Ok... how do we form a militia?


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Nightwing
December 2, 2007, 12:41 PM
Ok. I see the things that were written about forming a well armed militia that would be prepared for anything, including the neutering of their gun control rights.
If it's allowed constitutionally for a militia to be formed in the name of freedom..... can we do that? Can we get a list circulated that gives people the info on other people in their area that have the same beliefs in freedom that they do?
I'm just curious! I'm not out to do ANYTHING. I just want to know some other people that stand where I stand politically, and are willing to fight for freedom if the time comes (and it WILL come)

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El Tejon
December 2, 2007, 01:12 PM
Relax, I'm 17 or over and thus already in my state's militia and I don't need BDU pants with a 52" waist.:D

If you are worried about combatting gun control, stand to, militia boy: 1. Join the NRA and give lots of money to the NRA-ILA, PVF, and CRLDF, 2. Write a fat check to the Cato Institute.

The Day may come, it may not. I prefer for the sake of my nephews and my preference for hot showers and clean clothing that it not. Thus, we fight in the first line of defense. Organize and educate.:)

Join the THR Militia, write your congresscritter, send money to the NRA, join a local gun rights group, take a kid shooting, represent gun owners well in your dress, speech and actions, inter alia.

Nightwing
December 2, 2007, 01:32 PM
You, My friend, are my new hero.
Am giving myself an NRA membership for christmas. Also, plan on taking some friends shooting in the spring, becasue they're interested in "What are guns all about".
Where do I find a local Gun Group?????

I'll take off my tinfoil hat now! :)

LKB3rd
December 2, 2007, 01:57 PM
I had the same idea upon seeing that the second amendment is going to be interpreted to decide if only militias are allowed to be armed, not individuals. I posted the joke (sort of) on another forum that we all need to form local militias at our ranges, and have "regulation nights" once a week.

CrawdaddyJim
December 2, 2007, 02:08 PM
Hi, And welcome. Please enjoy your time here. And PLEASE read the stickies if you haven't already.


Where do I find a local Gun Group?????

Google gun clubs in "your state". Or you can get NRA affiliated clubs from their website.
http://www.nra.org/

yesit'sloaded
December 2, 2007, 02:50 PM
I posted the joke (sort of) on another forum that we all need to form local militias at our ranges, and have "regulation nights" once a week. Thats just about how it started before the British got kicked out of the colonies. Guys would shoot on someone's land and then that group formed a company of militia with an elected leader, usually an older or professional man.

yesit'sloaded
December 2, 2007, 02:52 PM
From Connecticut Magazine.
http://books.google.com/books?id=qfMLAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA3-PA673&lpg=RA3-PA673&dq=target+practice+in+the+colonies&source=web&ots=Icn8NkwTuO&sig=axE0-xRtsqAhJFjG0wDWl9vDT1M#PRA3-PA674,M1

RoadkingLarry
December 2, 2007, 09:29 PM
I'd still like to see actual State sponsored Militias. Call 'em up for training, company picnics and target shoots, and for neighborhood patrols in high crime areas, riot control and border security where appropriate. ( cleaning out the state legislature once in a while might be appropriate also:p)

Eightball
December 2, 2007, 10:07 PM
Hmmmm.....would these militia members get to keep class-III weapons, so they could be "at the ready" when the militia calls?

I'm intrigued.

MiddleAgedKen
December 2, 2007, 10:55 PM
I'd still like to see actual State sponsored Militias. Call 'em up for training, company picnics and target shoots, and for neighborhood patrols in high crime areas, riot control and border security where appropriate.

Some states have them. Texas has the Texas State Guard (http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/). Ohio has the Ohio Military Reserve (http://ohmr.ohio.gov/) and the Ohio Naval Militia (http://navalmilitia.ohio.gov/). Other states may have similar organizations.

Alas, no Class III issues: in their normal duties the Ohio outfits, at least, are unarmed. The Naval Militia provides offshore security (keep folks away from the beach and near-shore waters) during the National Matches at Camp Perry; their base of operations is in nearby Port Clinton. I think there are provisions for arming the OMR and ONM if things got really dire, but I don't know.

Note that these are the state's organized militia bodies; the unorganized militia is something else.

collateral
December 3, 2007, 10:15 PM
F*ck the NRA.

If you want to start a militia go for it, its your constitutional right.
PM me and I'll give you some advice and send you some links.

MarshallDodge
December 3, 2007, 10:25 PM
F*ck the NRA.
Wow! That was pretty low!

The NRA has done more for gun rights than any other group out there. What have you done lately? :)

Cosmoline
December 3, 2007, 10:31 PM
If it's allowed constitutionally for a militia to be formed in the name of freedom..... can we do that?

