Why Would Anybody Want A .45ACP Revolver? Because It Is A Match Made In Heaven....


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cslinger
December 9, 2007, 05:16 PM
...That's why!!!

I have to say that I have always been perplexed by the use of auto pistol calibers in revolvers. It just seemed so cumbersome and wrong to me. Moonclips, tools, etc. Well I am here to say the benefits far outweigh the negatives in my opinion.

I recently picked up a Smith 625-3 pre lock .45 ACP revolver, because it was just calling to me. It was a beautiful piece and had a 3 inch barrel, which I have a weakness for in revolvers. So I figured what the hell, it would make a nice addition to the revolver collection and a nice casual shooter that will be looked at more then shot. :rolleyes:

Well let me just say I have found my new favorite gun. .45 ACP in this revolver configuration is a match made in heaven. Super accurate, awesome double action trigger, single action trigger that breaks like the proverbial glass rod, super fast reloads, this gun has it all. The moonclips are easy to load and very easy to unload with a $13.00 tool or $3.00 worth of copper pipe and a bit of Dremel work.

Even though this isn't my normal detailed review I just want to say this is a 5 star gun for me. When I thought about the moon clips I suddenly came to realization that for the cost of two(2) six round magazines for my SIG P245 I could buy fifty(50) Wilson Combat moon clips and demooning tool. That is 50!!!!! six round clips, that can be left loaded forever and load as fast if not faster then the afore mentioned magazines.

So at the end of the day boy was I wrong about .45 ACP revolvers. The match of one of my favorite calibers with one of my favorite platforms all with super fast reloads and inexpensive long term ammo storage makes for a damn near perfect firearm for me.

That is all. :D

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff5/ferris47/625-3PIC1.jpg

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pinkymingeo
December 9, 2007, 06:10 PM
45acp is wasted in semi's. It's about as versatile a cartridge as there is, in revolvers. You can go from the typical stuff all the way up to 250gr (and heavier) at 950fps. I'm gradually switching to auto-rim brass. It's more convenient, and I like the look of that stubbie case with the thick bottom. I have 3 acp revolvers, two alloy for CCW, and a 5" 625-2 for range and field. That -2 is the most accurate revolver I own. They're famous for it, and mine's no exception.

JBP
December 9, 2007, 06:32 PM
Ditto what pinkymingeo says. My favorite revolver round. I have a 625-3, two 25-2 (6 & 61/2 " barrels), and a 1937 Brazilian contract. Besides being super accurate those S&W N-frames can handle any 45 ACP load.

DMK
December 9, 2007, 08:36 PM
I have 3 acp revolvers, two alloy for CCW, and a 5" 625-2 for range and field. That's interesting. I've always had a 625 on my "next time I see one" wishlist, thinking that it could be better suited than .357mag as nightstand gun, car gun, etc. Never considered it could be a better field gun than .357 though.

pinkymingeo
December 9, 2007, 09:59 PM
A 3" 625 acp is next on my list of acquisitons. Great nightstand and car gun.

Tom C.
December 10, 2007, 02:51 PM
I have a 25-2 and a 625-8JM. I love both dearly. The .45 ACP and .45 AR are a lot of fun to play with. I prefer the wheelguns to the 1911. They can be loaded to utilize all the available strength in the S&W N frame, making, for me, the .45 Colt less than desirable in an N frame.

I also use the same .45 ACP and .45 AR ammo in my Ruger NMBH with a .45 ACP cylinder. That is a lot of fun, too.

jwxspoon
December 10, 2007, 02:57 PM
Love my 325PD!

jw

rcmodel
December 10, 2007, 02:58 PM
My Pre-Lock 625-6 Mountain Gun.
Need I say more!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/100_3888.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

BryanP
December 10, 2007, 03:05 PM
Damn you. I've been lusting after one of those forever and you just set me off again.

"No more guns until I put in wood floors. No more guns until I put in wood floors. Repeat the mantra."

Deer Hunter
December 10, 2007, 03:30 PM
My 625 has to be my favorite shooter. And with the red dot on top, it's easily the most accurate.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x91/Captain_Kennedy/DSC02376.jpg

Walkalong
December 10, 2007, 03:36 PM
If they made a 5 shot L frame I would be all over it. Sold my 5" 625. Nice gun, just did not float my boat. Sold to fund other stuff.

