[Roebuck]

Can anyone help me with load data for Barnes Varmint Grenade Bullets in .22-250, 36gn, using Accurate or Vihtavouri powders please?

Thank you.

Roebuck.

[dennisH87]

I am having the same propblem as you but i want load data for H380 and Varget. If i find anything I will pm your or post it here. I too have a .22-250 and the 36 gr grenades.

[Roebuck]

Thanks Dennis. I will ask my riflesmith if he has anything on the powders you mention and if he has I will contact you. Thanks again for your reply to my plea for help!!:)

[dennisH87]

Hey i fonud it. It doesnt give load data for either of your prefferable powders but it does for varget. VARGETStarting load for 36 gr. VG seated 0.058 off the lands: 36.5 gr. VARGET 3,975 FPS MAX 40.5gr. 4,363 FPS. I would be very carefull about loading them any faster than 4000 fps. 4000fps is equivilent to 2727.27 miles per hour. Sending anything that fast through a metal barrel will quickly aid in barrel errosion. (aka burning your barrel out) NOT GOOD! Alhough it ussually insn't a factor unless you shoot over 200 rounds or so in one setting. be careful and assume i have a disclamer haha.

[dennisH87]

oh ya, heres where i found it at

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/hl249partial1.pdf

[Roebuck]

Much obliged Dennis and thanks for the link.

[dennisH87]

heres some load data for H380 but i have a feeling this person just copied it out of the hornady manual for the 40gr. V-Max bullet.

http://www.gunsandhunting.com/barnesgrenade.html

[Roebuck]

I had seen that one Dennis. Thanks once more.

[Doug b]

I have no data for AAC powders for 22-250 but I do have for,W-748 ,H-335 ,TAC ,Varget(same as above by DennisH87), IMR-4320 and ,RL-15 ,from handloader mag.I've worked the Varget load up to 39.5 gr. with outstanding results, seems the faster you drive it the better it shoots.I'll post the other data if you want it.

[dennisH87]

Doug b, what kind of accuracy did you get out of your varmint grenade bullets? I've heard that they dont shoot for **** on some ppls guns and in others they shoot one hole groups. i know every gun is differnt but its seems to me they really perfer one type of twist rate or another.

[Doug b]

Denny touching bullet holes @ 100 yrds. off a rest with a Ruger #1.

[Seafarer12]

Have you seen the grape video of the varmint grenade bullets. That pretty wild.

[dennisH87]

today i tested the varmint grenades with varget. I used the middle powder charge and seated them at three differnt lengths. I loaded 5 rounds at .005 off the lands, .010, and .020. As i suspected the most accurate round was seated .005 off the lands. .020 was the size of a golf ball or bigger, .010 was a little smaller, and .005 was about .5 MOA. i still have to test them with H380. im not extremly pleased with the accuracy but i didnt expect them to shoot like a match bullet. I loaded this bullet to blow the $hit outa ground hogs! lol

[dennisH87]

Doug b, do you happen to know the velocity on your VG bullets loaded with 39.5gr of Varget?? becuase i happend to load mine to 39.6gr of varget so the velocity would be about the same. i wasnt shooting well when i shot this group but it was still under 1/2" with one flyer about .25 away from the center of the group. all other holes where touching and looked like a "Y". group was 5 shots @ 100 yards.

[tmetcalfe]

Barnes has 36 gr. and others buried deep in their website.
http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/223RemingtonWeb.pdf or
http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/data-224/

[Whitman31]

I was in North Dakota a couple of weeks ago killing prairie dogs. A buddie of mine who is a decent reloader was using some Varmint Grenade's he had loaded up. The accuracy was there, but the carnage was not much different than his normal hornady v-max loads, and not near as good as my 204 Ruger.

With the winds, neither worked well over 250yds, just too light...

That grape video was a great marketing tool...

[pilot teacher]

The Varmint Grenade 62 gr. out of my Savage 243 does not stabilize.
Tried different powders and loads and seating depth, etc. While the extreme spread and standard deviations measured on my Chrony don't look bad, down range they shoot groups as large as 8 inches. My 65 Grain v max go into 1 inch.
They can keep the VG. What a waste of primers, powder and money.:barf:

Have no idea what the problem is other than they do not stabilize with 1:10 twist. Another strange anomaly is they also shoot almost 6 inches to the left as compared to 54, 70, 75, 80 and 87 gr bullets.

Wonder who else encountered this?:(

[NCsmitty]

pilot teacher, here are the loads on the Barnes site that you may have seen.
Barnes lists the twist to be 1in10 or faster for that bullet. You're on the upper fringe of the required twist, and you would more than likely need to achieve top velocity to have a chance of stabilizing those VG bullets.

I'm a copper and lead guy and do not shoot Barnes.
Stick with what works.


.243 Winchester

Bullet Weight: 62 gr------------------- Case Trim Length: 2.035"-------S.D. 0.150
Bullet Style: Varmint Grenade--------Primer: Fed GM210M-------B.C. 0.199
COAL: 2.645"-----------------Barrel Length: 24"
Case: Winchester-----------Twist Rate: 1:10"


-----------------start_______ Max
Powder____(grains)-(fps)-(grains)-(fps)--- Density (%)

IMR 4350___43.0__3455__47.0___3699__96
___RL 19___45.0__3373__ 50.0__3685__99


NCsmitty

[pilot teacher]

Hi NC,
Yeah I got the Barnes #4 Reloading book and tried those loads. Reloader 19 is a little too slow and even though they are almost compressed it does not help.
I sent an e-mail to Barnes asking them about the issue. When I hear from them I'll update the post. Also tried Varget, H4895, IMR 4895 and 3031, RE-15. Might try to work up a load with 4198. Also tried R-P, Hornady and Win brass. All my brass is sorted by head and weight. Checked case neck and bullet run out. All the parameters are fine. It's really wierd. Been reloading since I was 16 and never seen anything like this.

[NCsmitty]

Do as you want, but IMR4198 is too fast burning to be useful.

Take a look at the new Rel-17 powder in the 243 data. It is pretty amazing.

Varget, H4895, and Rel-15 are great too.

Here's a link to the Alliant site.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/


NCsmitty