Rainer Bullets And Reloading


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lotsunsold
December 4, 2007, 01:41 PM
I picked up some Ranier bullets from midway .Then went to their site for reload data---Zip.Is there a source for data that is reliable

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cougar1717
December 4, 2007, 01:50 PM
This has come up a couple of times. Rainier's website states "We, at Rainier Ballistics, recommend using lead bullet load data when loading our bullets. There is no need for adjustment when using lead bullet load data. Our bullets are jacketed using an electroplating process and are softer than traditionally jacketed bullets; hence the recommendation to use lead bullet load data. If you only have access to traditionally jacketed load data, we recommend reducing maximum charge by 10%. A roll or taper crimp may be used with our bullets; do not over crimp."

Using the lead bullet data has worked well for me, but I know someone here has the actual load tables from Rainier.

ReloaderFred
December 4, 2007, 01:50 PM
You can use lead bullet data for plated bullets. Accurate has loads listed for plated bullets in their data, and so does Ramshot. Just be sure to bell the case mouth enough to accept the bullet, the same as for loading lead. Also, don't over crimp, or you'll cut through the plating and ruin the accuracy, due to the plating coming off the bullet in flight.

I've shot thousands of Berry's Plated Bullets and they're good bullets. The Rainier bullets are similar.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Chief-7700
December 4, 2007, 02:08 PM
I picked up some Ranier bullets from midway .Then went to their site for reload data---Zip.Is there a source for data that is reliable

Check your PM

Chief-7700

Sgt.Dusk
December 4, 2007, 02:31 PM
Vihtavuori gives some reload data for rainier bullets.
I guess most powder manufacturers do provide
reloading data for Rainier. Check out their sites.

bender
December 4, 2007, 03:28 PM
the company itself (Rainier) goes to ZERO effort to make some reloading data available. Even if they just copy other companies Lead data, or reduce other companies Jacketed Data by 10%, and make a data chart available to their customers... but no...

then they have the nerve to put a BIG Button on their website called Reloading Data... that just displays a message: "use lead data". Thanks for nothing.

you can google it and find tons of people asking about reloading data for plated bullets, but the plated bullet companies don't give a crap.

strat81
December 4, 2007, 03:40 PM
Even if they just copy other companies Lead data
So you would like them to steal copyrighted information?

Given that the data isn't specifically for their bullets, even if they had permission, it'd be a liability to post such data. Rainier is doing the right thing.

lotsunsold
December 4, 2007, 04:08 PM
strat81 I just don't care if they steal copyrighted information f.As A manufactuer of bullets the should data about their product.And where are they getting it from ?

Kimber1911_06238
December 4, 2007, 04:17 PM
just use the lead data or reduce 10% or so from jacketed data. it really isn't a big deal

Mr.Revolverguy
December 4, 2007, 04:20 PM
Way back they did use to have this data out there, I may still have one of their pamphlets I downloaded from their website. That is why the reload data button is still there. I have no idea why they stopped doing such because from what I did research it was not just reproduction of others data.

Chief-7700
December 4, 2007, 05:38 PM
Follow this link http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=317439 and look
at post number 21. You just might be surprized by what you find. The Rainier 2006 reloading data from 2006 in a PDF format. Enjoy
Chief-7700

ATAShooter
December 4, 2007, 07:10 PM
I too contacted Rainier asking for data. OK, they said use lead data. I'm ok with that, HOWEVER, one piece of handy little data they forgot to tell me until I called back with a problem was - Do not exceed 1100 fps velocity as this will cause the plating to come off in flight. I found shards of plating stuck in the face of my chrono, that is why I made the 2nd call. They said that the plating gets cut going thru the rifling and can come off during flight, do not go past 1100 FPS, but they suggest not over 1000 fps to be on the safe side. I had been told this also by Berry's. Golden West you get the real deal for a couple bucks more. So I just get the real stuff. No more plated for me.

Golden west brass has excellent prices on bullets, you may give them a yell. Example - Ranier 230RN 45.99 for 500 at Midway, Golden West 230gr FMJ (REAL jacket ) 55.00 for 500.

http://www.goldenwestbrass.com

bender
December 4, 2007, 07:15 PM
just use the lead data or reduce 10% or so from jacketed data. it really isn't a big deal
I know. My point was... yes, not a big deal... so why can't they give people some reloading data... People are asking all over the web about it. The company doesn't give a crap.... or they're scared and are doing the CYA thing.

They are a bullet company. The other bullet companies have reloading data for their bullets. what the $#@! is their problem?

buenhec
December 4, 2007, 08:10 PM
I have shot a couple thousand of the 230 RN and go by what they say.

hotwheelz
December 4, 2007, 08:32 PM
Let me just say this I live near by Rainier Balistics and Im not sure why they dont provide reloading data . But to say they dont give a crap is total B.S. they are very generous company who try hard to keep prices as low as possible to make shooting easier on the pocket book of alot of us. They support local clubs and maybe those outside of our area { not sure} . So before your mouth writes a check your a$$ cant cash think before you speak, research costs $$$$$ in return costs go up whats wrong with saying use lead loading data. To run down a good company that cares about our sport and the people involved hurts us all. JMHO

ReloaderFred
December 4, 2007, 08:53 PM
It takes a full blown ballistics lab to work up proper data for bullets. I've been through the labs of Sierra Bullets and Nosler Bullets and believe me when I tell you they don't just sit at a bench and dream up loads. It's done scientifically, with pressure testing equipment, test barrels, etc. It costs lots of money to put together a proper ballistics lab. The smaller bullet companies just can't afford to spend those kinds of dollars. I admire a company that's smart enough to say they don't work up their loads and won't blindly publish loads from others. The PDF file that Chief 7700 posted wasn't done by Rainier. It was done by Midway, back when they were producing their LoadMap series of handbooks.

