Illinois: Cook County Board Poised to Shut Down Cabela's Superstore


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GoRon
December 10, 2007, 10:20 AM
CHICAGO, Dec. 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA):

Just weeks after its gala grand opening, the Cabela's superstore in Hoffman Estates, IL is facing closure by the Cook County (IL) Board. This impending action stems from a pair of proposed county ordinances prohibiting the retail sale of firearms at a location 15 miles or less from any other federally licensed firearm dealer. The proposals further prohibit retail sale of firearms within one mile of any school, church, place of worship, nursing home, homeless shelter, public housing, or military installation. With respect to these restrictions, Cabela's Hoffman Estates store loses on all counts - as does every other federally-licensed gun dealer in Cook County.

"This proposal is an election year stunt instigated by Cook County Commissioner, Larry Suffredin," said ISRA Executive Director, Richard Pearson. "Although this is something that we'd expect to see from a gun-control extremist like Suffredin, I'm surprised to see astute politicians like Commissioners Claypool, Quigley, and Murphy signing on as co-sponsors to this farce."

"Cabela's Hoffman Estates store employs hundreds of Cook County residents and brings in millions of sales tax dollars for the County," continued Pearson. "If Cabela's cannot sell firearms, then there is no Cabela's. If there is no Cabela's, then those retail dollars flee to DuPage, Kane or Will counties. The cash-strapped Cook County treasury really can't afford such a huge hit just because Larry Suffredin doesn't like people who own guns."

"From a practical standpoint, Suffredin's proposal is a non-starter," commented Pearson. "It bears repeating that the Chicago Police Department has determined that 88% of murderers have previous criminal records as do 76% of murder victims. Federally-licensed firearm dealers are not the problem - career criminals are."

"Furthermore", continued Pearson. "When was the last known case where someone walks out the door of a gun shop, in the door of a nursing home, and then proceeds to shoot the place up? The same Chicago Police Department report lists alleyways as being popular places to get murdered. Why then, did Suffredin not specify that no gun shop could be within one mile of an alley? The reason is simple - shock value. Suffredin prefers to play on the plight of our most vulnerable citizens in order to advance his quixotic campaign to disarm hunters and sportsmen. Commonsense is not part of the Suffredin lexicon."

"One insidious side-effect of the Suffredin proposal is that it deeply erodes the home-rule authority of many of the larger communities in Cook County," noted Pearson.

"The Suffredin proposal is expensive, ineffective, divisive and impractical," said Pearson. "I hope that Board President Stroger has the wisdom to immediately reject Suffredin's showboating."

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stevemis
December 10, 2007, 10:33 AM
Wow, you can't just make stuff like this up.

shotout
December 10, 2007, 10:35 AM
Why do the voters of Illinois put up with this?

Kimber1911_06238
December 10, 2007, 10:40 AM
Wow, I'm shocked. Illinois has so many deer hunters...how could that happen? Talk about lots of regs for gun shops.....distance requirements?

Illinois residents, is this Cabela's in an urban area? I can't see it getting closed down in a rural area full of hunters.

Canuck-IL
December 10, 2007, 10:44 AM
It's in a commercial/industrial park area, no nearby residences, fairly close to a major highway intersection...almost but not quite out of of Cook County.

After the protracted negotiations it required to get them to locate there (big tax dollars for the community), I suspect that the city of Hoffman Estates will defend their home rule prerogatives rather than succumb to the dictates of Urkel and the Cook County crazies.
/Bryan

Len S
December 10, 2007, 10:45 AM
They put up with it because some are not too bright. A guy who lives down the block voted for Blaggo the Gov because he liked open road toll roads. When I asked him about the govs stance on guns he said they cant really take them away can they? Now this guy hunts with me and owns a whole bunch of handguns. I try to educte but you cannot tell someone something they do not want to hear. As far as cook county goes.A couple of questions. Who really benifits from gun control? Who really benifits when a whole county becomes a victim disarmament zone? Gotta wonder whose side the politicians are on. They are making a very safe working enviorment for the bad guys.