A 3" 625 would be interesting though.

mainmech48
December 10, 2007, 03:47 PM
I'm almost too fond of my 625-4. The only niggling drawback I can see is the dearth of ready-made holsters for the 5" bbl N-frames which, of course, only gets worse if you're a southpaw.

I reload a lot of .45 ACPs anyway, but it's really nice to be able to spend an afternoon at the range without having to waste a good deal of it scrounging through the grass 'n' gravel for my cases. I also like having the option to experiment with 'unusual' projectile shapes (like the amazing SAECO #453 WC) and take advantage of bulk deals on "cowboy" cast bullets, which enables me to shoot my revolver more without affecting my potential supply of 'semiauto' practice ammo.

Instead of messing with changing my SDB progressive over I use a Hornady Lock 'n' Load single stage for my experimental stuff. Not quite as handy or fast as a turret outfit, but much less hassle than a regular single stage. It also lets me use my old Lyman dies with the roll crimp again and play with .45 AR cases as I come by enough of them.

Best of all, I can load powderpuffs for my two young nephews to plink with or +Ps without having to factor-in how they'll function in a my semiautos.

mnw42
December 10, 2007, 04:09 PM
My 22-4 TRR is my night stand gun, except for when it is floating around under my car seat.

The real reason to by one: Why not?

cslinger
December 10, 2007, 04:37 PM
Damn you. I've been lusting after one of those forever and you just set me off again.

Ahh yes, Bryan, I am a bad, bad man. :evil:

Ok so really I am just a little kid who likes shiny new toys and has a VERY understanding wife.

pinkymingeo
December 10, 2007, 04:46 PM
Try the 325PD. Light as a steel J-frame but in the right holster tucks away completely. http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t312/6pakawupass/IMG_1020a.jpg

SeanSw
December 10, 2007, 05:17 PM
Pinkymingeo, that picture just answered questions I hadn't even thought of yet. Tell me about the ammo you're using. How is the recoil?

pinkymingeo
December 10, 2007, 05:41 PM
I've done a lot of experimenting, and load the gun for a combination of recoil and performance. Only fed primers. My usual carry load is 10.7 AA7 under a 200lswc, OAL 1.225, for 925fps. Way under the max published load, but easy to shoot (softer than factory hardball) and plenty for two-legged predators. The 250lwc's give 751fps over 11.8 AA9. Again, easy to shoot. With heavy bullets the AA9 gives much softer recoil than 7 or 5. I've switched from the 250lwc's to 250lwfn's because they chamber better. Same load, same results.

pinkymingeo
December 10, 2007, 06:24 PM
You'd be amazed, by the way, at how poorly factory ammo performs in the 2 3/4" 325. I've chrono'd three. Magtech 230 hardball at 707fps, Remington Cor-Lokt 230 at 767fps, and Federal Hydra-Shok 230's at 819fps. I'll take my handloads any day.

BlindJustice
December 10, 2007, 06:47 PM
Holster Options for the
S & W 625 5" Bbl. Len.

Alessi Field Master Shoulder rig.
It is done in a cordovan basket weave with the
big N-frame muzzle down, - it has an optional restraining
strap if you're traversing rough terrain. The off-carry
side is a solid leather not elastic it has options for spare
reloads a pouch or a spare mag if it for a 1911 as an
example. Not cheap though at $200

Milt Sparks make the #HSR or Hackathorn Special & the
#AW200. Ken Hackathorn was one of the founders of IPSC?
THe #HSR and #AW200 are available for most revolvers
up to 7.5 inch Bbl. Len. The #HSR is available with muzzle
forward, straight drop or Muzzle rearward aka FBI cant.
the #AW200 is not available with muzzle forward (for cross
draw ) but has a restraining flap over the hammer - Elmer
Keith asked for this because he kept tearing the liner
of his coats without it. Both are about the same with a belt
and the basket weave option of the Alessi in total cost.

