Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'


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Drizzt
July 22, 2003, 12:39 AM
Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'

ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN


AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

"They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."

City authorities claim the airport is perfectly safe, but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher - is being undertaken.

Nearly two million passengers a year pass through Schoenefeld. According to the Stasi files, the ammunition was buried in bunkers between eight and nine metres deep.

A spokesman for the airport said: "We became aware of the bunkers in 1993, four years after the fall of the [Berlin] Wall. A check was undertaken then and everything was determined to be safe."

But he conceded that he was astounded at the claims that fully-fuelled and bombed-up aircraft lie beneath the runways and said new tests about the safety of the structures will be carried out.

He added: "We had no idea that so much ordnance is supposedly under there."

Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: "This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary."

Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

Bunkers are being discovered every day and a group called Underground Berlin has turned several of them into tourist attractions.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=792292003

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blades67
July 22, 2003, 12:54 AM
I'll take one Me111, please!:evil: :cool:

El Tejon
July 22, 2003, 01:01 AM
Man, the commies save everything.

I went to grad skul with a Refusnik who "avoided" the dreaded dedyushka system of punishment in the Soviet/Russian army, by going into the "civil engineers." Because he was a Jew, he was beaten and put in a labour battalion with "other" Asians (have to know the New Soviet Army, this is the utopia that the Left here seeks to recreate).

Part of his gig included building large warehouses and filling them with WWII battlefield pickups for the Great Patriotic War--STILL (this would have been the mid to late '80s).:eek:

blades67
July 22, 2003, 01:37 AM
:eek: :what: :eek: Still?!

Mike Irwin
July 22, 2003, 01:54 AM
"millions of tons"?

I sort of doubt those amounts in Berlin, but millions of pounds? Oh yeah.

There's a department of the French Ministry of the Interior that's still clearing unexploded munitions from land that's been closed since World War I!

A couple of years ago they had at least one guy severely injured when a gas shell detonated as they were moving it.

Deep construction projects in much of Europe are always a bit on the dicy side, and it's not unusual for farmers every year to unearth unexploded ordnance. Sometimes they even are injured or killed when one goes off as they're plowing.

TheeBadOne
July 22, 2003, 02:01 AM
I'll take an MG-42 ;)

CB900F
July 22, 2003, 02:05 AM
Blades67;

I think I'll take an ME 111 also, as they are EXTREMLY rare.

900F

Stickjockey
July 22, 2003, 02:17 AM
Heck, I'd settle for a Bf 109 or Fw 190...

Me 262?

4v50 Gary
July 22, 2003, 02:24 AM
Reserve the following for me:

Me109 - any model, beggars y'know
FW190 - again, any model
JU88 - Wonder bomber
He-111 - mainstain of the Luftwaffe bomber force
He-177 - OK, engine overheating, but why not?
FW-200 Kondor
Me-262 - nostalgia, who wouldn't want the first operational jet fighter
Arado 234 - and might as well have the bomber
Fi-Storch - land in the width of a tennis court. Come down like Rommel would.
Ju-52 - Good old Auntie Ju. Germany's answer to the Ford Tri-motor.
Ju-87 Stuka, but I want the sirens mounted back on.

Oh, besides sitting atop of a minor EOD problem, they're also sitting atop of a gold mine. Hopefully that Av-gas didn't corrode through the tanks and ruin the airframes.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 22, 2003, 03:19 AM
Maybe there's a Schwimmwagen or two in there, too. I'd even take a Kubelwagen...I'm not picky.

Besides, if it's full of Panzerfausts....

Regards,
Rabbit.

TheeBadOne
July 22, 2003, 03:40 AM
As far as aircraft, if you're a jet fan sure a ME-262 would do, but for prop planes I'd love a Focke-Wulf Ta 152C (the "Super Focke-Wulf)!

http://web.quick.cz/rvresin/images/det48pic/x01-d.jpg

erikm
July 22, 2003, 04:57 AM
I wouldn't be too surprised if there are several tons of stuff hidden under Schoenefeld. The communists were apparently notorious packrats where old weapons were concerned.

As for unexploded ordnance in general, there's still a lot of it buried. Most western european army bomb disposal teams deal with several WWII bombs per year (the bombs usually turn up during construction work). In Belgium and France they have the additional problem of WWI explosive and chemical shells. Until fairly recently the belgian army had a large storage site just south of the dutch border where they stored the shells they dug up. These were either explosive or filled with fosgene or mustard gas. Unfortunately determining precisely what they were filled with isn't easy to and given their age they were generally in poor state. The dutch government wasn't pleased it took the belgians so long to set up a destruction facility.

Apparently every couple of years some poor farmer in Belgium or northern France is blown up when his plow blades set off an artillery shell. There's also been a case of a (war) cemetary where all of a sudden all the plants died. Excavations turned up a leaking chemical shell.

Cheers,
ErikM :evil:

CWL
July 22, 2003, 05:08 AM
Heck, there's a fully-functional Pz-IV in some guy's cellar in Berlin. At the end of WWII, this guy drove his tank into his cellar and built over it. He still fires it up and shows it off to collectors, but you can't move it without demolishing his house. A local collector here in CA has options on it when he kicks over.

A friend of mine in Hungary has german weapons plastered into his home's ceiling back from WWII days.

Leftover munitions from WW-One still turns up quite often in Europe.

