Hunting coyote w/ 90gr .270 win


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Evocatii
December 4, 2007, 01:42 AM
With a new rifle not an option, I am considering the use of a 90 grain bullet in .270 win to try and take coyote cleanly. The suggested load out...

90 GR. SIE HP / H4350 / 58.0
Hodgdon load data

Any thoughts or suggestions?

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retrieverman
December 4, 2007, 09:10 AM
I will be very curious to know how the load shoots. Please report back.

ADKWOODSMAN
December 4, 2007, 09:14 AM
For years I used 110 Sierra's for chucks, I be concerned about fur damage IMHO with 90's.
RDH

Art Eatman
December 4, 2007, 10:08 AM
Just guessing, but the question is whether the barrel's twist rate is slow enough for that bullet to group well. If it does, it oughta be a good bullet for coyotes...

Art

jeepmor
December 4, 2007, 10:21 AM
You might consider a soft point. My BIL was shooting them recently in Eastern Oregon and he stated even his 22-250 with 55 grain V-maxs was blowing holes in the hides. His uncle had him use some of lower speed handloaded hollowpoint rounds (~3300fps) and he said they were still blowing holes in them worse than the v-maxs.

On coyotes, I suspect, a softpoint just might not fully expand before it exits the smallish critter. But I'm not sure. Whatever you do, have fun, good luck, be safe. Please share the results though, I'd love to load my wife's .270for coyote shooting. I'd use it and let her carry my .223.

jeepmor

Zeke/PA
December 4, 2007, 04:15 PM
Just curious.
Why don't you stick with the same bullets that you hunt deer with?
Zeke

skinewmexico
December 4, 2007, 06:16 PM
Why don't you stick with the same bullets that you hunt deer with?


+1. They'll be just as dead. The concept of a varmint rifle was invented just to sell more guns. And I was listening.

QuakKillz
December 4, 2007, 10:28 PM
Just curious.
Why don't you stick with the same bullets that you hunt deer with?
Zeke

'cuz 130gr bullets make big holes too....shot a bobcat a few years ago and wished I'da had a .22 caliber something instead after I picked the sucker up......

Evocatii
December 4, 2007, 11:23 PM
Just curious.
Why don't you stick with the same bullets that you hunt deer with?
Zeke

Well, my first thought is it will move nearly 1000 ft/s (3400 to 3600 ft/s depending on powder) faster than my 150gr loads which would not hurt when greater bullet weight isn't needed for a take down. Secondly, the greater bullet weight over most varmint rounds will help against cross winds. Last but not least, I would not have to buy a new rifle (I would have to answer to my wife).

Although these characteristics are not required to take a coyote down, they would be beneficial if it can be helped. Right?

jeepmor
December 5, 2007, 12:24 AM
Why don't you stick with the same bullets that you hunt deer with?

Hide damage comes to mind. But, as stated, a 22-250 with 55 grainers will cause plenty of damage too.

Evocatii
December 7, 2007, 12:43 AM
That is true. Although, at this point and time, hide damage isn't going to be an issue. It is just some critter kill'n for a rancher who had one of his cattle killed by coyote.

chunk
December 8, 2007, 10:44 AM
i've never used 90 gr ,but hornady 110 gr v-max & 59 gr of h4831 has worked well for me, not so well for the coyote's

Shadow Shock
December 8, 2007, 12:07 PM
I was hog hunting with my .270 a few months ago and I shot a cayote at 200yd with 130gr soft points. The bullet didn't have enough time to expand and left a small entry and exit wound. Maybe just a freak shot, but that's what happened.

Evocatii
December 8, 2007, 12:22 PM
The 90 grain bullets have been ordered and hopefully I will have them loaded for next weekend. I went out this morning to scout the landscape and found that there is about 300 yards of clear land around a small hill that has some shrub oak. I also saw the three coyotes that have been causing the trouble. It is looking promising.

ratgunner
December 8, 2007, 01:18 PM
skinewmexico,the reason for varmit calibers and bullets is for safety.The bullets blow up instead of bouncing along after impact.This is important when shooting groundhogs and such around farms with buildings and livestock.I dont think they were invented to sell more guns,most started out as wildcats by people who were not in the gun selling business.However I use my .270 for varmits,but I use varmit bullets not the same ones as for deer.Not trying to argue just saying .

gimposaurus
December 15, 2007, 10:45 AM
I've used that same bullet, with 61gr of ADI AR2209 (4350 Equiv) on wallaby and goats. Devastating on wallaby, not so much on goats. It shoots .6" consistently out of my remington 700

The BC of the 90gr HP is very poor, so it's only really good inside a couple of hundred yards before it sheds too much speed and drops like a rock

gimposaurus
December 15, 2007, 10:47 AM
the low BC also means that it is really terrible in wind. When I run out of my 100 90 grainers I won't be buying more... I'll just use my 130gr SSTs, which I find to be an excellent bullet.