Why do people have a probelm buying a good leather rig for a
quality firearm?

pinkymingeo
December 10, 2007, 08:07 PM
I didn't think there was anybody who didn't make holsters for 5" N-frames.

hotwheelz
December 10, 2007, 08:48 PM
.45 acp revolvers are my favorite, my Performance center v-comp is a dream to shoot I dont even shoot my .357 since I got it.

S&Wfan
December 10, 2007, 11:59 PM
Interesting handloads pinkymingeo!

I love a heavy, 300 gn., hardcast, flatnose "THUMPER" in my Model 29-5. It is amazing on deer, as well as being an amazingly accurate bullet!!!

I'll bet that 250 grain flatnose in a .45ACP would do some serious damage. Of course, it would probably penetrate like a son-of-a-gun.

Who makes those bullets, or do you cast your own? They look . . . emm . . . intriguing to say the least!

BTW . . . also as you mentioned, the Federal primers are THE way to go for reliable ignition on Smith wheelguns . . . especially those that have been "tweaked" for the best and lightest trigger pulls possible.

T.

def4pos8
December 11, 2007, 12:18 AM
My Model of 1988 625 is my favorite .45ACP firearm. It's much more versatile than my 1911 or P9S: light, target stuff always goes "bang!" and it swallows stuff, without complaint, that'd put the 1911's slide into my skull!:what:

Best of all, the round butt and finger-groove grips just feel RIGHT in my hands!:D

def4pos8
December 11, 2007, 12:19 AM
My Model of 1988 625 is my favorite .45ACP firearm. It's much more versatile than my 1911 or P9S: light, target stuff always goes "bang!" and it swallows stuff, without complaint, that'd put the 1911's slide into my skull!:what:

Best of all, the round butt and finger-groove grips just feel RIGHT in my hands!:D

--and no brass chasing!! I'm too old and slow to waste those precious minutes. . . .

Steve B.
December 11, 2007, 12:46 AM
I've had 2 S&W 45 ACP's. One a S&W M1917 and the other a M25-2. I love them. I remember as a kid, my uncle had a Colt 1917 that he shot all the time. The moon clips were the coolest thing. Still are!

pinkymingeo
December 11, 2007, 06:40 AM
For heavy bullets, try www.montanabulletworks.com .

mainmech48
December 11, 2007, 04:35 PM
Sure, virtually all of the custom makers offer some model for a 5" N-frame. I bought mine from Iron Oak, and it's great. Of course, it cost well over a hundred bucks and took 7 months to get.

But if you're looking for an in-stock, ready-made LH (or even RH) alternative made expressly to fit a 5" N-frame listed in any of the big retailers catalogs, lots of luck. I know that you can place a special order with most of the Big Name makers but in most cases it really won't cost much, if any, less than a nice basic full custom rig and usually takes nearly as long to get in my somewhat-limited experience.

All the observation meant to say was that while I see listings for reasonably priced basic rigs for 4" and 6-6 1/2" N-frames everywhere, something specifically for the 5" 625 is almost unknown, especially in LH. Perhaps it's just me, but carrying a fine revolver in some Cheesemaster generic nylon pouch or makeshift, oversized leather rig just feels wrong.

BlindJustice
December 11, 2007, 07:11 PM
My fav. wheelgun

S&W 625 5" Bbl. Len.
with Guy Hogue full size, checkered with
finger grooves in Rosewood monogrip.
S & W Perf. Center Master Revolver Action
Job - includes
* Trigger Stop
* Chamfer Charge Holes
* Polish Rebound spring, Hammer Stud Boss and
Yoke barrel bosses.
* Detail lockwork surfaces
* Stone Hammer and Trigger contact surfaces
* Test fire for function

I have the hardcast Leadhead 200 gr. SWC @ 1,025 FPS
The next batch will be toned down to 950 fps

I also have the Leadhead hardcast truncated cone, bevel
base 225 gr., Hornady 200 gr. truncated cone FMJ as
well as the Hornady 200 gr. XTP JHP to work up loads
for in .45 ACP & .45 Auto Rim.