Len

Old Fuff
December 10, 2007, 10:47 AM
The Old Fuff has no objection. He avoids Cook County/Chicago at all costs. If this should go through a number of big-box stores might move, and/or not set up shop in Cook County. The business and tax revenue should go to other nearby counties with more common sense. Let this bunch of anti-gun dingbats go shoot themselves in the foot.

Im283
December 10, 2007, 10:52 AM
Illinois has so many deer hunters...how could that happen?

Guns aren't about hunting, no matter which side of the fence you are on.

Kimber1911_06238
December 10, 2007, 10:55 AM
I realize that, I was just saying that hunting is very popular. Firearms hunters need firearms to hunt with.

PirateRadio
December 10, 2007, 10:57 AM
Wow, thats total crap.

Lucky for me, the Cabela's in Hammond, IN is closer to me than Hoffman Estates. :)

stevereno1
December 10, 2007, 11:03 AM
I'm from Chicago, and I can tell you that the state of Illinois is the same as new york in that there is a giant, liberal city sitting in an otherwise conservative state. Mayor Daily, and the rest of the Cook County politicians are Gestapo like in their hatred of gun owners, not only making it illegal to own a gun, but Making it a FELONY!

cherryriver
December 10, 2007, 10:02 PM
Indeed, Hoffman Estates had to effectively repeal their previously-existing "assault weapons" ban in order to issue the building permits for the Cabela's store. Cabela's, bless their hearts, refused to bend on selling guns at the new store. Hoffman was greedy enough to bend for a couple of million dollars a year, and besides, the area is under redevelopment.
It's part of the none-too-successful Sears "Prairie Stone" development, with a huge show theater, the "Sears Centre", on the gigantic site of the old Sears, Roebuck relocation.
Commissioner Larry Sufredin is the same one who, a year ago, popped in an amendment to the Cook County anti-gun ordinance that pretty much banned all eleven-plus magazines and lots of semi-auto rifles.
Since the amendment was pushed through possibly outside of legal notice requirements, the Illinois State Rifle Association was planning a class-action suit. I haven't heard much about it, but then, there hasn't been much in the way of news about all of the people in the county who've been arrested for possessing M1As.
It's hard to see how this could play out. Suffredin's (and the Daleys'; there's more than one running things here) plan was to force out every gunshop and especially, the famous Chuck's in Riverdale, IL, where the antigunners met with a PR defeat earlier this year. Daley's obsessed with Chuck's and will stop at nothing to close it down.
The Daleys have been pushing other, similar approaches to total gun bans, and the one tack that shows some signs of life is the dealer licensing thing. They want to add a layer of state licensing on top of the federal licensing of dealers, and make it difficult in the extreme to get a state license.
Then, they want to make every firearm transfer, meaning intrastate, go through a licensed dealer. Tricky, eh?
To folks not familiar with Illinois, wondering how such things happen: Cook contains about a quarter of the state's population.
Like how things are changing in the Vermont-New Hampshire region, with city folks moving in and unbalancing the political slant from traditional to urban-nanny state, so it's going the Chicago metro area. The "collar" counties are swinging left owing to all of the urbanites flooding out from the inner ring.
This is a big chunk of the electorate, now, and things are tipping further left by the month.
Usually, I'd forecast the politics would win out, but when there's money involved, in seven figures or more, there's no telling where the pols will go.

Blackbeard
December 10, 2007, 10:42 PM
Why do the voters of Illinois put up with this?

Since when do Illinois voters matter? It's the vote counters that decide who wins.

fedlaw
December 10, 2007, 11:43 PM
Don't forget to put that "r" in C_ook County.

Javelin
December 10, 2007, 11:50 PM
If you read this you will literally throw up a little in your mouth.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/ptfire.pdf

HankB
December 10, 2007, 11:51 PM
I grew up in Chicago, and were I to express my true feelings about the political machine and the demographic of its supporters . . . it wouldn't be a very "High Road" thing at all.

I've got relatives in that area yet, and though I really like most of them, they still tend to vote Democrat. :( (Not that the GOP has been exactly wonderful of late.)