Are you talking about Heller? Because that's not the issue in front of the Supreme Court right now. Militias are created by federal and state code and regulation. They can be ended in the same way. There is no constitutional right to form private militia groups.

W.E.G.
December 3, 2007, 10:36 PM
instructions at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-800603042721703595&q=militia

All ya need is a Mini 14 and a flag.
Money would appear to be optional.

Running time 44 minutes.

Cosmoline
December 3, 2007, 10:41 PM
I just want to know some other people that stand where I stand politically, and are willing to fight for freedom if the time comes

They're called Citizens. Remember them?

86thecat
December 4, 2007, 03:40 AM
El Tejon put everything in focus well. I strongly agree with "take a kid shooting" as an appreciation of firearms in the next generations will provide votes in the future to defeat bad gun laws.

MarshallDodge
December 4, 2007, 12:10 PM
instructions at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3595&q=militia

All ya need is a Mini 14 and a flag.
Money would appear to be optional.

:what: And we wonder why gun owners have such a bad image. :scrutiny:

I liked this militia better:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6383261735215740847

politicalgeek
December 4, 2007, 12:32 PM
Marshall, I would agree, for the most part, that the first video is pretty bad representation of the common gun owner. The reporter does make the comment, however, on how normal they were/appeared...just the most paranoid people they had seen.

brighamr
December 4, 2007, 12:37 PM
creating a local militia. In keeping with the thoughts of militia's in the olden days, I have a question. This may be off topic, but I see a startling similarity between 1770's and today.

Back then, there was a high tax imposed on tea. This resulted in the boston tea party, which was part of the escalation of the revolution. Today, we have a high tax on everything that can be purchased. Even our homes, land, milk, gas, etc are taxed. Tobacco is taxed at 200% in some states. What would happen if the unorganized militia performed a "boston tea party" today against one of these taxes?

In truth, the media would rule it a "militant group of cowards" but then again, what if the new 'boston tea party' were directed towards broadcasting towers? I personally think if the major networks were taken out, it would be complete chaos, but it's an interesting idea. The men who lead the "tea party" were looked at as bad men, but today they are revered as heroes...

Someone please educate me, I don't know nearly enough about the revolution.

***I am NOT condoning any act of violence!!! I am merely curious how the US has changed in the last 200 years.***

Gord
December 4, 2007, 12:52 PM
1) Buy six-pack
2) Change into elastic-waist BDU pants
3) Obtain Confederate flag
4) Load shotgun
5) Wave flag and shotgun around
6) Swill beer
7) ???
8) Profit!

There ya go.

collateral
December 5, 2007, 01:42 AM
The NRA has done more for gun rights than any other group out there. What have you done lately?
The NRA insists on compromising our rights away bit by bit.
I have written letters and made calls to my congressmen about gun control bills. But more often than not, my congressmen dont care what the peasants have to say.

1) Buy six-pack
2) Change into elastic-waist BDU pants
3) Obtain Confederate flag
4) Load shotgun
5) Wave flag and shotgun around
6) Swill beer
7) ???
8) Profit!

There ya go.

Maybe you should spend some time in the field with an actual militia unit before you decide to compare all of them to a bunch of drunk rednecks.

Militias are created by federal and state code and regulation.

not the unorganized militia.


Some of you seem to have some wrong ideas about militia members. I suggest you look into laws like the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and of the proposed law HR 1955/S1959. Maybe youll understand why so many militia members seem so "paranoid"

Cosmoline
December 5, 2007, 01:52 PM
If you want to start a militia go for it, its your constitutional right.


No, it is not. The feds have the power to create and regulate a militia, as do the states. They can opt not to create one, as well. And most states no longer have active militias. The unorganized militia is an inactive militia. These so-called "militia units" are at best groups of armed men running around in the woods. At worst they're would-be insurgents hoping to enforce a racist ideology. I have a right to keep and bear arms in part to kill those kind of people in a pinch.

not the unorganized militia.

Yes, the unorganized militia. Vis:

10 USC 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

And some state provisions that mirror this provision:

Minn.Stat 191.05 - 191.09 (Chapter called "unorganized militia" giving Gov. power to call up and arm said group)

Mo. Rev. 41-070
41.070. 1. The militia of the state is divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

2. The organized militia shall consist of the following:

(1) Such elements of the land and air forces of the National Guard of the United States as are allocated to the state by the President or the Secretary of Army or Air, and accepted by the state, hereinafter to be known as the national guard and the air national guard;

(2) Such elements of the reserve naval forces of the United States as are allocated to the state by the President or the Secretary of the Navy, and accepted by the state, hereinafter called the naval militia; and the

(3) Missouri reserve military force, when organized.