Oh, I have some spendy .45 Auto RIm with the
Barnes XPB HP ( solid copper/zinc ) loaded to 945 FPS

HKS 25M Speedloaders for Auto Rim

Wilson Combat nickel plated full moon clips 25 or 30?

It's nice to load up a half dozen full moon clips and
place in a baggies for each type of load to be shot
at the range. Easy to keep the empties together in
the same baggies. The Speedloaders also work well
with the short AR/ACP length and always extract & clear
for the reload unlike my 686P and the long .357 Mag
cases.

I'm thinking of getting my 617 10 shot .22 w/6" Bbl.
shortened to have the same sight radius as the
N-frame and it would probably fit well enough in an
Alessi Shoulder rig with the restraining strap for a day
of plinking.

BlindJustice
December 11, 2007, 07:17 PM
This project is scheduled for January 2008

Marline 1894 20" Bbl. Len. in .45 Colt.

Conversion to .45 Auto Rim
Includes action & Trigger job, The .45 Cowboy
SPecial is the same length as the AR case. THe usual
conversion includes replacing the spoon or
carrier with a shorter one to transfer the loaded round
from the tubular mag. to the chamber It's lever stro
is decreased by about 3/4ths of inch in
each direction - a 'short stroker" lever gun.

The barrel will be shortened to 18.5 inches
chrowned and radius'd The extractor and chamber
needs adjustment for the thicker rim of the AR
brass.

Round Gun Shooter
December 11, 2007, 08:48 PM
I like my 2 USPSA revolvers.

Miculek 625 that I had a 6" barrel put on

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/Round_Gun_Shooter/625-6inch002.jpg

And my 25-2 I just put LPA sights and Weigand front on

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/Round_Gun_Shooter/25-2005.jpg

pinkymingeo
December 11, 2007, 09:29 PM
If you need a quality holster at a reasonable price and don't want to wait months, try Tom Dyer at www.saguarogunleather.com . Tom will make you a holster for most any revolver, and in my experience ships within a week.

jpwilly
December 12, 2007, 12:59 AM
.45 ACP is by far my favorite pistol round. But I don't have any revolvers in 45ACP I guess I need to change that! Those are some nice handguns!

earplug
December 12, 2007, 01:56 AM
I tossed 120 rounds down range this AM from my four inch 625. Its no longer JM cause I changed the stocks. I did miss the the target twice. I'm working on speed. 5-17 yards.
I like keeping my brass in a neat pile.

StrawHat
December 12, 2007, 09:30 PM
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/SW45ACP002Small.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/SWM25-2003Small.jpg

I've posted these two elsewhere.

The 4" is a reworked M28-2 and was my on/off duty gun for a while.

The lightest bullet I load is a 230 LRN, I also load a 285 LSWC, a 250 LSWC and a 240 LWC. Both guns shoot as accuratley as I can hold.

Looking for another one of the old ones, the new ones and the stainless ones don't do it for me.

bdg146
December 13, 2007, 02:52 PM
How does a .45 ACP revolver compare to a .357 when it comes to deer hunting? Should mention I don't reload and use factory ammunition.

1KPerDay
December 13, 2007, 03:00 PM
Does .45 ACP accuracy suffer when fired out of a .45 Colt chamber?

S&Wfan
December 13, 2007, 10:34 PM
How does a .45 ACP revolver compare to a .357 when it comes to deer hunting? Should mention I don't reload and use factory ammunition.

Hi,

When I deer hunt, it's mainly with a revolver topped with a 1st generation Holosight red dot sight.

My .45ACP and .357 revolvers stay at home, or I just use them as a woods gun when I'm working on stands and such in the off season.

Sure, either a .45ACP or .357 wheelgun WILL take deer (the .357 better when it's loaded really HOT with a 158 grain bullet . . . or a hot .45 Super round from a S&W N frame .45ACP wheelgun . . . or even just a really hot loaded .45 Auto Rim w/ good hollowpoint), but why not take the right tool for the job?!

For me, that means a 6" .44magnum, stoked with 300 gn. flat nose, hard-cast bullets loaded nice 'n HOT. I've lost count of the deer that this rig has dropped.

