Took the plunge: Ruger SR9!


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nwilliams
December 1, 2007, 08:41 PM
Well I couldn't resist and today at the Crossroads gunshow in Phoenix I picked up a Ruger SR9.

I took two guns with me to the show to sell and sold them both within a half hour and so I went hunting for something to bring back home with me. I walked through all the buildings several times and couldn't find anything that really peaked my interest. Then I stumbled upon a table where I found this little beauty priced at $389 brand new. So I decided what the heck I'm bound to buy one eventually anyway.

I'll shoot it tomorrow and see how she performs. I'm hoping the trigger will smooth out a little over time like my M&P one did. Still I love the way the gun feels in the hand and I love the look of it. Anyway here are some pics, I'll add a range report to this thread when I get the chance.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-3.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-1.jpg
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-2.jpg

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mekender
December 1, 2007, 08:46 PM
for sure, let us know how it shoots... im looking at this one myself as well

19-3Ben
December 1, 2007, 08:56 PM
Good buy!! that seems to be the cheapest I've heard of so far.

I too like the look of the gun, and love it on paper.

The Lone Haranguer
December 1, 2007, 08:57 PM
... and today at the Crossroads gunshow in Phoenix I picked up a Ruger SR9.

Congrats. You might have bumped into me. :) I spent the afternoon there.

Awaiting the range report. ;)

JP from Phoenix
December 1, 2007, 09:29 PM
wow thats a nice deal, wheres that gun show at? i saw an ad on tv but didnt catch the location maybe i can hit it up tomorrow and find myself a new piece. Props on the SR-9 i think its a very sweet gun based offa looks and feel alone, cant wait to hear the range report

fletcher
December 1, 2007, 10:02 PM
Can't wait to hear your report, I'm highly interested in how these perform.

nwilliams
December 1, 2007, 10:04 PM
wheres that gun show at?
Its at the State Fairgrounds, its worth going to if you get the chance. There's actually quite a few good deals there if look hard enough. Make sure you get there early its a very large show I got there at 11 and browsed until 4, hundreds of tables spread across four buildings and a large tent area.

Just so you know its very expensive to get into it, at least I thought it was, $7 for parking and $15 admission fee.

The Lone Haranguer
December 2, 2007, 12:07 AM
Just so you know its very expensive to get into it, at least I thought it was, $7 for parking and $15 admission fee.
Yes, Crossroads of the West (the gun show promoter) and the state saw us coming. ;)

I got a little wristband that will let me back in tomorrow, but that doesn't take care of the parking. :rolleyes:

JP from Phoenix
December 2, 2007, 12:19 AM
well IDK if i wanna go cuz i'll end up buying something and saying sorry family christmas came early for me and yall aint getting no presants, haha. I've been on the hunt for my first 1911 for a few months now

nice deal on the SR-9 though cheapest i seen them in a shop was like 460 bucks which i thought wasnt that bad

nwilliams
December 2, 2007, 12:35 AM
es, Crossroads of the West (the gun show promoter) and the state saw us coming.

I got a little wristband that will let me back in tomorrow, but that doesn't take care of the parking.

If it wasn't a three hour round trip for me I'd go back tomorrow but with gas prices the way they are its not worth it, plus I don't have any more guns I want to sell and that was really my main reason for going in the first place, coming home with this SR9 was just a bonus:D

Hokkmike
December 2, 2007, 09:29 AM
Good price. I hope it works out well for you.

Geno
December 2, 2007, 09:33 AM
It's a good-looking pistol. What caught my eye was the 17-round magazine. It makes me ponder who is at the wheel at Ruger. Bill was purported to have believed that people didn't need more than 10 rounds. I am glad to see that corner turned.

armoredman
December 2, 2007, 09:50 AM
Would love to go, 100 mile round trip at $3.06 a gallon of gas. Really want to see an SR9 up close sometime.

atblis
December 2, 2007, 10:32 AM
$7 for parking and $15 admission fee.
Holy crap that's expensive. Around here it's $7, and that's enough to convince me not to go usually.

bannockburn
December 2, 2007, 01:23 PM
nwilliams

I handled one at a gun show a couple of months ago. Very impressed by the the extremely slim grip frame, within the context of having a 17 round magazine. The only downside with the design that I could see, was in the thumb safety. For me, it was too small and a little too far rearward on the frame to be able to engage/disengage it properly. Let us know how the ergonomics are to you, and of course, how the range session goes.

ernunnos
December 2, 2007, 02:13 PM
Two weeks ago I was sighting in my hunting rifle, and the guy at the table next to me was cursing his SR9. I asked him about it, 'cause I'd really liked the feel of the one I'd handled in the gun store. Very slim, 17 round capacity, I like Ruger's revolvers, and I was hoping they'd finally gotten the hang of semi-autos. Nope. He let me put a mag through it. The trigger is significantly worse than a Glock, and accuracy is vague at best. Seems reliable enough, but then Ruger's problem has never been reliability. Another friend of mine recently purchased a S&W M&P, and it was plenty accurate, so Ruger really has no excuse. Even if you don't like Glocks - and I do - there are better options.