The public schools there have been doing their job of indoctrination and "dumbing down" of the populace all too well, and the results are beginning to show. :(

XnaV80
December 11, 2007, 01:23 AM
It's sad that this is no surprize to me. I'm from Peoria and we got a Gander Mtn a few years back, and it's booming. Dick's sporting goods and Dunham's sports both still sell firearms, although walmart pulled their long guns. Chicago is a mess, plain and simple. I hear Gov. Blago even was rated our worse gov. in history. And that's saying something since our last two ended up in prison. As far as Illinois being full of hunters, well that's true, although it's illegal to hunt anything game w/ a centerfire, except for coyotes. Hunting is mostly Bow for deer, and waterfowl. The pheasant, quail, and rabbit are on a decline because conservation sucks in Illionois. So much for the tree hugging dems caring more for the environment than the Conservatives. I wish we'd get something going to recall him like CA did w/ Grey Davis. How about Bill Brady?! Blago forgets that the state capitol is in Springfield, NOT *****cago! BUCK Flagojevich! But ya, Cabelas should pull steaks and head south, or maybe quad cities.

Eightball
December 11, 2007, 02:15 AM
But ya, Cabelas should pull steaks and head south, or maybe quad cities.I don't think it's that easy if they just sunk millions of dollars into a brand-spankin' new store. My bet is that they will be the 400lb. gorilla in the room, and my bet is that said gorilla is pissed.

damyankee
December 11, 2007, 02:20 AM
I live in Dupage county ...

"and I can tell you that the state of Illinois is the same as new york in that there is a giant, liberal city sitting in an otherwise conservative state. Mayor Daily, and the rest of the Cook County politicians are Gestapo like in their hatred of gun owners, not only making it illegal to own a gun, but Making it a FELONY!"

+1 Quoted for truth!!!!!

Thank god I can still own a middy with high cap errr, STANDARD cap mag/s

Robert Hairless
December 11, 2007, 02:42 AM
I don't think it's that easy if they just sunk millions of dollars into a brand-spankin' new store. My bet is that they will be the 400lb. gorilla in the room, and my bet is that said gorilla is pissed.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you're right. I doubt that Cabela's can afford to say "Oh well, them's the breaks," pack its stuff, and ride off into the sunset. Among the factors against that departure are contractual issues involving Cabela's and the property owner and Cabela's and the city, including any incentives from the city to Cabela's.

I don't know if Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution would come into play here but it would be great fun if it did:

Section 10. No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

Cabela's, by the way, is a corporation with shares that are publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange (symbol is "CAB"). It therefore has duties to its shareholders that should require them to defend against Cook County's arbitrary action. To give some idea of the kind of money at stake, Cabela's 2006 Annual Report (p. 50) (http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/17/177/177739/items/238445/2006%20Annual%20Report.pdf) said that "opening a single destination retail store may require expenditures of $30 million to $50 million."

AZ Husker
December 11, 2007, 03:06 AM
Thank God the politicians like you have are sequestered in a few populated areas! The rest of the "Land of the Free" are able to take care of ourselves. Anyone want to guess why Washington, Chicago, Detroit, and LA consistently have the highest violent handgun crimes?

SpeedAKL
December 11, 2007, 05:12 PM
What a disgusting state of affairs. Remind me not to take a job in Chicago when I graduate.

zxcvbob
December 11, 2007, 05:35 PM
Robert H. beat me to it; this sounds like an ex post facto law.

GoRon
December 12, 2007, 05:39 PM
Another ISRA alert about Cook County and their attempt to outlaw all guns.

ISRA Action Alert:
TOTAL COOK COUNTY GUN BAN CLEARS FIRST HURDLE

Rabid gun-grabbers on the Cook County Board came one step closer last week to instituting a total ban on firearm ownership in the county except for police and military personnel.

Introduced by Commissioner William Beavers, the so-called Safe Streets/Weapons Registration Ordinance appears on the surface to be some sort of gun registration scheme. However, closer examination reveals that the only people who could comply with the registration requirements would be Chicago residents who had previously registered their guns with the city. Everyone else in Cook County would have to turn in their guns to the police. The ordinance would certainly ban all handguns as the ordinance disallows registration of handguns that do not have a chamber load indicator. Few, if any, handguns could comply with this requirement, so they would have to be surrendered to the police.