Lots of fond memories, including twice when I've dropped three almost as fast as I could stroke the trigger. Another is the 175 lb. piebald whitetail buck I took on Halloween day a couple of years ago:

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/246/246167/folders/183771/2078646Piebaldand29.b.JPG

Other great handgun cartridges for deer are .41 magnum, 10 mm, .45LC (loaded hot), .454, .460 and .500.

Naaaah, I don't like TRACKING deer, so I take a tool that will do the job best. Taking humane shots is also HUGE to me. I won't take a shot I don't know that I can make. Bottom line though, I want 'em to go RIGHT DOWN.

T.

Sistema1927
December 13, 2007, 11:05 PM
Does .45 ACP accuracy suffer when fired out of a .45 Colt chamber?
You can't shoot .45 ACP out of a .45 Colt chamber. You can get some revolvers, such as the Ruger Blackhawk convertibles, that have two different cylinders, but the rimless ACP round won't work in a rimmed .45 Colt revolver.

gcrookston
December 13, 2007, 11:27 PM
here's mine...

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9130/dsc00100ry3.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00100ry3.jpg)

Deer Hunter
December 13, 2007, 11:43 PM
The 625 can be used with .45 Super load as well.

macadore
December 14, 2007, 12:06 AM
Not to be a spoiler, but it seems to me that the 44 Magnum is a more practical round in an N frame. The 44 Special is similar to the 45 ACP, and you have the option of using the magnum round if you choose. Hand loaders have many more options.

S&Wfan
December 14, 2007, 12:33 AM
I hear ya!

If I were a mechanic who could only have one wrench, it would be an adjustable wrench to do several jobs "ok" but not perfect. However, no one wrench is perfect. So, I use FIXED wrenches for different tasks.

For four legged creatures mainly, a .44 mag. is wonderful. However, when popping in .44spl ammo the point of aim will be different. In some cases hugely different.

Thus, for the two-legged preditors I prefer a 230 grain in .45ACP

For the four legged type, make mine a Model 29 stoked with 300 grain Federal Cast Core.

Sort of a different "wrench" for different nuts!

Then, you can leave the sights alone and not have to burn a half box of ammo each time you want to switch loads.

Right now, if I want to roll milk jugs to show off at the bench with the .44 mag at 200 yards, I just aim 34" high and that 300 gn. bullet rainbows right into the milk jug. That doesn't happen with ANY load if you are always monkying with your sights to shoot various loads.

Confidence and bullet placement comes from having repeatable results when needed.

One gun . . . one load . . . one purpose. Just take the right one with you when you go do the job.


T.

bdg146
December 14, 2007, 02:43 AM
Another is the 175 lb. piebald whitetail buck I took on Halloween day a couple of years ago

Not to derail the thread... but I wouldn't mind seeing a few more pictures of that...

Thanks for the tip. I have a .45 ACP semi-auto, which I wouldn't think of hunting deer with (it's illegal in my state anyway), so I was just curious how the round would do out of a revolver since, after reading this thread, it's apparent to me that the round performs much better. I want to eventually get into hunting deer with a handgun. It seems I'll have to make another purchase for that.

IMtheNRA
December 14, 2007, 03:11 AM
You guys are killing me...

Does the JM version come with a lighter spring or standard-weight SW springs?

Dr.Who
December 14, 2007, 03:31 AM
I have a shoot a 625 v-comp in IDPA..... Love it. Also have a Smith model 1917 that is 95% and a dream to shoot... My next one will be the 325 thunder ranch special..... Can't wait!!!!

S&Wfan
December 14, 2007, 02:29 PM
Here's a shot of the piebald. It was a normally formed deer (some piebalds are not), but is sure was beautiful.

Not much of a rack though, but probably the only one I'll ever take.

I wish I'd caped it out now and mounted the head though. I love the beautiful markings on his head and body.

I was hunting in a real thick bottom when this fella came by in a real hurry. Luckily his shoulder presented itself in about an 8in. circle that I could get a once-only shot into!

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/282194/2258110piebald2.JPG

T.

1KPerDay
December 14, 2007, 05:32 PM
You can't shoot .45 ACP out of a .45 Colt chamber.
See pics in this thread.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=281653

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