Gold epoxy paint to finish. It fills in those tool marks really well.

WaltonS
December 6, 2007, 12:42 PM
I'm sorry, but it looks like a toy to me. The AK, at least. The Smith posted later looks very nice, though.

Wayne G.
December 6, 2007, 12:47 PM
Yeah, what W.E.G. said!

PIMP MY AK!!!

still laughing!

Wayne G.
December 6, 2007, 12:48 PM
Pimp my Thread Lock!

gunNoob
December 6, 2007, 12:56 PM
hard chrome looks awesome

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