The full text of Beavers proposed ordinance may be found here. To learn more about William Beavers, click this link: http://www.co.cook.il.us/district04.htm .

William Beavers is an enemy to our Constitution and an enemy to all freedom-loving people of the United States. Call him at (312) 603-2065 and also call his other office at (773) 731-1515 and tell them exactly what you think of Beavers and his plan to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Another gun-hater on the Cook County Board is Larry Suffredin. Suffredin has fielded a proposed ordinance that would shut down all gun shops in the county. You may read about that ordinance by clicking here.

Larry Suffredin is an enemy to our Constitution and an enemy to all freedom-loving people of the United States. For full information on Larry Suffredin, click this link: http://www.co.cook.il.us/district13.htm . Call Suffredin at 847-864-1209 and 312-603-6383 and tell them exactly what you think of Larry Suffredin�s plan to punish law-abiding gun owners.

Even if you don't live in Cook County, or even if you don't live in Illinois for that matter, call anyway. Freedom is at stake here.

Jim K
December 12, 2007, 05:44 PM
A "non-starter"? When the Mafia wants something, it is never a non-starter.

Jim

AirplaneDoc
December 22, 2007, 11:28 PM
I would think that Cabelas lawyers would be smart enough to put a stipulation in the peoperty lease to break it, penalty free if should Cook county do something else stupid. I am amazed that they got suckered into cook County anyway, when they could move just down the road and be someplace more gun frinedly

S4Lee
December 23, 2007, 12:11 AM
Heh... I posted a Cabela's press release from 2004 a week or two ago about how they were supposed to be opening a Super Store here in NJ at the new mega-sports/entertainment complex Xanadu on the site of the Meadowlands Sports Complex, incl. a Firearms Museum and shooting gallery (range?). It's a pretty high-profile location. Can't wait to see what hits the fan here if this is going on in IL.

Airman193SOS
December 23, 2007, 03:47 AM
Holy Mary, Mother of God! That link of Javelin's above was surreal. If that's what it takes simply to transport a weapon in Illinois, I can't even begin to fathom owning one there. Here in Pennsylvania I get my CCW permit and that's the end of it. I don't even need permission to buy one, just pass the check and it's mine.

God love you guys in Illinois. I don't know how you do it. Move to Pennsylvania and bring your tax dollars with you. You'll love it, the government will love it, and you'll actually have some freedom to exercise your rights, which still exist here.

Autolycus
December 23, 2007, 05:49 AM
It is hell living in Illinois.

NGIB
December 23, 2007, 06:17 AM
I'll borrow a line I saw in another thread: "Vote with your feet".

Truly amazing how bad it is in some places, glad I live in the South...

plexreticle
December 23, 2007, 07:49 AM
My guess is Cabelas pissed off or didn't pay off the right people.

AirplaneDoc
December 23, 2007, 11:17 AM
Cabelas needs to find some dead people to vote for them too, Just like the daley's

TLN
December 24, 2007, 03:14 PM
Cook County citizens must take a stand. Outside letters or support will be whitewashed by County Politicians as outside activist and not what “our people want.” The strategy is to divide and conquer. The anti-rights and control groups can never get this passed on a national level.

Every gun owner or supporter of the constitution must write a letter or postcard to their county representative. Blogs don't count other than to encourage people to write!

Basically gun owners are lazy. They don’t write, they find excuses not to get involved. We are the majority, we just don’t say anything. We must make it easy for gun owners and patriots to make their voices heard. Someone in the county needs to print address labels and distribute them in pro gun establishments. Someone draft a letter where the writer can add a personal paragraph so the letter is not dismissed.

Sporting stores and firearm stores like Cabela’s must have a petition for clients to sign. Where is the local chapter of the NRA? Get them to help organize these essential tasks or loose your rights. Demand that the NRA show support and leadership.

