Has anyone here ever cut a rifle down to pistol size? I'm talking .22.


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dgray64
December 5, 2007, 09:30 AM
Even with reloading my own, target shooting is getting pretty expensive and I thought about getting a .22 pistol or semi-auto for practice. They cost more than a center fire model. So I thought maybe I could cut down a .22 rifle to pistol size, like my Mossburg semi-auto rifle. What do you think? Thanks.

Dave :what::confused:

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1 old 0311
December 5, 2007, 09:32 AM
I believe you will need to register it with the $200.00 stamp. Once a rifle, ALWAYS a rifle.

Boarhunter
December 5, 2007, 02:23 PM
And some states ban the possession of short-barreled rifles, even if they would otherwise be approved by ATF. So, get legal advice before cutting down any long gun.

Boarhunter

rcmodel
December 5, 2007, 02:28 PM
Very much against Federal Law, and has been since the 1934 National Firearms Act.

Don't do it!

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jwr_747
December 5, 2007, 03:43 PM
knew a guy long time ago did a 303 Brit.#1MKIII that way,was a bear to shoot.think he goes by # 87545 now. not a good idea. jwr

Jim Watson
December 5, 2007, 04:45 PM
I once read a magazine article about a pump action rifle a guy built out of a Winchester 1890. He shortened the barrel and magazine tube, cut the pump handle down to a slim knurled sleeve, and bent the tangs to a Bisley shape. It was a .22 WRF so he rechambered it to .22 WRM. It made a nice looking gun. But he had not obtained prior permission. The feds didn't prosecute, but they stole his gun.

Funderb
December 5, 2007, 04:52 PM
No!! Don't Go To Prison!

Master Blaster
December 5, 2007, 05:08 PM
Occifer Stedenko is that you???

Its Occifer Stedenko of the ATF here to see if any of us wants to volunteer to be a felon, Randy Weaver sends his regards!!!!!

Just Kidding.

Its illegal to cut down a rifle, barrels must be at least 16", and overall length must be over 26" IIRC see the ATF website for details:

www.atf.gov

Autolycus
December 5, 2007, 05:26 PM
Its sad that there is so much bereaucracy associated with this.

redneckrepairs
December 5, 2007, 05:48 PM
dgray you basicly cannot do this legaly without prior approval and a $200 tax stamp fee since a short barrel rifle comes under the perview of NFA regulations.
If you want to shoot a cheap .22 pistol then i respectfully suggest you shop the ruger .22s . some models can be found cheaper than the tax stamp on a short rifle lol . There are a lot of other options , but ruger autos tend to hold value where if you take care of it the round count wont affect the resale if you ever care to sell it .

pdowg881
December 5, 2007, 05:49 PM
I know sw22a's can be found for $180 and there not bad low-end target pistols.

supraneurotoxin
December 5, 2007, 06:23 PM
illegal.
but wouldn't it be great?
I've thought about chopping down my 10/22(on the butler creek folder), about 5 inches from the receiver, adding a short vertical grip, and trimming down the shoulder pad. that and a few 30 rd mags, plus a select fire conversion would make for a fun little SMG...
not worth earning myself an all expense paid vacation to the grey bar hotel, but a fun idea none the less...

eldon519
December 5, 2007, 07:20 PM
The only way I could think to do what you're talking about legally would be to acquire a 10/22 action by itself and register it as a handgun upon purchase. Then you could put a short barrel on it and a pistol-grip, buttless stock. I think that's how it's basically done when you build a AR-15 pistol on a stripped lower.

Funderb
December 5, 2007, 07:45 PM
why don't you just buy one of those universal made m1 carbines that are cut short and stockless (pistolgripped)
The ammo is cheap, and packs more punch, and it's easy to shoot.

haha.
that one's illegal too.
great, we're all going to prison.

Ron James
December 5, 2007, 08:02 PM
The Universal carbine pistol, ( Enmforcer? ) were made on new receivers that had never been on a rifle and were resgristed as pistols. Legal

Funderb
December 5, 2007, 10:13 PM
okay, so i'm not going to prison then?

that's good to hear. honestly.
but it is really fun to shoot.
found it in an oven.

ugaarguy
December 6, 2007, 04:42 AM
The only way I could think to do what you're talking about legally would be to acquire a 10/22 action by itself and register it as a handgun upon purchase. Then you could put a short barrel on it and a pistol-grip, buttless stock. I think that's how it's basically done when you build a AR-15 pistol on a stripped lower.
A stripped receiver is generally recorded as an "Other" on the 4473. That aside, once it's been assembled as a pistol, it shall never have a buttstock unless you go through the SBR paperwork & tax. I've seen a customer's 10/22 receiver (can't remember which non-Ruger manufacturer) which was built into a pistol for rimfire silhouette unlimited class competition, or something along those lines.

Volquartsen and a few others make 10/22 receivers you can custom build into a rifle or pistol. However, you'd spend more than just outright buying a .22 LR pistol. Ruger 22/45 and Browning Buckmark base models are both very reasonable.

Of course if you want a semi-auto shotgun Smith & Wesson has the deal for you. If you buy any new S&W 1000 series shotgun you can get a new 22A for $49 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&content=48313&sectionId=10002). The $49 22A is not a rebate either, S&W reimburses the dealer after they do the proper paperwork, but it's hassle free for the buyer.

Master Blaster
December 6, 2007, 08:32 AM
Someone out there is making a custom 10/22 pistol, but IIRC its expensive.
I think its volquartsen, but you can buy a buckmark or a ruger MKII for much less and they are much better pistols, size and balance wise.

Hornet custom Kit, note this is a rifle with a pistol grip 26 3/4 OAL, and 16 1/4 barrel:

http://www.hornetproducts.com/ViewProduct.asp?ModelNumber=HCP901775

Volquartsen's actual pistol:

https://www.volquartsen.com/vc//pages/public/ListItems.jsp?id=13

only $1000, you can get a smith&wesson model 41, an actual target pistol, for less.

nalioth
December 6, 2007, 09:01 AM
A stripped receiver is generally recorded as an "Other" on the 4473 I keep seeing people referring to the "other" and "receiver" options on the 4473. I've never been able to find it. Can anyone show me?


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