Blarelli
December 2, 2007, 04:44 PM
The SR9's are going for $350 around here. It seems like they are having problems selling them.

nwilliams
December 2, 2007, 10:08 PM
Well I promised you all a report so let me give you one! Pics will be attached to a following post.

Today I took a defensive pistol class with my favorite firearms training outfit and I decided to use the untested SR9 and bring another gun as a backup just in case the SR9 didn't work out. Well I didn't have to switch out pistols and I had no desire to at any point!

Now let me clear one thing up for the record, the SR9 does not have as bad a trigger as everyone says it does, at least not in my opinion;). Actually after my first hundred rounds through it I found that I really liked the trigger in fact. My instructor Matt Seibert also gave the gun a try and his response was "that trigger isn't bad at all, I could get used to that real fast!" Anyone who is familiar with Matt Seibert knows that if he says the trigger isn't bad you take his word for it. I think I was out lead into a false sense of believing that this gun had a bad trigger. Even dry firing it now I don't think its as bad as I initially though it was, its certainly not the best thing out there but its not horrible. If you don't believe me then shoot one first and decide for yourself. Once I got the feel of the tigger I was putting just about every shot where I wanted it and was making one hole groups at various distances.

The safety is also not that bad either, I was drawing from the holster and as the gun came up had no problem pushing down the safety switch with the side of my right thumb (I'm right handed). However I did find it difficult to put the safety back up when I went to re-holster. Still I found an easy solution to this, I used my right thumb to take the safety off and my left thumb to put it back on. As long as you're maintaining a two handed grip while engaging or disengaging the safety its pretty easy to manipulate.

One thing I really love about this gun is the ambi mag release! It makes it so much easier to do an administrative reload from the holster. Some guns and holsters just don't allow you to release the mag easily when holstered because the mag release is on the left side. Being able to release the mag from either side of the gun is wonderful option to have.

As for the sights I really had no issues with them, the rear sight is adjustable but mine didn't require any adjustment. My only complaint is that I wish it had night sights. (see pic 1)

Some of the other features I really liked was the loaded chamber indicator that actually sticks up quite a bit on the top of the gun (see pic 2) which allows you to not only see clearly that the gun is loaded but also touch it and feel that it is without having to look. A nice feature to have if you're in public and want to double check if the gun is chambered without exposing the gun to look at it. I also liked the reversible back-strap on the gun, the gun came with the flat side facing out, but I have big hands so I flipped it around and put it curved side out (see pic 3). Both ways are pretty comfortable and I do want to shoot it with flat side exposed at some point just to make sure I wouldn't like it batter that way. You can see on the first pics I posted above the backstrap is turned to the flat side so you can see the difference.

The final thing I am very impressed with about this gun is how slim it is, for a gun that holds 17rds its pretty amazing. Its comparable in width to my BHP but shorter, its also shorter than my fullsize M&P and 1911. In my opinion this gun is a great size for concealed carry, especially for a fullsize gun.(see pic 4)

It is true that its just another striker fire plastic frame gun and of course any newcomer to the market is going to have work hard to compete with the popularity of Glocks and XD's. In my mind what attracts me to this gun over a lot of the other guns like it out there, including my M&P is several facts. One, its a Ruger so you know you're getting a solid, reliable gun from a company that truly stands behind whatever they manufacture. Second, even though it looks like just another poly gun it really feels different than of the others I've handled or owned. Thirdly, Having owned Ruger pistols in the past I've always been impressed with the quality and ruggedness of their pistols. I think the SR9 shares those same characteristics, it feels very solid far more so than my M&P. Finally, I think the price will set it apart from many of the other options, for under $400 you're getting a solid, attractive, striker fire pistol made by Ruger, I can't really complain about that! My prediction is that this gun will become more popular over time, its still pretty new to the market, give it time I think it will catch on.