Keep the name calling and emotions out of the letters. No threats or outlandish claims ("pry it out of my cold dead hands"). There are enough facts to support our position. Emphasize the consitution; give quotes from the founding fathers and Madison's first draft that clearly show that it was protection against a tyrannical government that the second amendment was added. Best yet, show the majority of the people do not want this gun control.

The hardest thing to do is get people to attend public meetings. Present the facts. No name calling against the anti gun groups. Ask to see the facts that show this type of legislation has ever worked. Council meetings rarely go against the majority of people in the meetings. Demand the right to be heard.

The majority of us are sheep. We need and want leaders and organizers. ARE you one?

CleverNickname
December 24, 2007, 03:35 PM
Robert H. beat me to it; this sounds like an ex post facto law
It's not.

308win
December 24, 2007, 04:42 PM
Why don't the gun owners in Cook County get together and initiate a recall petition. You might get enought signatures to get it on the ballot and this Suffredin guy would have to spend time and money defeating the recall petition. Use the political process ( not stunts)against these people. The worst that can happen is the antigunners will jump to the defense of one of their own. Who knows, you might get him voted out and the next guy will think twice.

308win
December 24, 2007, 04:53 PM
Mayor Daily(sic), and the rest of the Cook County politicians are Gestapo like in their hatred of gun owners

I doubt if they hate us but they do use us as they know it isn't costing them anything - votes, campaign donations, political volunteers, etc. - they know they aren't going to get our votes anyway. Someway, we need to be smart enough to turn this around on them - use the political process against them.

Know your enemy, find the weakness - everyone has them - and exploit it to our advantage.

scout26
December 24, 2007, 05:48 PM
Where is the local chapter of the NRA? Get them to help organize these essential tasks or loose your rights.

The Illinois State Rifle Association sent me the e-mail alert with the info on this. I guess you could call them the "local chapter" of the NRA. And they are "out in front" on this issue. But it takes individuals to call, write letters and go to County Board meetings in a "Show of Force".

They have asked that EVERYONE call Sufferdin and Beavers, even if you don't live in Cook County. "Hi, my name is XXXX, my family and I were planning on coming to Chicago to visit, but if you're going to close down the Cabela's in Hoffman Estates, we'll go to ____(Insert Gun Friendly State/Place with a Cabela's)_____, instead. If you want our tourist dollars in the future, change you're stance on harrassing law-abiding gun-owners. (Or use you're own words.)

Or: "Hi, my name is XXXX, I live in ____(Name of Collar County)____ and spend a lot money in Cook County. If these ordinances pass, I will no longer do any shopping in Cook County and ensure that my sales tax nor any other of my dollars go to support gun control."

I live in DuPage but have called and written letters to both Sufferdin and Beavers voicing my opposition. I'll be calling and sending letters to the other members of Cook County Boards after the Holiday.

If the staffers of the board members can't get anything done other then answering phonecalls from polite gunowners voicing their displeasure, that will kill these proposals.

bl4ckd0g
December 24, 2007, 06:24 PM
I smell extortion here. I seriously doubt that we're hearing the whole story between the village of Hoffman Estates and Cabela's legal counsel. I spent a couple years living in Schaumburg (backyard of Harper College) and it seemed that many of the surrounding villages were envious of Schaumburg's tax revenue from the Woodfield area.

This may be such an attempt.

Seems rather silly here since the new store is only a [B]mile or two[B] from the Kane county line where GAT and R Guns can operate freely.

cherryriver
December 24, 2007, 07:37 PM
Please-
Cabela's gun section is of only microscopic import here. Cabela's could shutter it tonight forever and it would make little business difference to them. Not that it would be good, or that they would want to, but it wouldn't kill them.
The Village of Hoffman Estates already bent over pretty far to get Cabela's in. But they have absolutely no impact on the Cook County Board. None. They could call Daley all they want- he wouldn't even know who they were or what they were talking about.
But as much as I agree that activism might slow down the train a little, please keep in mind, that if Daley put it to a referendum within the County of Cook, to ban the private possession of firearms, it would very likely pass.
Certainly, if such a vote were held in Chicago, it might not even be close.
And even if it was, don't lose track of who owns, maintains, and operates the voting machines.
Meanwhile, yes, I'm doing calls and faxes. But all we can hope to do is slow it up a bit.

scout26
December 24, 2007, 08:07 PM
a referendum within the County of Cook, to ban the private possession of firearms

Don't need a referendum, as that's what Beaver's proposed ordinance does. Sufferdin's proposed ordinance closes all the gun shops.

