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FLORIDA KEVIN
December 9, 2007, 11:47 AM
I remember reading an article some years ago about hunting of wild Ferel cattle somewhere in Texas i think ! Does anyone have any experience or information about this ? kevin

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CSA 357
December 9, 2007, 03:05 PM
I too read about this, but dont remember where they where but i do recall the wild cows being very mean and dangerous, maybe some one knows? csa

FLORIDA KEVIN
December 9, 2007, 04:41 PM
Thanks for the verification that my memory is still at least partailly functional ! I googled it and found some stuff about New Zealand but nothing solid about Texas , It seems that it was considered dangerous game hunting ,due to the size and aggresiveness of the quarry and the location was such that visibility was limited by thick cover ! Kevin

Double Naught Spy
December 9, 2007, 05:20 PM
They are only "mean and dangerous" because they are trying to stay alive. Unlike humans, they don't go out and hunt other animals. So the "mean and dangerous" title is a bit silly here.

Kimber1911_06238
December 9, 2007, 05:20 PM
they sound delicious

FLORIDA KEVIN
December 9, 2007, 05:32 PM
I was kinda thinking they would be delicious also ! What is silly is thinking that game has to want to eat you to be considered dangerous ! have you ever been in a field with a bull ? They can be very agressive and dangerous and have no intention of eating you ! maybe you think we should only hunt animals that are afraid of us ? I just happen to like steak ! and would rather hunt a 1000 lb bull bovine than a 150 lb deer! kevin

john1911
December 9, 2007, 06:46 PM
There was a video floating around somewhere about hunting wild cattle in Hawaii (I think it was Hawaii).

rero360
December 9, 2007, 06:52 PM
who says the wild cattle won't eat you, when my buddy's truck got hit with an IED in just south of Baghdad, a 155 round buried, the local that was standing on top of the round got splattered on my buddy's truck. When my friend regained conciseness he saw a cow walk over to a large piece of the local and started munching on his thigh. Man eating cows do exist.

Art Eatman
December 9, 2007, 10:44 PM
I read an article back in the late 1980s or early 1990s about feral cattle in the cane brake country along the lower Rio Grande down in the general vicinity of Laredo. That general part of the river, anyway. Sports Afield? Field & Stream? I don't remember.

They were reported to be hazardous to men on horseback, with one reported attack on a pickup truck.

Body weights of bulls around 2,000 pounds, which sounds about right. I'd guess cows generally go 800 to 1,100 or so.

Hunters reportedly use rifles suitable for the large African game.

Double Naught Spy
December 9, 2007, 10:45 PM
Man eating cows do exist.

Cattle, like many other animals, will scavenge. Squirrels are man-eaters as well, along with mice and rice. Goats will eat just about anything organic and even some non-organic stuff. However, they are not like the "man-eaters of Burma" kind of man-eaters. The man-eaters of Burma were tigers that would hunt you down and kill you, drag you off, then eat you. I can't think of any incidents of cattle hunting down people, killing, then eating them.

Chupacabra is not a wild cow.

joebogey
December 10, 2007, 12:13 AM
After they've killed you, gettin eaten is kind of a moot point.

And I have seen domestic cattle, not only bulls, but cows as well that will attack for no reason other than they perceive you as a threat for being in their territory.
Having been on the receiving end, which put me on the ground with the cow on top shinin her head on my belly button, I can tell you it ain't no pleasant experience and I was lucky to get away with no broken bones or worse.
I shore hope that witch is in somebody's freezer right now...:mad:

ashtxsniper
December 10, 2007, 12:17 AM
I have never seen this and I live in Texas.

daniel (australia)
December 10, 2007, 12:28 AM
Feral bulls ("scrub bulls") are hunted here in Oz, especially up north. They are often several generations from domestication and known for being tough and aggressive - often charging the hunter - and they can exceed a ton on the hoof.

A mate of mine who I know is an excellent shot nearly came to grief with his first one, which took seven heavy Woodleighs in various vitals from an 8x57JS before expiring mid-charge at about 5 yards distance when the eighth penetrated its forehead:eek:

My mate bought a .416 before his next scrub bull hunt:p.

It could have been worse though - check this out:

http://www.aushunt.com.au/main/articles/13efadac29.gif

They flew me to Cairns base hospital where I spent the next 23 days. Twelve of them were in intensive care and 8 of those I was unconscious. It was touch and go for quite a while as I nearly croaked it more than once.

The bulls horn had punctured my large and small intestine and stomach and just missed my liver by millimetres. I had really bad bruising on my lower ribs which turned into a hematoma and had to be operated on a couple days later. The bull also put a good hole in my inner thigh, just missing the femoral artery. As well there was a hole in the back of my shirt near the collar which would account for the bruise and scratch on the back of my neck. If either the femoral artery or the liver where hit I would have been a goner for shore. So I was pretty lucky really.