My advice.....buy one or at least try and shoot one I think you may be pleasantly surprised!:D

nwilliams
December 2, 2007, 10:12 PM
Pic 1
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-5.jpg

Pic 2
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-6.jpg

Pic 3
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-4.jpg

Pic 4 - In case it isn't obvious...from left to right: BHP, SR9, M&P40, Colt 1911
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/SR9-7.jpg

Quoheleth
December 2, 2007, 10:31 PM
The SR9's are going for $350 around here. It seems like they are having problems selling them.

PLEASE tell me where this is...give me a name...a store...a shop...please!

Only one I've seen around here is over $575.

Q

Blarelli
December 2, 2007, 11:16 PM
PLEASE tell me where this is...give me a name...a store...a shop...please!

Only one I've seen around here is over $575.

Q

Van Wagenen Finance in Orem, Utah. I saw two at that price last week.

George Hill
December 3, 2007, 01:28 AM
Looks like a S&W M&P shagged a Taurus 24/7.

grimjaw
December 3, 2007, 03:03 AM
nwilliams, thanks for that comparison pic between the four pistols, very useful.

jm

bannockburn
December 3, 2007, 06:14 AM
nwilliams

Thank you for the thorough report. I'm still a little concerned about the safety, as I have rather small hands, and it actually required me to shift my grip to reach it. I think I would still like to see a redesigned safety, at least offered as an option. Other than that, nice field report.

Ala Dan
December 3, 2007, 07:18 AM
$350, heck even $389 are fantastic prices for this gun NIB~! :cool:

Wes Janson
December 3, 2007, 10:29 AM
My biggest problem with the pistol is the spacing between the slide and safety. Too easy to pinch yourself when racking the slide. I did it myself twice when first handling it, and watched someone else draw blood the first time they picked it up.

DPris
December 3, 2007, 11:41 AM
The thumb safety IS poorly done.
I've got Cylinder & Slide looking into what they might be able to do with it.
Denis

REPOMAN
December 3, 2007, 12:08 PM
Thanks a bunch.... relieved a little of my curiousity....:)

2TransAms
December 3, 2007, 12:25 PM
Good range report. I'd like to shoot one myself and see how I like it. Even my wife has expressed *very* mild interest,so hey,that's enough reason to buy one right?

Out of the new crop of polymer pistols,I'm really liking the SR9 the best. I'm not too sure about the thumb safety though,it looks like they just put it wherever it would fit. But,to me anyway,it's better than no thumb safety,like Glock.

(Please don't tell me that I'm the safety. I know. I own Glocks and like them. Thumb safeties just make me happy.:))

19-3Ben
December 3, 2007, 12:38 PM
I'm not sure why everybody gets hung up on the position of the thumb-safety. I plan to get an SR9, and I'll carry it with the safety off. That way the operation is same as any other pistol like a Glock or whatever. Don't pull the trigger if you don't want it to shoot. And when you draw to shoot, all you have to do is pull the trigger (just like my revolvers and my Sig). No safety needed. I fully intend to ignore the safety just like I would ignore the lock on a new S&W revolver.

RPCVYemen
December 3, 2007, 01:02 PM
Having owned Ruger pistols in the past I've always been impressed with the quality and ruggedness of their pistols. I think the SR9 shares those same characteristics, it feels very solid far more so than my M&P. Finally, I think the price will set it apart from many of the other options, for under $400 you're getting a solid, attractive, striker fire pistol made by Ruger,...

Yeah, after reading about them, playing with one in a shop, that was my take. Ruger generally makes extremely competent pistols for the market they are trying to hit. Their autoloaders in general have had a reputation of being more solid than lithe. But they weren't aimed at seducing people away from the 1911 market. :)

Ruger autoloaders were (and maybe are, I don't know) very popular with police agencies. Why? Low in price, reliable as all get out, and as accurate as they needed to be for that market.

Ruger obviously needed a striker fired polymer to compete for contracts in some of those markets. What do I expect? That Ruger will build an autolaoder that is low in price, reliable as all get out, and as accurate at they need to be for that market.

I suspect the people who pick the SR9 for practical CCW reasons will be extremely happy with it. People who want a "bragging" pistol will get something else. Ruger centerfire autos aren't made for bragging rights - purely a function/cost tradeoff.

The one I held fit my hand very well. It seemed like an entirely competent pistol. I bought an AR-24 because I liked the heft of the steel frame - but I was buying a range gun, not a carry weapon. If I was interested in a pistol for CCW, I would have picked up the SR9. For people who are interested in carrying, it looks a slim light 9mm with a decent capacity. I'd call it a winner.

Mike

skywarp_
December 3, 2007, 01:55 PM
I'm not impressed.

Trigger- Long, uncomfortable, and gritty.