I agree that activism might slow down the train a little
And a whole bunch of activism will derail the train.

Robert Hairless
December 24, 2007, 08:22 PM
Please-
Cabela's gun section is of only microscopic import here. Cabela's could shutter it tonight forever and it would make little business difference to them. Not that it would be good, or that they would want to, but it wouldn't kill them.
The Village of Hoffman Estates already bent over pretty far to get Cabela's in. But they have absolutely no impact on the Cook County Board. None. They could call Daley all they want- he wouldn't even know who they were or what they were talking about.
But as much as I agree that activism might slow down the train a little, please keep in mind, that if Daley put it to a referendum within the County of Cook, to ban the private possession of firearms, it would very likely pass.
Certainly, if such a vote were held in Chicago, it might not even be close.
And even if it was, don't lose track of who owns, maintains, and operates the voting machines.
Meanwhile, yes, I'm doing calls and faxes. But all we can hope to do is slow it up a bit.

There's no reason to waste time, effort, or money protesting if the best hope is to slow it up a bit. Doesn't matter enough anyway. Anyone who doesn't like it should move.

ArfinGreebly
December 25, 2007, 02:48 AM
I have recently lived in Carson City, Nevada, where Wal*Mart encountered a glitch in their lease.

They had a "regular" Wal*Mart in a shopping center along with a big name grocery retailer, whose lease contract stipulated that no other grocery store would be permitted to lease property in the same shopping center.

Wal*Mart decided they wanted to convert their "regular" store to a Super Store -- which includes a grocery section -- and the other big name store invoked the "no other grocer" clause. They managed to veto the Super Store.

Wal*Mart pulled out of the shopping center altogether and moved a couple of miles down the road -- and over the county line -- and built their new facility there.

All the revenue -- a whole lot of revenue, as it happens -- now went to Douglas County instead of Carson City. It took Carson City years to get another Wal*Mart in town (last year finally).

I don't know if Cabelas has the kind of financial depth that Wal*Mart has to up stakes and move their store, possibly leasing their old facility to some other venture.

I do know that Carson City fathers certainly caught a lot of flak for letting the Wal*Mart thing happen.

There's just nothing quite like hitting a local government in the wallet.

scout26
December 25, 2007, 01:30 PM
Arfin,

Cabela's opened their store in Hoffman Estates within the last six months (Actually I think it's been closer to three months).

Hoffman Estates kinda bent over backwards to get Cabela's to build there. (They even overturned a "No selling of guns allowed in our town", ordinance, much to the consternation of Mayor Daley, to lure Cabela's, along with the usual tax incentives.)

And Cabela's dropped somewhere between $30-$50 million to build there. Kinda hard to just walk away from that kinda of investment. I'm pretty sure that it costs Wal-mart quite a bit less to build and open one of their stores, not to mention Wal-mart has much deeper pockets and it easier/cheaper to convert a former Wal-mart into another retailer, then a Cabela's (with a giant fish tank/pond, etc.) into something else.

But it's not just Cabela's, also little shops like Chuck's in Riverdale that would be closed down. Think they have the resources to pack up and move ??? Probably not, and this ordinance does not provide any relief to those shops, so it is designed to not just "move" the shops out Cook County but to also, financially cripple them. (Yes, shocking that politicians would do that to legal, legitimate, law-abiding, businesses.)

It's not Cabela's that's the real target of this ordinance, but the small shops. In fact I could see a "Stores larger then x thousand square feet are exempt......for now." amendment. I hope that Cabela's, the ISRA and the people don't buy into it.