Some mates of mine went and found the bull and got the horns for me. He was right were I left him. They mightn't be the biggest set of bull’s horns but they will be one of my favorite trophies and take pride of place on the wall. One of the hardest trophies I have had to earn.

http://www.aushunt.com.au/main/mainarticle2.php?articleid=13efadac29

marksman13
December 10, 2007, 03:16 AM
When I was a teenager we always kept a couple dozen cows on our place. We had one mean old heifer that always seemed to have a calf with the same disposition. I shot her and her red bull calf dead one afternoon on my way to a deer stand. The calf was well over 600 lbs and charged me for about the 6th day in a row and didn't stop soon enough. After the calf ate a 150 grain 30-06 slug, mom decided she wanted some too. Dad was pissed, but we ate good for a while.

woodybrighton
December 10, 2007, 07:07 AM
in the falklands there were supposedly feral Argentinian fighting cows:uhoh: that were aggressive saw a few deadones and some from a chopper once

Titan6
December 10, 2007, 08:10 AM
Bulls don't have horns for nothing. Domestic cattle are normally docile but they have no reason to be otherwise.

Art Eatman
December 10, 2007, 10:42 AM
ashtxsniper, have you ever worked with range cattle? Or been down on the Rio on any of the really big ranches?

Some of the thickets along the river are true jungles. Big mesquite with a heckuva lot of underbrush. Salt cedar. Cane brakes. Prickly pear cactus and catclaw. Some of that stuff is so thick you couldn't scare a critter out with a helicopter. But what it means is that some critters escape roundup. Once they get used to hiding and go wild, they're no longer Ferdinand or Ol' Bossy.

A ton of hostile hamburger can make life exciting...

:), Art

Kimber1911_06238
December 10, 2007, 10:47 AM
I have no doubt about feral cattle being agressive. I used to milk dairy cows twice a day. The cows saw me every day, but that darn bull didn't like me moving his ladies around. He would charge me every single day, almost got me a few times. And he was totally domesticated, around people his whole life.

FLORIDA KEVIN
December 10, 2007, 11:08 AM
i am impressed tha this topic stirred as many memories as it did ! I t seems like a lot of people read the same article ,and thankful for the input from all the other sources too ! i think we have all seen the problems that can be caused when people domesticate animals and then let nature take over !My only remaining question is does anyone know if there is anyone actively guiding for this "big game" in Texas ? i might be interested in booking a hunt ! Kevin

Harve Curry
December 10, 2007, 04:30 PM
I've been chased by horned bulls and cows. Ain't fun when you are afoot, no trees, and only some scattered bushes to get behind while trying to get back to my truck.
In New Mexico anything over 1 year old and not branded, on public land belongs to the state, per the brand inspector.
I suppose you could shoot one in self defense but when you ate him that wouldn't be self defense:D

joebogey
December 10, 2007, 04:48 PM
I suppose you could shoot one in self defense but when you ate him that wouldn't be self defense

Maybe not, but it would shore give me a warm fuzzy feelin every time I sat down to the table. ;)

Vern Humphrey
December 10, 2007, 05:18 PM
You need to check your game regulations. In Arkansas, for example, if the law doesn't say you can kill it, then you can't kill it. Arkansas law was only recently changed to allow hunting feral hogs -- and there is a detailed set of rules about what a feral hog is.

If you kill a "wild" bull, you might find yourself facing felony charges -- since cattle in most states are assumed to be someone's property.

Art Eatman
December 10, 2007, 05:45 PM
Kevin, I've not thought about hunting the ferals, but you might Google for Texas hunting ranches, and focus on the border counties below Del Rio. Chambers of Commerce in some of those lower border towns might list some ranches with hunting; some might be along the river.

walking arsenal
December 10, 2007, 06:29 PM
Man eating cow?

Chupacowbra?

CSA 357
December 10, 2007, 07:53 PM
DN SPY i didnt write it i only read it, so you ready to go try them ? with a 22 lr?:D

H&Hhunter
December 10, 2007, 07:59 PM
They are only "mean and dangerous" because they are trying to stay alive. Unlike humans, they don't go out and hunt other animals. So the "mean and dangerous" title is a bit silly here.

Hey Double thanks for the information...

I can give you a whole list of dangerous animals who don't hunt other animals.

I've been around some feral cattle in rough country that are most definitely mean and dangerous.

Heck have you ever spent any time around a domestic Holstein dairy bull? Those spotted SOB's can be downright deadly at times.

ashtxsniper
December 10, 2007, 08:04 PM
I understand what you are saying Art I have been in that scrub brush before. I know of some places where you can hunt buffalo here but this thread makes it sound like it is on par with feral hog hunting. I have heard of people shooting wild cattle but I didnt think it was all that common.