Frame - Long but comfy

Safety - Useless if you choose to use it

Mag release - Ambi, and like an XD but not as easy to operate.

Price - Good but too close to an XD to make it worth it.


As far as popularity with LEAs. I've yet to see one on a LEO or talked to an officer who said they were issued Ruger autos.

DPris
December 3, 2007, 02:26 PM
Ben,
The thing with the safety is that it's too small, has sharpish corners, and is located awkwardly.
Size matters to me because I view it from the orientation of a retired cop. Drawing the pistol in a hurry, under stress, with maybe a less than ideal grip, in the rain or with sweaty hands, with most of your concentration on somebody who's trying to kill you or somebody near you, possibly while wrestling, it's a whole different situation than sitting calmly at a range table & popping away at paper. I need a BIG & easily wiped off safety lever, if it's there at all.
I found the corners too sharp, in conjunction with the shaving edges on the slide serrations. Pinched & gouged my hand in working the slide.
Located too high, in conjunction with the above features, and gets in the way on working the slide.

Just don't use the safety?
Again, from the viewpoint of a career cop very familiar with Murphy & his Law, if there's a safety on the pistol, I need it to be structured such that it can be instantly and positively confirmed to be OFF! Safety levers get knocked around, and they don't always end up where you leave 'em. A good holster can go a long way in covering an external safety lever to prevent it getting off-safed (or on-safed), but I need to be able to instantly get the pistol up, out, and ready to go. With a 1911 and a high thumbs hold, I guarantee the lever's down no matter where it started out when it came into my hand. If I were going to carry the SR9, I'd need the same situation, and the dinky little lever just doesn't make it for me. Yes, I know it's harder to put ON than to take OFF safe, but....see above. :)
I carried a nice little S&W 4516 on & off duty years ago, liked the pistol's size & power. One day at a training session with my department, the slide-mounted safety got itself activated. Since I didn't normally carry the pistol with the safety on, and it was awkwardly located up on the slide, I didn't have any routine in place to automatically ensure the safety was OFF when it came time to fire the thing. Dropped some time in figuring out what was wrong (tap, rack, bang don't fix that problem), so not a big deal at the range, but could have been on the street.
I retired that Smith as soon as I could get qualified with another maker's pistol that did not have that safety setup.

It's an individual situation, and isn't necessarily an issue for a range toy. For me it is, and that's why I'm having C&S look into modifying the SR9's lever. :)

Denis

nwilliams
December 3, 2007, 03:06 PM
Like I said I was using this gun all day in a defensive pistol class working from the holster and drawing from concealment. I had no issue pushing the safety switch down very quickly and smoothly just as the gun left the holster and started to rotate forward. I didn't find it any less easy than removing the safety from my BHP or 1911. Putting the safety back on was a little bit more difficult but in a life or death situation I'm more concerned with getting the safety off in a hurry. Also my instructor who was an ex-cop had no problem doing it either and he's the one who actually suggested to me that I remove the safety with my right thumb and restore the safety with the left.

I will also say that one of the things I really like about the safety on the SR9 is how strong it is, when its up it clicks up very positively and when its down it stays down, there is no in between. This could be one of the reasons besides placement that makes the safety difficult to disengage, you really have to push down or up firmly to get the safety on and off.

To each his own, I understand where you are coming from and it was a big concern for me as well until I started practicing with it and realized its not as big a deal as I was making it out to be. Still the safety is the one thing about the gun that I would like to see modified, an extended thumb rest would improve the overall feel dramatically. If they ever provide one as a replacement part for this gun I would certainly go for it.

DPris
December 3, 2007, 04:14 PM
N,
Typically, in a training class, when you're THINKING about the process as you go along, and your attention's more likely to be on what you're doing than what the target's doing, it's not as critical.

As a former firearms instructor, and one exposed to Ayoob, Farnum, Tueller, and Taylor, along with a number of years in uniform, I can categorically state that once the stress of handling a "target" that may be trying to kill you with knife, club, or gun hits, your attention will not be on the draw & presentation process. Much goes to spit under those circumstances.

Yes, training and ingrained motor responses will carry through where conscious thought does not, but, those are large muscle movements, and fine motor skills deteriorate rapidly.

In a high stress encounter, your brain will be attempting to process incoming information streams, and tachy/psyche effects will kick in. You will not be concentrating on making sure that little safety really did get wiped off as your thumb went on by. You will not put conscious thought into making sure you put enough pressure on it to positively disengage. The pattern will most likely be there (with no guarantee even then), and the relatively large-muscle-movement of swiping your thumb down over the lever will most likely happen, but with the size of that safety lever, it's very easy to just slip right on over it without deactivating it completely. (Ruger, incidentally, warns in the manual about not leaving the safety half on or half off. They may have some concerns about that lever to cause the caution to be there.)
The part of your brain that controls the thumb response will most likely (there are no absolutes) do its job, but the conscious part that emphasizes making sure the lever actually went down at the range, won't engage in a hyper-active threatening situation.