Schuey2002
July 22, 2003, 05:35 AM
Put me down for a case of Stg 44's.. :)

dinosaur
July 22, 2003, 08:24 AM
Hey, this might drive the used tank market into the toilet. Maybe now I can get a slightly used Leopard for 0 down and $219 a month.:D The front yard has been missing something since I threw out the birdbath.:banghead:

Kharn
July 22, 2003, 08:40 AM
Dear Sir or Madame (Herr and Frau?):
Enclosed is a copy of my Curio and Relics license, and I would like to order ten 'World War II Collectors packs', each consisting of a Luger, P38, MP44, STG44, MG34, MG42, 10 Mausers and packaged in the collectable Panzer tank/shipping container filled to the hatch-tops with ammunition. Please hand-pick all items, especially the Panzer. If you gip me on the handpick, I'll come over there and :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :cuss: your scrawny neck.

Sincerely,
Kharn :D

seeker_two
July 22, 2003, 10:00 AM
Would ME-262's be considered C&R?...:evil:

H Romberg
July 22, 2003, 11:13 AM
We need a "Drooling Homer" smiley for things like this.

4v50 Gary
July 22, 2003, 12:29 PM
A fully function Pzkw IV in a cellar? :eek: Last time the Pz IV saw combat was as pillboxes on the Golan Heights in '67. If that guy could rent it out to movie or TV production companies, he'd make some $.

Gewehr98
July 22, 2003, 01:32 PM
Although I'd love to have a Me-262, my first choice would be a He-219 "Uhu" night fighter. Wonder what shipping and handling would cost? :D

Skunkabilly
July 22, 2003, 02:05 PM
A Stuka with the anti tank guns for added tacticality.

RustyHammer
July 22, 2003, 02:20 PM
By the end of WWII, Germany was down to nuts and bolts. Doubt there were many planes left intact. Still, an ME 111 would look awfully nice sitting in my hanger!

Rusty

Mike Irwin
July 22, 2003, 02:49 PM
Believe it or not, German aircraft production was at all-time highs at the end of WW II, and there were a ferocious number of air ready aircraft.

The problem?

A lack of fuel.

4v50 Gary
July 22, 2003, 02:53 PM
Not just a shortage of fuel but also of qualified pilots. A lot of the pilots being sent up by '45 were barely trained. Bodenplatte (secret dawn attack on Allied air bases as support for the Rundstedt Offensive) saw to that. The surviving Luftwaffe fighter pilots had to be good just to keep their tails from being shot off by a Mustang, Spitfire or Rooskie Yak or Mig.

PATH
July 23, 2003, 01:28 AM
Historically speaking this would be a major coup if true!

Giant
July 23, 2003, 01:55 AM
You gunny folk are just too greedy!


I have simple needs, a few bayonets, a luger or two and more gruel.

Schuey2002
July 23, 2003, 02:44 AM
To quote Gordon Gecko in the movie, Wall Street..
The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of it's forms - greed for life, for money, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind ...
:evil:

mete
July 23, 2003, 08:04 AM
"Capitalism harnesses human self interest, socialism exhausts itself trying to kill it " Linda Bowles

280PLUS
July 23, 2003, 09:49 AM
wait till you hear theres still some jap holdout on a remote island in the south pacific

well,,, there could be...

:neener:

oh, and no smoking at the airport either,,,

until further notice... :what:

:D

SodaPop
July 23, 2003, 11:00 AM
Do you think any of the pilots are still waiting for the runway to clear for take-off?:p

THE WAR'S OVER BUDDY!! BUT YOU'RE CLEAR TO BOMB FRANCE IF YOU WANT TO!!:D

ElToro
July 23, 2003, 12:29 PM
and the Dem's are busting Bush's nuts becuase he cant come up with WMD ? this is 60 years later and they're still finding stuff... Iraq is probly 2x as bid as Germany.. give me 10 years to hide a semi trailer sized item in a piece of land the size of california and i guarantee you wont find it for 60 years either!!! And this is under the middle of a major airport!!!

I'll take one of the flying delta wing bombers!

anybody see that History Channel episode about the aircraft these cats were making and designing at the end ? They were YEARS ahead of us...

Lictalon
July 23, 2003, 12:54 PM
Though it would be incredible if true, I really doubt it.

German aircraft production was higher in 1945 than it had been...but there was no fuel for them to get into the air with. I can't imagine that you would arm a fighter with bombs before it has fuel...

BUT...if there are planes down there...what a find! Fix them up and fly them stateside...I get the droolies everytime the B-24 and B-28 fly into town, and the one time I shelled out enough $$$ to take a ride is one of the best memories of my life.

Re: Bush and Iraq

Well said. I haven't given up the certainty of finding WMD...Americans just have no patience. We like to think that the GIs stopped dying in Europe on May 5, 1945...in point of fact, there was German resistance for quite some time.

I remember watching "Nuremburg"...yes, I know it was TV, but someone made a point about the sharp iron bar welded to the front of the jeep...it was for cutting any wires the Germans might have strung across the road to decapitate a GI. I'm inclined to believe it, even if it it Holleywood...

Kentucky Rifle
July 23, 2003, 02:18 PM
Chuck Yeager said that the FW 190 was easily on par with the Mustang. I reckon he ought to know. They sure are pretty.

KR

SodaPop
July 23, 2003, 03:51 PM
anybody see that History Channel episode about the aircraft these cats were making and designing at the end ? They were YEARS ahead of us...

I almost fell over when I saw the animation for some of the plane designs. If the Germans weren't such political idiots the first man to walk on the moon would have been German.

Stickjockey
July 23, 2003, 05:01 PM
(Sigh)-

Does sound an awful lot like the "Brand new army jeep, still in the crate: $500.00" story...:scrutiny:

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