3. The unorganized militia shall consist of all persons liable to serve in the militia but not commissioned or enlisted in the organized militia.

You can find one of these provisions lurking in most codes. Absolutely nothing prevents a state or the feds from opting to alter these statutes or repeal them.

Kentucky
December 5, 2007, 01:56 PM
Nightwing,

I would STRONGLY suggest that you take a look at the Appleseed program. While it is certainly not a milita, it is a group of likeminded folk who I believe would fight for Liberty if it came to it. The reason I believe that is because they are fighting for it NOW. Recruiting new shooters and inspiring newbies and experienced shooters alike to get involved and make a change in this country. You can visit www.appleseedinfo.org for more information, or PM me or funfaler on this board.

Cosmoline
December 5, 2007, 02:01 PM
Back then, there was a high tax imposed on tea. This resulted in the boston tea party, which was part of the escalation of the revolution.

The BTP was a little more complex than that, as you might imagine. The closest modern equivalent would be to go into Wal-Mart dressed as ninjas and smash every ChiCom made product or Nafta import in the store, taking pains to damage nothing else. The Tea Party wasn't protesting tax per se, but a sweetheart deal between the East Ind. Company and the Brits to allow the Company to sell with a reduced tax, undercutting local merchants. Sounds somewhat familiar, doesn't it?

But this has gotten twisted around in the popular mind to a general protest on all taxes, which was not the issue. It was a protest against giving a huge multinational a reduced tax rate in order to help it drive the locals out of business.

Gord
December 5, 2007, 06:41 PM
Maybe you should spend some time in the field with an actual militia unit before you decide to compare all of them to a bunch of drunk rednecks.

So, tell me where I can find one of these "actual" militia units and why I shouldn't simply shift my stereotyping from "drunken rednecks" to "guys with too much free time playing Army Man," as I'm assuming your definition of "actual" does not come from any governing authority, as you seem to be woefully misinformed from reading your other posts in the thread. So, what defines "actual"? Y'all got together and made a real official-looking charter swearing to uphold the law of the land, etcetera and so forth?

If you do happen to be in a state-sanctioned militia, I'm very happy for you; but most states don't have one nor do they want one, so it doesn't exactly help the OP or the rest of us any. Try again.

instructions at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3595&q=militia

All ya need is a Mini 14 and a flag.
Money would appear to be optional.

While LaVerkin isn't exactly "remote" (being about ten minutes off of I-15, and all) it is barely twenty or thirty minutes south of me. Oh goodie. :scrutiny:

illspirit
December 5, 2007, 06:48 PM
As Cosmoline said, you can't just start a militia unit. Everybody is already in the unorganized militia. But if you want to be organized, the only real option is to join a State Defense Force, assuming your State has one.

http://www.gosdf.com/jointhesdftext.html

brighamr
December 5, 2007, 08:50 PM
There truly is a lot more to history than was taught in grade school, I'm constantly trying to learn and I appreciate you taking the time to educate re: BTP.


I won't hijack this thread any longer ;)

ExSoldier
December 5, 2007, 10:34 PM
The only thing I have to say here is that when your group gathers lots of new members all eager to uphold the Second Amendment, the guys who are urging violent action the MOST .... are the FBI agents.

I think before folks get all riled up on this subject, there should be a period of intense scrutiny of the Supreme Court and the decision they reach over the next year. Jump start the militia movement too fast and it will bring too much liberal legislative heat on us before it's necessary, IMHO. The very notion can easily be spun by a lying media into a scenario that will also cause the moderates to align against us and cause the focus to shift into a very sharply negative snapshot of gun owners in general that could have a backlash effect that is completely unnecessary.

Btw, one time, some years ago, I was teaching at a middle school for a short period of time and I made no secret of my conservatism or my pro-gun viewpoints, especially being published on 2nd Amendment related matters about 6 times per year average in the Miami Herald. Most of my fellow "educators" hated my guts. That's fine. Invariably there is at least one or two that are prior service and we all hang together.

One time this really uber left wing English teacher stopped me in the Teacher's lunch area when it was full of folks and we had this exchange:

Her: MR. EXSOLDIER! Are you a member of a MILITIA?

Me: Ummmmm nope.

Her: Well, why not?

Me: Don't misunderstand, it's not because I disagree with what they believe in or practice.

Her: ~Confused look~

Me: They simply can't teach me anything new!

Her: Runs SCREAMING from the room. The rest of the teachers continue eating lunch and chatting with me. The subject never came up in public again.

Anonymous Coward
December 6, 2007, 02:47 AM
Hardy har har.

"Militia."

Jesus Christ.

Justin
December 6, 2007, 06:28 PM
Running around in the woods with your buddies playing army might be fun, but it's hardly political activism.

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