This has even been known to happen with 1911 users, in forgetting (lack of repetitious practice) to hit the safety, or in not engaging a smaller lever completely, under stress.
We teach certain principles (secure but accessible holster, simple to bring into action handgun, visible sights, usable trigger pull, etc.), and borrowing from the 1911 platform, one that I find important is that a defensive pistol should have certain attributes, among which are prominent & easily accessible controls.

The SR9's not a bad pistol, it can just be a better pistol.
Not, incidentally, the only pistol in the world I say that about in factory form. :)

If the stock safety works for you, great! :D

Denis

nwilliams
December 3, 2007, 06:11 PM
I agree with you completely don't get me wrong.

In fact I'm one who doesn't like manual safeties on my carry guns to begin with and even though the SR9 has one it doesn't mean I'll be using it;)

My instructor yesterday is top notch and I have a lot of respect for him and he insisted that I train manipulating the safety for the class. However I carried the gun all day today with the safety off and wasn't worried. Like when I carry my 1911 I only rely on the backstrap I never use the manual safety and I refuse to carry my BHP because the only safety is the one on the side of the frame and I don't want to carry with it up.

I couldn't agree more that in a high stress situation the last thing you want is to forget to disengage the safety switch:banghead: Its funny some people don't like carrying Glocks and the like because there is no manual safety on them, but I'm just the opposite, I prefer no manual safety on my carry guns. However I think the beauty of the SR9 is that it can appeal to people who feel either way. If you want a gun with a manual safety you have that option or if you're like me I'll carry it safety off and treat it like a Glock or M&P. The XD also appealed to a lot of people for this reason because it has the backstrap safety like a 1911 which I always through was brilliant.

No, for me I'm carrying it safety off, even though I no I can manipulate easily it doesn't change my feelings about manual safeties on carry guns.

Good discussion topic, thanks for your thoughts! I'm sure there are many that will look at us both and say you are both crazy:D
-Nate

RPCVYemen
December 3, 2007, 06:55 PM
As far as popularity with LEAs. I've yet to see one on a LEO or talked to an officer who said they were issued Ruger autos.

I haven't looked at CDNN for a while, but they used to have a ton of police trade-ins. Whenever I come across a list of weapons issued to departments on the web, Ruger figures prominently.

Mike

DPris
December 3, 2007, 08:08 PM
People certainly do tell me I'm both crazy. :D
Unfortunately, got word back from C&S today that there's nothing they'd be interested in trying to do with that safety. Had my hopes up. :)
Denis

alzo
December 7, 2007, 02:57 PM
Guns and Ammo has a more in-depth (more so than their first one) review here:

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/ga_rugersr9_0801

I believe this is from the January issue.

ernunnos
December 7, 2007, 03:37 PM
Murphy dictates that if you're carrying a gun with a safety, and you need to use it, it'll be in whatever state you didn't want it to be. We have the four rules because we don't trust mechanical devices or our memories. Life and death is too important to leave to "Oh, I know the safety's on". It's also too important to leave to "Oh, I know the safety's off."

Learn the manual of arms your pistol actually has. If you don't like a pistol's manual of arms, don't buy it.

I had my DA CZ-SP01 converted to SAO even though it's entirely possible to carry the DA version cocked 'n locked. In most things in life, choices are good, options are good. When it comes to guns, every choice is just another door for Murphy to sneak in.

bannockburn
December 7, 2007, 06:15 PM
After handling one at a gunshow last month, I'm still of the opinion that if the safety were changed to a new design with a slightly extended ledge to it, I think most of the issues with it's location would be fixed. Right now, it's too far back on the frame, at least for my hand, and it's shape and small size just makes it all the more difficult to use effectively and quickly.

nwilliams
December 7, 2007, 11:30 PM
Just wanted to add that its true what they say about removing the magazine disconnect, It took me all of about 1 minute to do.

Remove the firing pin and the mag disconnect falls out of its slot, simple as that.

Newton
December 8, 2007, 10:54 AM
Was at the same show and traded a couple of guns against a new Beretta PX4 9mm that was listed at $469 with Bear Arms (really great guy to deal with).

At $7 parking and $15 a head entrance, someone is doing very well out of those shows, every hall was packed with people.

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