Berry's Bullets takes the same position as Rainier. Use either lead bullet data or midrange jacketed bullet data. Berry's bullets are plated a little thicker than Rainier's, and can be safely pushed to 1,250 fps in most handgun calibers. Above that, and they'll tumble. (ask me how I know) Their rifle bullets are plated much heavier and can be pushed in the area of 1,600 fps.

But back to the subject of the bullet manufacturer not publishing data. Most cast bullet companies also don't publish data. They are small companies and just can't afford the outlay for a ballistics lab.

Before there was the internet, we used to actually read loading manuals and work up our own loads..........

Hope this helps.

Fred

Walkalong
December 4, 2007, 08:54 PM
Before there was the internet, we used to actually read loading manuals and work up our own loads..........
Yep. ;)

bender
December 4, 2007, 09:28 PM
I like Rainier, I like Berrys also. I have a box of 500 Rainier 165gr FP .40 bullets. None of my reloading books has any data, lead or jacketed, for 165gr .40S&W. I know, I can get on the web, go to other sites and find some info.

Their prices are ok compared to FMJ bullets, except that you can usually get bulk FMJ bullets for close to the Rainier price, or even cheaper sometimes. For example, 500 Rainier 115gr 9mm bullets are $35.99. 500 Winchester 115FMJ bullets at Midway are on sale now for $31.99, but even the regular price is $34.99, still cheaper.

edit: ok , so there were a few more posts while I was typing this one...

I know Rainier doesn't need a full-blown ballistics lab. They can get Hodgdon or someone to test loads with their bullets. Also, with the outrageous "lead surcharge" Berrys tacks on, I find them as expensive as bulk FMJ bullets.

JoeHatley
December 4, 2007, 09:32 PM
Is the chart that chief-7700 posted actually data from Rainier? If so, why did they quit providing it?

Yes, it is. That's what you used to get when you clicked on the Reload Info tab at their web site. Why? Ask them..

Joe

ATAShooter
December 4, 2007, 10:04 PM
The PDF file that ATAShooter posted wasn't done by Rainier. It was done by Midway, back when they were producing their LoadMap series of handbooks

Um, I didn't post any pdf's.

When I loaded Rainiers, I used lead data like they told me to, and watched out I didn't exceed the 1000 fps they told me to avoid. As long as I did that, they shot fine. I just decided to go with real jacketed stuff due to I wanted more than 1000 fps.

Chief-7700
December 4, 2007, 10:48 PM
I posted the Rainier Data.
Chief-7700

XD-40 Shooter
December 4, 2007, 11:02 PM
Hey Bender, 6 grains of Unique behind a 165 grain Ranier works great for me, gives 980 fps over the chrono, out of my XD, very accurate, mild recoil.:D I usually load my Ranier's on the high end of the lead data. I push my Ranier's up to around 1100 fps and have never had a problem, no keyholing, no leading. I don't buy the 1000 fps statement.

My most recent load is a 155 grain Ranier with 6.5 grains of Unique, gives me 1080 fps out of the XD, accurate load, recoil is noticeable, but not a big deal.

Walkalong
December 5, 2007, 12:18 PM
I routinely push a Ranier 115 Gr. RN at around 1100 to 1200 FPS in various pistols with AA #5, WSF, or N330 (until it runs out) with excellent success.

Those same loads will approach or exceed 1300 FPS from a CX4 Storm with excellent results as well.

This is with jacketed data, which seems to work fine with this bullet in this caliber.

Other calibers/bullet combos will have to be worked up seperately to see how they respond. Plated bullets can be funny, but will generally be fine to at least 80% of jacketed data, sometimes more.

Mr.Revolverguy
December 5, 2007, 02:06 PM
The most important piece for me was going from outdoor to indoor range. So I went from lead to rainier. Also I am one that really loves to shoot as often as I can like I guess most of you but for me it is mainly plinking. But I am not one to want to beat up or cause undue stress on any of my weapons. All that being said rainier is still softer than regular jacket, it has been said easier on the rifling.

I see now though that I am going to need to shop a little better because when I purchase bulk 1000 or more I have not found anyone to beat the rainer price. Berry's I did like but the lead surcharge is unreal now. A local dealer was carrrying it and some how he arranged to offer them for less than you can get by going directly to their site. But a box of 500 only from Berry's was 66 bucks. In that situation you may as well buy jacketted.

ilbob
December 5, 2007, 03:05 PM
I have used maybe 5 or 10 thousand of them in 9mm and 38 special. always used the lead data. seems to be ok, although they seem to shoot tighter groups if the you kick the powder up a hair (maybe 0.2 grain) from the best lead load at that weight and size of bullet, as long as you don't exceed the max load in the book. ymmw.

sublimaze41
December 5, 2007, 11:08 PM
Accurate's Reloading book contains SPECIFIC load data for Rainier bullets. If you shoot alot of Rainiers then this reloading book is well worth the price. Also, the newest Lee reloading book has data for plated bullets.

S391
November 23, 2009, 09:49 PM
Accurate's Reloading book contains SPECIFIC load data for Rainier bullets. If you shoot alot of Rainiers then this reloading book is well worth the price. Also, the newest Lee reloading book has data for plated bullets.
Thanks, I just started loading Rainier bullets and I'll have to pick up a copy of the Accurate Reloading book.

Rugg_Ed
December 2, 2009, 12:53 PM
ReloaderFred, Walkalong
Well said, wasn't much data back in the shining times and you actually worked a load up from what data you could find.

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