MAGNUMWIDEGLIDE
December 17, 2007, 02:15 AM
I used 63.5 grains of Reloader 19 and was getting around 3300 FPS in my Savage 110. Never shot a yote with them. I agree with what others have said about the BC being poor. The 150's don't make any bigger holes, in fact probably a lot less than the 90's. .277" from a 150 = .277" from a 90 grain. But the 90 will blow up. Use the 130 ballistic tips or SST's I'd say.

I'll let you know if/when I crack one with the new AR-15 in 6.8 Rem SPC with 90 gr Speer TNT's after I unwrap it from the wife and kids under my tree:)

MAGNUMWIDEGLIDE
December 17, 2007, 02:16 AM
Make that 62.5 grains of Rel 19.

Evocatii
January 5, 2008, 01:23 AM
As stated before, the hole size isn't as much of an issue as is the other characteristics of the bullet.

After hand loading the cartridges, a little chrono work was done and the rounds were clocked consistently at 3300fps. Things are looking promising. More news to follow in the coming weeks. I can't do much now as I am recovering from knee surgery.

gimposaurus
January 5, 2008, 07:39 AM
what load and rifle for the 3300 fps? that seems slow

Jaenak
January 7, 2008, 12:17 AM
How is Mach 3 slow?

QuakKillz
January 7, 2008, 12:34 AM
I used 90's for a while and went back to 130's....the 90's had a considerably BIGGER exit.... but then again, I was selling pelts, if you're not then it shouldn't be a problem.......

gimposaurus
January 7, 2008, 10:23 AM
How is Mach 3 slow?




I get 3600FPS (average) with these bullets and 62gr of ADI AR2209 (H4350), out of a 24" barrel remington. that's how 3300 seems slow.

balita
January 7, 2008, 03:11 PM
I have taken several coyote on Rockriver 223 m4 with hornady 55 grain. They drop like a rock. Not Rockriver predator but 16 inch m4.

S&Wfan
January 11, 2008, 09:09 PM
Hi,

As always, I'd use the same bullet in my particular specimen of .270 that shoots best, whether it be for deer or coyote.

Ideally, that bullet will have great ballistic coefficeint specs in order to be flat shooting AND accurate.

Luckily, my old '73 Remington 700LH has a special love for Winchester 140 grain Failsafe, and can make a sub- 3/4" 3-shot cloverleaf at 150 yards with that load . . . from the bench.

It's a round that doesn't mushroom much if it doesn't hit bone but it always thumps 'em good . . . and the round got me a 200 lb. trophy buck that I had to take with a quartering away shot. The bullet fully mushroomed, and fell out of the left shoulder when I was caping it out.

Its also dropped coyote in their tracks at 200 yards . . . sittin' on a lone, simple ladder stand on a freshly clearcutted ridge.

There's absolutely NO WAY to tell anyone what their specific specimen of rifle will shoot better with. Unfortunately, you've gotta get a bunch of boxes of ammo and do some serious experimentation, keeping the barrel cool between shots.:banghead:

Lots of folks also handload and experiment with different primers, cartridge brass makers, bullets AND powder until the very, very best accuracy is discovered. I handload for .270 but use factory Winchester Failsafe only because I haven't been able to beat the results!!! That stuff has just about doubled in price since it has been on the market.:(

Finding that dream load is expensive . . . but also quite fun!

Best of all, you learn the exact trajectory your rifle shoots at various ranges and this gives you the confidence to take careful long shots and drop the animal in its tracks.

I keep a homemade balistic chart on the top of my scope showing the bullet drop and wind drift for my pet round.

Hope this helps!

T.

Evocatii
January 16, 2008, 01:39 PM
To answer gimposaurus, the rifle used for the function test was a Rem 700 ADL. As soon as the snow melts a bit and temps go up above zero again, I will get back out to do some more tests.

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