Schutzen
December 25, 2007, 08:52 PM
I don't think the question is if Cabela's can afford to drop 30-50 million dollars by walking away from a new store. I believe the question is can the State of Illinois and Cook County afford to drop 50-100 million to repay Cabela's store start-up costs and the cost of the resulting lawsuits from state & local government enticing Cabela's to the location and then changing the laws making their business "illegal". I'm not sure how it would work out, but I think Cabela's could make it a very interesting lawsuit.

Autolycus
December 25, 2007, 08:52 PM
I definately agree with Scout26. It is the smaller shops that are the real target. Cabelas will not be in that bad of a situation if they are not allowed to sell firearms. However it will close some shops such as Chucks. We should not pretend that this is about Cabelas at all. It really is to close down gun shops in Cook County.

never_retreat
December 26, 2007, 10:53 PM
Not that I wish this upon cabelas. But at least there is someone with some money to fight trash like this. Because you know they wont let this go without a fight. They have to much money to loose also. This at least gives the little guys an edge also, there the ones that cant afford to fight stuff like this.
IMO this has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. And I'm from NJ the kings of stupid useless laws.

jaholder1971
January 2, 2008, 11:45 PM
Cabela's should have known that they were going to have to fight the devil on his own ground opening a store so close to Chicago.

Knowing what kind of history this areas has with gunowners and sportsmen in general, along with firearm manufacturers moving OUT of Illinois, why Cabela's would drop 8 figures here I cannot understand.

Autolycus
January 3, 2008, 12:30 AM
Hopefully Cabelas will become a new ally for gunowners in Illinois.

bogie
January 3, 2008, 12:48 AM
Cabela's should have known that they were going to have to fight the devil on his own ground opening a store so close to Chicago.

Something tells me that a member of their senior management had a *** kinda day, and decided that the target was gonna be Chicago... Works for me.

If they get forced out, sue. If they get forced, out, trumpet the employment stuff. They'll get the money back in publicity.

It's win/win for Cabela's. And for us. Now can WE act upon it?

Amagi
January 3, 2008, 03:57 AM
Other counties in my state, such as Pike county, have declared that they will not recognize laws limiting RKBA rights.

I get the feeling that the noose of common sense is slowly but surely tightening around Cook county. We will soon be an island of insanity in a sea of logic and understanding of our forefather's intentions.

NG VI
January 3, 2008, 02:10 PM
pike county's civic leadership is a batch of little heroes, at least to me. they must have forty-pound balls of titanium to stand up to Daley and blagojevich, at least from what i've read so far. i hope amagi turns out completely right.

someone update soon

BigEric
January 12, 2008, 01:59 AM
I visited the store over Christmas for some shopping and support and had a very interesting talk with one of the older gentlemen who work in the gun section. He stated that Hoffman Estates has told the Cook County Board to "piss off".
The store has been built in a new development section that has gone through a lot of development, but little traffic. The Cabela's injection was needed very badly and H.E. can not loose them.
Daley and Urkel (County Pres. Stroger for those of you blessed with not living around here), from what I understand, are not very happy.

The voices of reason throughout Cook County have been silenced for so long that most just look at you and ask "but why do you need a gun away?" or the comment I had this morning, "why do I care about that" from a friend who lives in the city.

Our democratic governor is a crook. So many prosecutors are waiting in the wing building up their cases against him. The GOP is in shambles and loosing ground rapidly. The only glimmer of hope was in the last election when the libertarian party captured 10%, meaning matching funds for the next go around.

Well, we did give the country Obama...I guess that is something, isn't it?

Go Ron Paul!

novaDAK
January 12, 2008, 02:31 AM
From that link that was posted:If I fail to zip up the case entirely, will I be guilty of a felony?

No, as long as the firearm is unloaded, and none of the aggravating factors of the Unlawful Use of Weapons
(UUW) law are present. The way to avoid this situation is to make sure firearm cases are completely zipped or
otherwise completely fastened shut.
Wow...you shouldn't even HAVE to ask this.

fedlaw
January 14, 2008, 11:18 PM
I was at the Cabela's yesterday. The store was very crowded. It was a pleasure to see lots of regular folks in the gun section, including many families. I signed their petition. Hope it helps.

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