FLORIDA KEVIN
December 10, 2007, 11:01 PM
i guess what got me thinking about it were two things ! 1st i remember reading about years ago and 2nd i dont see a lot of difference between hunting a "wild" cow or bull and hunting some of these exotics that are hunted on the big game farms ! i would think that wild cattle on someones property ,were the property of the land owner and if he wants to let you hunt them thats between you and him ! Are not the imported exotics considered livestock and not a game animal ! It may be that guiding for them is a pain in the rear and it is dangerous due to the thick cover and the size and aggressiveness of the cattle ! Kevin

Harve Curry
December 10, 2007, 11:37 PM
So what does it cost to go hunt feral cattle, or a mature bull?

Art Eatman
December 11, 2007, 12:11 AM
I doubt that there is any great quantity of feral cattle along the river. And, odds are, the ranchers would take a shot at any problem critter, any time they see one.

351 WINCHESTER
December 11, 2007, 12:27 AM
I used to hunt with my mentor. There was a story going around that he had shot a free ranging bull with his .351. Story goes that the bull charged him so he shot it in the forehead. The bullet must have glanced off cause the bull stopped his charge and just shook his head.

H&Hhunter
December 11, 2007, 04:27 AM
As far as hunting wild cattle goes. The Aussies have been doing it for years. they hunt feral water buffalo, scrub bulls and another more rare one that the name of eludes me at this moment.

There are people who hunt feral Spanish fighting bulls down by Monterey Mexico. I've read about it. My guess is that a feral fighting bull is probably one of the most dangerous animals on the planet. Considering that the fighting bull has been bread to attack man on sight!

redneck2
December 11, 2007, 07:49 AM
Heck have you ever spent any time around a domestic Holstein dairy bull? Those spotted SOB's can be downright deadly at times.
When I was a kid, our neighbor had a 2,000#+ Holstein bull that had this really interesting game. The door going from his stall inside the barn to the outside pen was native oak and had a hinge at the top. Weighed maybe 75-100#.

The bull would smack the door with his head. It would swing up, slam against the wall, then swing back down and smack him on the head. He'd get PO'd, hit the door harder, and it would hit him harder. The more he hit it (and it hit him) the madder he'd get.

daniel (australia)
December 11, 2007, 10:04 AM
As far as hunting wild cattle goes. The Aussies have been doing it for years. they hunt feral water buffalo, scrub bulls and another more rare one that the name of eludes me at this moment.


Banteng mate. AFAIK Oz has the only huntable population of these in the world, but even here they are pretty uncommon and live only in a fairly restricted range. Scrub bulls on the other hand are in pretty good numbers up north, and buff too.

All going well I'll be going to the Northern Territory in the coming dry season to hunt buff and scrubbers and maybe a few other species for a week. It'll make a bit of a change from the various deer, goats, pigs and so on closer to home.

H&Hhunter
December 11, 2007, 01:43 PM
Thanks daniel.

The banteng is a interesting looking critter. Good luck hunting up north.

CoRoMo
December 11, 2007, 01:44 PM
I can't think of any incidents of cattle hunting down people, killing, then eating them.

I know of one such story.
However, I can't bring myself to speak about it yet. It is just too soon.
:D:neener::D:neener:

Dave McCracken
December 11, 2007, 10:37 PM
Finn Aagard wrote of hunting ferals in The Big Thicket country.IIRC he used a 375 H&H he had from his African days.

Texas historian J Frank Dobie wrote of hunters tracking longhorns in the thick stuff and finding them harder to hunt than the local whitetails.

mbt2001
December 12, 2007, 11:24 AM
MY understanding is the most dangerous game in North America is Moose. They kill more folks than bears or cougars. I also understand that in Africa, 3 of the "Big 5" are herbivores...

Dangerous can be thought of by 1.) the disposition of the creature 2.) the size of the creature 3.) it's ability to absorb lead while you are firing in desperation.

Capstick writes several stories about how water buffs can ruin your day, permanently.

Joe Demko
December 12, 2007, 03:31 PM
I read an article back in the late 1980s or early 1990s about feral cattle in the cane brake country along the lower Rio Grande down in the general vicinity of Laredo. That general part of the river, anyway. Sports Afield? Field & Stream? I don't remember.

Yeah, they did do it during that time period in the Laredo area. I lived there at the time.
At the Cotulla BBQ restaurant there, the owners had all kinds of taxidermy heads up on the wall from various animals they had bagged. One of them was a bull head. I made a joke to one of my companions about cow hunting. He was a local and owned some property outside of town. He explained to me that it was the head from a wild bull and that they are pretty territorial and can be aggressive. I went out to his "ranch" with him a few times and saw some feral cattle. They didn't attack us or anything like that, but he said it was a good idea to keep an eye on them and be ready to bolt for the truck. Maybe he was funning me, I don't know.
I do know that Cotulla-style barbecue is some of the finest eating known to man and I'd give a lot for a big steaming plate of barbacoa, drunken beans, and flour tortillas. It doesn't matter whether from the Laredo restaurant or the original in Cotulla, the food was wonderful at both.

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